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Re: [bangalore-lisp] Lisp starter pack

Alok,

Thanks for your continued interest. I was disheartened in this group's discussion about putting together a Lisp CD-ROM because it seemed like our focus was lost. My original idea was to put together the CD-ROM so people without copious Internet bandwidth and oodles of spare time could get started with a fairly good Lisp development environment simply. Other people seemed to want to put a lot of stuff on the CD-ROM like a bunch of the old stuff laying around on the Internet. I also succumbed to the idea that the first revision of the CD-ROM should be, in some way, well-rounded.

Shall we try to revive this Lisp CD-ROM production? Who should decide what will go onto it? I feel that a single Lisp with a bootable CD-ROM (I am thinking `Knoppix' for Intel & AMD processors) included should be the way to go. In spite of huge demands upon my time, I am willing to commit to that idea. To fill out the idea: the CD-ROM would boot up to a Knoppix-based GNU/Linux system. This idea allows me to concentrate upon what I know best and could get going fairly quickly: a Debian GNU/Linux system usable even in Internet cafes, without touching the hard disk. I think it would even be possible for people to install Debian packages this way, without using the hard disk. Probably even asdf-install would work. People with the capability to set aside a Linux partition could use knx-hdinstall so later boots would not require the CD-ROM.

Personally, I am only interested in making sure SBCL, CMUCL, and CLISP install and run properly. The latest Debian package for SBCL runs UCW with SLIME and threads just fine (see http://packages.debian.org/stable/devel/ ), so I would work to get that stuff on the CD-ROM too. Getting UCW installed is not easy, but I have it pretty much under control now and can even add a few notes about it. ;-)

Would anyone be interested in having a CD-ROM with a GNU/Linux command-line-Lisp-startup and about 4 good Lisp books (PCL, CLtL2, On Lisp, and CLHS)?

Perhaps this could even become our group's gift to the world.

I know this is all just talk, but this is right on target with the group's purpose.

Regards to all of you who don't just unsubscribe when they get this message. To the rest of you: get lost! ;-)

Tom

On 04 Apr 2007 16:50:46 -0700, alephnull@... <alephnull@... > wrote:


Having not seen a post here for a long time, here's one apropos the
Lisp CD that never really took off.

Bill Clementson blogs about "Lisp with Batteries included" at
http://bc.tech.coop/blog/070403.html

--
Alok

To make an enemy, do someone a favor.




--
Lisp humour:

LISP> (setf god (symbol-value god))
Warning:  Declaring GOD special.
Error:  GOD is unbound.

Sat Apr 7, 2007 10:33 am

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Having not seen a post here for a long time, here's one apropos the Lisp CD that never really took off. Bill Clementson blogs about "Lisp with Batteries...
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Apr 4, 2007
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Alok, Thanks for your continued interest. I was disheartened in this group's discussion about putting together a Lisp CD-ROM because it seemed like our focus...
Thomas Elam
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Apr 7, 2007
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Hello all, ... Personally, I think a bootable CD is not a good idea.It is very difficult to work in an environment which boots from a CD. Emacs and friends...
Krishna
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Apr 7, 2007
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Er, by `command-line-Lisp-startup', I meant the environment starts up from the command line. If someone can think of a good way to make a GUI-oriented startup...
Thomas Elam
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Apr 7, 2007
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... If you're targeting the people on this list, then I doubt you will find many people. You can have a quick poll on who here doesn't have everything on that...
Roshan Mathews
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Apr 18, 2007
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Roshan, I seldom run across anyone who really even wants to look at Lisp -- even for a 5 - 10 minute demo. On the other hand, if I have a Lisp project going,...
Thomas Elam
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Apr 19, 2007
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i agree. the bootable CD is not a good idea. in any case, clisp can be easily installed on both windows and linux what i would like on such a CD is nice...
juber patel
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Apr 7, 2007
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... I must say I agree with this sentiment. It's a lot of effort. The old wiki page [1] is still up with the discussion, such as it was. ... I have the SICP...
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Apr 18, 2007
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Alok, Hmm. How did you choose the lispniks mailing list as a venue for your question? I kind of like comp.lang.lisp. I asked some questions there recently and...
Thomas Elam
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Apr 19, 2007
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... um, I don't get you. Are you suggesting that the answers from cl-faq were neither wonderful nor deeply considered ? I spoke to a couple of friends and they...
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Alok, ... No, I wasn't implying exactly that. It just seems c.l.l. is also a good place to ask good Lisp questions and a good, appropriate question there might...
Thomas Elam
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... Yes, I do think that it is that simple. I have not asked on c.l.l. I don't think that the answer would be substantially different from the one Pascal gave...
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Apr 20, 2007
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... Would be a lot easier (And a lot more takers?) if the CD/DVD was just copied on informally for free (of cost). -- Prashanth Mohan http://prashblog.com...
Prashanth Mohan
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... I offered a CD with just source packages (from the wikipage) some time ago but found no takers. I guess the intersection of the set if poeple with...
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Alok, I appreciate your comments and like your positive spin on the reasons for you're getting few takers. ... Now I am really beginning to like the demo idea,...
Thomas Elam
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Prashanth, I'm not sure. Anyway, I suppose one could just carry around the CD-ROM with me all the time. I carry around so much else, anyway. Now I need ideas...
Thomas Elam
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