I have a grow-room that I keep four shop-lights on at 16-hour days (one
is on 24 hours a day until I fix its ballast or replace it) and our
bills haven't been appreciably affected. But then, I'm not growing a
full garden under them - usually it's for over-wintering stuff and
keeping extra-tenders in there. My vanilla is hanging in the window and
gets good southern sunlight during the winter. I figure, tho, if you
want to produce food you'll be wanting to get an HID setup going,
perhaps a mixture of MH and HPS to ensure a good even spectrum.
Expensive to buy and to run.

Be well,
Mike

--
Zone 8, Texas
http://www.taroandti.com/ Exotic Plant Info and More...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/organichomesteading/



barrelponics wrote:
> It all depends on how much money you want to spend.  Artificial lighting
> is used all the time but is only realistic when growing a crop that
> allows it to be profitable.  The way food cost is rising though it may
> not be long before it is doable to grow weeds (no, I am not talking
> about "that" kind) with artificial lighting.  $7.00 for a pkg of 6 bell
> peppers, give me a break!!.
> Trav.
>
>

And at the rate I use them for cooking that's not a tenable price.

ElfN

----- Original Message -----
From: "barrelponics" <barrelponics@...>


> It all depends on how much money you want to spend.  Artificial lighting
> is used all the time but is only realistic when growing a crop that
> allows it to be profitable.  The way food cost is rising though it may
> not be long before it is doable to grow weeds (no, I am not talking
> about "that" kind) with artificial lighting.  $7.00 for a pkg of 6 bell
> peppers, give me a break!!.
> Trav.

It all depends on how much money you want to spend.  Artificial lighting
is used all the time but is only realistic when growing a crop that
allows it to be profitable.  The way food cost is rising though it may
not be long before it is doable to grow weeds (no, I am not talking
about "that" kind) with artificial lighting.  $7.00 for a pkg of 6 bell
peppers, give me a break!!.
Trav.

--- In barrelponics@yahoogroups.com, John Lang <jnlng@...> wrote:
>
> I am not sure if this is good or bad news for me. I am just setting up
> my system in my basement. It will be 99% artificial light. I was
hoping
> to get bugs worked out over the winter before expanding to a
greenhouse
> in the spring. Am I nuts or do I have a chance with artificial
lighting?
> John
>

Trav, this whole thing has got me curious.  What about just heating the
water?  Is that enough?

ElfN

----- Original Message -----
From: "barrelponics" <barrelponics@...>


>I have grown almost anything in a greenhouse during the winter when I
> had scads of money to spend on heat (at the time over $400.00/month).
> My current philosophy is to use as little energy as possible and
> basically go with the seasons.  Leafy plants and those better suited to
> colder temps seem to do better with the low temps and short days.  When
> it is going to freeze at night I run a propane space heater to ward off
> the frost.  I do collect beans and dry them during the summer for use
> during the winter and to replant in the spring.  Most fruiting plants
> are better suited to warmer weather as the pollinators are awake and the
> days are long.
> Hope this helps,
> Trav.

peroxide breaks down to harmless things in a relatively short time if you do
nothing.

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Matt O'Brien <obrienm00@...> wrote:

>
>
> What about so-called food grade that had milk processing equipment
> cleaners? Ingredients like peroxide, etc. Also Propylene glycol used in the
> chiller?
>
> ________________________________
> From: barrelponics <barrelponics@... <barrelponics%40yahoo.com>>
> To: barrelponics@yahoogroups.com <barrelponics%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 9:14:10 PM
> Subject: [barrelponics] Re: How about plastic barrels that held
> soap/detergent?
>
>
> I use them all the time that had soap in them (I get some from a car
> wash). Sounds like you are on your way!!
>
> Trav.
>
> --- In barrelponics@yahoogroups.com <barrelponics%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "waconverse" <waconverse@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all, Thank you for your great help so far. I just found a source
> for plastic barrels that once held soap/detergent. If I rinse,rinse,
> rinse would these be safe to use with a barrelponic system?
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Converse
> >
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I am not sure if this is good or bad news for me. I am just setting up
my system in my basement. It will be 99% artificial light. I was hoping
to get bugs worked out over the winter before expanding to a greenhouse
in the spring. Am I nuts or do I have a chance with artificial lighting?
John

