Wirebender,

I donıt know what has happened to the Florida Bamboo Chapter. Iım still a
member, but I havenıt, and I donıt anyone else who has, gotten any
publications or information from FCCABS in years. Iım still a member
because it will look good on my resume when I apply for an overseerer
position on one of the bamboo plantations in South Florida. :-)

This group (Bamboo Plantations) is a little bit over my head, but I learn a
lot and throw in my 2 cents every now and then when I think I can add
something.

I find my best place for my the knowledge and experience I have is at
Bambooweb.info. There are a little over 700 members on the list and they
range from novice to near bamboo expert.

http://bambooweb.info/bb/index.php


------------------

Roy Rogers (Tampa, Florida, USA)



From: "Wire Bender" <wirebender@...>
Reply-To: bamboo-plantations@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 06:55:13 -0500
To: <bamboo-plantations@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [bamboo-plantations] Re: 100% Oldhamii or Vulgaris




Roy, I seem to have lost touch with you and the rest of my Florida Bamboo
buddies.

What list do you guys hang out at?

-----Original Message-----
From: bamboo-plantations@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:bamboo-plantations%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:bamboo-plantations@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:bamboo-plantations%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Roy Rogers
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 9:27 AM
To: bamboo-plantations@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: Re: [bamboo-plantations] Re: 100% Oldhamii or Vulgaris

AA,

I’ve been propagating B. oldhamii by culm cuttings for about 25 years and
the success ratio has always been in the less than 15 percent category,
expect for one year. About 15 years ago, I had an extremely large
percentage, don’t remember what percentage, of my B. cuttings break dormancy
and produce about 250 pots of B. oldhamii. I thought I had found the secret
to success, but I have never been able to replicate that one year and I
could never figure out what factors caused the success.

------------------

Roy Rogers (Tampa, Florida, USA)

From: a a <aastrictus@yahoo. <mailto:aastrictus%40yahoo.com> com>
Reply-To: bamboo-plantations@ <mailto:bamboo-plantations%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:24:35 -0800 (PST)
To: bamboo-plantations@ <mailto:bamboo-plantations%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bamboo-plantations] Re: 100% Oldhamii or Vulgaris

Hi everyone, It may be possible to have 100% success of propagation from B.
Oldhamii. Every year for about 5 years I would take about 400 cuttings of B.
Oldhamii and achieved about 25-50%, however about 2 years ago, for whatever
reason, nearly everyone of my cuttings survived and I had about a 98%
success rate, there was almost no difference in the time of harvest or the
potting mix, but needless to say I haven't had to do another propagation of
oldhamii since as I still have plenty of plants left for my purpose. So
100% success in my mind would not be an impossibilty.

Regards

AA

--- On Tue, 23/12/08, Roy Rogers <JROGERS3@TAMPABAY.
<mailto:JROGERS3%40TAMPABAY.RR.COM> RR.COM
<mailto:JROGERS3%40TAMPABAY.RR.COM> > wrote:

From: Roy Rogers <JROGERS3@TAMPABAY. <mailto:JROGERS3%40TAMPABAY.RR.COM>
RR.COM
<mailto:JROGERS3%40TAMPABAY.RR.COM> >
Subject: Re: [bamboo-plantations] Re: Oldhamii or Vulgaris
To: bamboo-plantations@ <mailto:bamboo-plantations%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
<mailto:bamboo-plantations%40yahoogroups.com>
Received: Tuesday, 23 December, 2008, 4:23 AM

Terry,

My original thoughts were that for you to have a 100 percent success with
culm propagation success on B. oldhamii would be something Iıve never
experienced and the bamboo you were using was probably was B. vulgaris.
When I used to grow B. vulgaris, I used to just cut the branch complement
off the culm, leaving the culm erect and intact, and I would pot the branch
complement and expect nearly a 100 percent propagation success ratio.

I do have people who tell me that they have B. oldhamii, but when we a light
freeze (around 30 F) the leaves on their B. oldhamii drop off and a hard
freeze (around 25 F) they get a lot of culm damage. What they have is B.
vulgaris and not B. oldhamii. If they donıt have a camera to email some
pictures to me, then I ask them to look at the nodes. If there is a slight
swelling at the nodes, then thatıs a sign that itıs B. vulgaris. B.
oldhamii doesnıt have the swollen nodes. New culms of B. vulgaris have a
darker green color, where as B. oldhamii has more of a bluish-green color
with general some white bloom/powder on the culm. New shoots of B. oldhamii
culm sheath may or may not have dark bristles(hairs) on the culm sheath, but
B. vulgaris culm sheaths are full of dense black bristles. A lot of what I
just said may not help you as all things are relative and you need something
to compare.