I have grown almost anything in a greenhouse during the winter when I
had scads of money to spend on heat (at the time over $400.00/month).
My current philosophy is to use as little energy as possible and
basically go with the seasons.  Leafy plants and those better suited to
colder temps seem to do better with the low temps and short days.  When
it is going to freeze at night I run a propane space heater to ward off
the frost.  I do collect beans and dry them during the summer for use
during the winter and to replant in the spring.  Most fruiting plants
are better suited to warmer weather as the pollinators are awake and the
days are long.
Hope this helps,
Trav.

--- In barrelponics@yahoogroups.com, Robert Sawtelle <rassd71@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Hey Travis,
> Are those the plants that you've found grow the best in a greenhouse
with the barrelponics system?
> Which one is the bigger change on plants, greenhouse or barrelponics?
>
> Are their others you've tried that did not work?
>
> My goal is to build my system into a greenhouse for year round food
production, but that's on hold for the time being.
>
> My ideal goal is to grow things that I can can and preserve to have a
solid pantry.
>
> Anyone doing this now?
>
> Any suggested items to grow or avoid?
>
> Thanks,
> Robert
>
>
> To: barrelponics@yahoogroups.com
> From: barrelponics@...
> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:36:38 +0000
> Subject: [barrelponics] Re: Whining
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>       I hear you.  We have several systems outdoors that are in the
final
>
> stages of being productive and will be shut down for the winter.
Things
>
> sure look a lot better when things are growing for sure.  We will be
>
> keeping the greenhouse system going through the winter though with
>
> collards, brussels sprouts, broccoli and the like.  This next spring
>
> will be have even more to look forward to though now you have some
>
> experience under your belt.
>
> Trav.
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more.
>
http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T\
:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009v2
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi Steve,



I have gone to the website and made the payment through paypal, can you tell
me how to get those ebooks?



Thank you,

khanh



   _____

From: barrelponics@yahoogroups.com [mailto:barrelponics@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve Spence
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:44 AM
To: barrelponics@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [barrelponics] Green-Trust Relocating to Travis Hughey's
Barrelponics facility





We are relocating to Travis Hughey's barrelponics facility to work with
him on solar powering his developments. Our goal is to make these system
self powered, and will be playing with rainwater capture and biologic
filtration of greywater.

Travis suggested we package all our ebooks and offer them as a group
only special to raise the money for the move. So here it is. To support
this co-operation between Travis and Myself, we are offering our solar
power, wind turbine, methane digestion, vermiposting, geodesic
greenhouse, battery care, diy generator & methane conversion, diy solar
hot water, greywater guide, rocket stove, and rainwater guide for a
package deal of $45. These funds will be used only for getting Trav and
I into the same shop where we can be dangerous, and provide you with
even more documentation of our ideas and projects. Will you help us help
you?

Just visit
http://www.green-
<http://www.green-trust.org/wordpress/why-donate-to-green-trust/>
trust.org/wordpress/why-donate-to-green-trust/ and note
on the donation "barrelponics". We hope to make the move next week, and
are ready to go.

--
Steve Spence
Renewable energy and self sufficiency
http://www.green- <http://www.green-trust.org> trust.org
http://makingtheweb <http://makingthewebwork.blogspot.com/>
work.blogspot.com/





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Very true.  I was hoping I would have the sun porch up and would be able to
grow through the winter.  No such luck.  We'll be lucky if we manage it by
middle of next summer at the rate we find time to do work on that project.

ElfN

----- Original Message -----
From: "barrelponics" <barrelponics@...>

>I hear you. <snip>  This next spring
> will be have even more to look forward to though now you have some
> experience under your belt.

> Trav.
> --- In barrelponics@yahoogroups.com, "ElfN" <elf@...> wrote:
>>
>> Can I whine for just two seconds . . .
>>
>> I am down to the last of my tomatoes, the last of my peppers, the
> onions are all gone . . . and we had our first good frost last night.
> <sigh>
>>
>> On the plus side, barrelponic peppers are SO incredibly crispy you
> just have to have to one understand.
>>
>> ElfN

Hey Travis,
Are those the plants that you've found grow the best in a greenhouse with the
barrelponics system?
Which one is the bigger change on plants, greenhouse or barrelponics?

Are their others you've tried that did not work?

My goal is to build my system into a greenhouse for year round food production,
but that's on hold for the time being.

My ideal goal is to grow things that I can can and preserve to have a solid
pantry.

Anyone doing this now?

Any suggested items to grow or avoid?

Thanks,
Robert


To: barrelponics@yahoogroups.com
From: barrelponics@...
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:36:38 +0000
Subject: [barrelponics] Re: Whining




























       I hear you.  We have several systems outdoors that are in the final

stages of being productive and will be shut down for the winter.  Things

sure look a lot better when things are growing for sure.  We will be

keeping the greenhouse system going through the winter though with

collards, brussels sprouts, broccoli and the like.  This next spring

will be have even more to look forward to though now you have some

experience under your belt.

Trav.

_________________________________________________________________
Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more.
http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL\
:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009v2

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I hear you.  We have several systems outdoors that are in the final
stages of being productive and will be shut down for the winter.  Things
sure look a lot better when things are growing for sure.  We will be
keeping the greenhouse system going through the winter though with
collards, brussels sprouts, broccoli and the like.  This next spring
will be have even more to look forward to though now you have some
experience under your belt.
Trav.
--- In barrelponics@yahoogroups.com, "ElfN" <elf@...> wrote:
>
> Can I whine for just two seconds . . .
>
> I am down to the last of my tomatoes, the last of my peppers, the
onions are all gone . . . and we had our first good frost last night.
<sigh>
>
> On the plus side, barrelponic peppers are SO incredibly crispy you
just have to have to one understand.
>
> ElfN
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Can I whine for just two seconds . . .

I am down to the last of my tomatoes, the last of my peppers, the onions are all
gone . . . and we had our first good frost last night.  <sigh>

On the plus side, barrelponic peppers are SO incredibly crispy you just have to
have to one understand.

ElfN

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I've been thinking about the same thing.  The idea would seem to be  very
much in keeping with core church goals, namely, to help feed the  hungry,
offset poverty and do community service.  I have not yet  approached any
churches in my area simply because I'm not that far along  yet.  But if you had
a
working system to demonstrate, and present it in  terms of wanting to do
something for the community and/or something to help  offset poverty and
hunger, that would be appealing.  And that's not just  Christian churches -
synagogues, mosques and other secular community centers may  also be very
interested.  Of course the decision-makers for any given  organization will be
all
over the spectrum, from "afraid to try new things" to  being so enthusiastic
that they don't see the challenges or work involved.   But it's certainly a
worthy attempt on your part to spread the word.

Depending on what area you're in, I may have some specific contacts  for
you.  I'm in Snohomish County, WA, and I'm pretty involved in my own  church
plus I've got friends in other parishes, who know that I'm into  alternative
ag of various types.  I don't recall exactly where you are but  I'd be game
to collaborate with you on this if you decide to pursue  it.  It was already
on my list of projects once I got my own system up and  running.
Kathryn Kerby
Frog Chorus Farm
Snohomish, WA


In a message dated 11/14/2009 5:51:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
waconverse@... writes:

Hi  All,
I was wondering if any of you are connected or know of  specific churches
that have successful barrelponic systems they operate? I  attend a small
country church in the mountains of the PNW and am considering  introducing the
concept there.  Would like to hear from those who can  tell me about churches
that have a system, so I can contact those churches or  whoever in in
charge of operting it there.  Many thanks for your help.