Bambooweb.info is the best place I know to look up bamboos and try to
compare the images with what you have. Can you take some digital images of
the bamboo in question and upload them either here or at some place we can
take a look at?

http://www.bamboowe b.info/Plants. php

Roy Rogers
Tampa, Florida, USA

From: "Terry Belk" <owanafarm@yahoo. com.mx>
Reply-To: bamboo-plantations@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:29:51 -0000
To: bamboo-plantations@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [bamboo-plantations ] Re: Oldhamii or Vulgaris

Back to which bamboo I planted. After checking all sites, this week
I saw a bamboo clump at the ranch of a friend. He insisted that I
take home some culms. And, after having seen the references that you
included in your previous male, I think that this clump is Vulgaris.

The clump must be 15-20 feet in diameter, the center has an area that
shows the remains of long dead culms, and the clump is extending to
all sides. I would have thought that it was an Oldhamii, before, but
now I can see the difference. Also, there are many low, thin
branches, very different from the other.

Needless to say I was able to dig out the few culm sprouts that were
presant.

There was a sprout coming up from one old cut off stub, about 6
inches tall, as thick as my thumb, and with 5 or 6 leaves. Also,
beside it were some rizomes, very white, nothing like the roots. I
have these planted and hope that they survive the transplanting.

Any further comentaries to help me progress?

Terry

--- In bamboo-plantations@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:bamboo- plantations% 40yahoogroups. com> , Gib Cooper <gib@...>
wrote:
>
> Bambusa oldhamii is quite common in Mexico and very densely
planted
> on the Caribbean side of the sierras.
>
>
> Gib Cooper
> Executive Director BOTA
> http://bambooofthea mericas.org
>
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Terry Belk wrote:
>
> > Thank you for the comment, and I checked the pages that you
include.
> > No, I will go on with what we have is B. Oldhamii. The culms come
up
> > very closely together. The original plant probably doesn't reach 2
> > meters in diameter, and I would think that we are probably the
first
> > persons to remove material for replanting. Also, it has a rather
> > numerous sprouting on eash, above where the cattle cannot reach
them,
> > in the drought years
> >
> > The same characteristics I have seen on the other scattered
clumps of
> > the same kind, which I have observed in an area of over 200 km of
> > distance from here.
> >
> > There are other kinds here, besides Otate, but most are in the
city
> > gardens.
> >
> > Terry
> >
> > --- In bamboo-plantations@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:bamboo- plantations% 40yahoogroups. com> , Roy Rogers <JROGERS3@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Not disagreeing with what you see and ID as Bambusa oldhamii,
but
> > with 100
> > > percent success ratio, I would like to ask if you would be able
to
> > > distinguish the difference in identification between Bambusa
> > vulgaris and
> > > Bambusa oldhamii. A 100 percent success ratio with Bambusa
> > vulgaris could
> > > possibly be expected and no one would have an doubts.
> > >
> > > Bambusa vulgaris
> > > http://tinyurl. com/5ccguc
> > > http://www.bamboowe b.info/ShowPictu res2.php?
> > BooID=80&Desc= &Loc=&Match= AND&Ca
> > > t=*&s=0
> > >
> > > Bambusa oldhamii
> > > http://tinyurl. com/owx2k
> > > http://www.bamboowe b.info/ShowPictu res2.php?
> > BooID=54&Desc= &Loc=&Match= AND&Ca
> > > t=*&s=0
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------ ------
> > >
> > > Roy Rogers (Tampa, Florida, USA)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: "Terry Belk" <owanafarm@>
> > > Reply-To: bamboo-plantations@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:bamboo- plantations% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:21:03 -0000
> > > To: bamboo-plantations@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:bamboo- plantations% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > Subject: [bamboo-plantations ] Re: Thank you
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > As far as my limited experience allows, I have identified it as
B.
> > > Oldhammi, which is the kind found here in the rural areas where
> > > clumps are sometimes found in the yards, or where houses were
at one
> > > time. Along the arroyos you find Otate.
> > >
> > > Terry
> > >
> > > --- In bamboo-plantations@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:bamboo- plantations% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > <mailto:bamboo- plantations% 40yahoogroups. com> , "Robert
Saporito"
> > > <robert@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Not so fast.
> > > >
> > > > As we say at our nursery - Shoots don't equal roots. Most
viable
> > > buds on
> > > > tropical bamboo nodal cuttings will break and produce shoots.
> > > Often, this
> > > > activity offers false hope. The goal is for those cuttings to
> > > produce roots.
> > > > It is not uncommon for the initial shoots and sprouts to
wither
> > > away if no
> > > > roots develop to support the new growth.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not trying to be Johnny Raincloud here - I've just heard
the
> > > same early
> > > > propagation celebration countless times. Sometimes, reports of
> > > reasonable
> > > > success follows. Most often, the follow-up reports are less
than
> > > > enthusiastic.
> > > >
> > > > There are many variables that contribute to successful nodal
> > > propagation of
> > > > tropical bamboo species. Certainly, the species selected is
key as
> > > they
> > > > range from laughingly easy to root to nearly impossible. What
> > were
> > > the
> > > > species used here?
> > > >
> > > > Robert Saporito
> > > >
> > >

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