Sincerely,
Converse



------------------------------------

Yahoo!  Groups Links







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In barrelponics@yahoogroups.com, "waconverse" <waconverse@...> wrote:
>
>  Hi All,
>    I was wondering if any of you are connected or know of specific churches
that have successful barrelponic systems they operate? I attend a small country
church in the mountains of the PNW and am considering introducing the concept
there.  Would like to hear from those who can tell me about churches that have a
system, so I can contact those churches or whoever in in charge of operting it
there.  Many thanks for your help.
>
> Sincerely,
> Converse
>
  Hello converse
Yes I design and built a system for the first baptist church in N.C.
  I trained them in system operation and moved on.Thay have been running and
expanded it past barrels to tanks.you can go to my-space.com and go to "randy
the hydro-hippie" for pics. of the system.
  any one feel free to contact me.
PEACE

Hi All,
    I was wondering if any of you are connected or know of specific churches that
have successful barrelponic systems they operate? I attend a small country
church in the mountains of the PNW and am considering introducing the concept
there.  Would like to hear from those who can tell me about churches that have a
system, so I can contact those churches or whoever in in charge of operting it
there.  Many thanks for your help.

Sincerely,
Converse

If your system is kinda new, you could be having a nitrite spike.  If nitrites
levels get high it is toxic for the fish.  Your bacteria might not be fully
established yet. 

Probably would be best to have a test kit for nitrites, amonia and PH.  Water
testing is especially critical when you start your system.

Don't worry about the green water that won't cause any problems, just some
algae growing from the nutrients in your water and is a good sign the
nitrification process is starting to work.  Once you plants in the growbed are
established the algea should clear up.   




________________________________
From: friendsmilyh <friendsmilyh@...>
To: barrelponics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 13, 2009 9:34:31 AM
Subject: [barrelponics] Overfeeding

 
Hi All.

Thanks to those gracious folks to take time out of their day to give a helping
word. Now, I started my first system with gold fish and was losing 2-3 per day
for about a week. Trav says: "possibly overfeeding" so I thought, Oh that's what
that stuff might be at the bottom of the tank.

So I quit feeding for about a week and what do you know? They cleaned up the
whole bottom of the tank. I had no idea I was overfeeding by so much. Any how.
Three days went by without a single death each day, the bottom of the tank is
clean. Now I am feeding much much less than before-so as to not allow
accumulation at the bottom of the aquarium.

Just this morning I woke up to a dead goldfish. Oh oh, what now? I do notice the
color of the water is still just as green as when there was a bunch of fish food
on the bottom of the tank. But the fish food is gone. Could be water ph?

Thanks a bunch for this awesome group of people that can share wonderful AP
ideas on such a super medium.

Have a wonderful day.

Frank

"Self Reliance is Reliance on God"

RALPH WALDO EMERSON




__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

What about so-called food grade that had milk processing equipment cleaners? 
Ingredients like peroxide, etc.  Also Propylene glycol used in the chiller?




________________________________
From: barrelponics <barrelponics@...>
To: barrelponics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 9:14:10 PM
Subject: [barrelponics] Re: How about plastic barrels that held soap/detergent?


I use them all the time that had soap in them (I get some from a car
wash).  Sounds like you are on your way!!

Trav.




--- In barrelponics@yahoogroups.com, "waconverse" <waconverse@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi all, Thank you for your great help so far. I just found a source
for plastic barrels that once held soap/detergent. If I rinse,rinse,
rinse would these be safe to use with a barrelponic system?
>
> Sincerely,
> Converse
>





------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi All.

Thanks to those gracious folks to take time out of their day to give a helping
word.  Now, I started my first system with gold fish and was losing 2-3 per day
for about a week.  Trav says:  "possibly overfeeding" so I thought, Oh that's
what that stuff might be at the bottom of the tank.

So I quit feeding for about a week and what do you know? They cleaned up the
whole bottom of the tank.  I had no idea I was overfeeding by so much.  Any how.
Three days went by without a single death each day, the bottom of the tank is
clean.  Now I am feeding much much less than before-so as to not allow
accumulation at the bottom of the aquarium.

Just this morning I woke up to a dead goldfish. Oh oh, what now?  I do notice
the color of the water is still just as green as when there was a bunch of fish
food on the bottom of the tank. But the fish food is gone.  Could be water ph?

Thanks a bunch for this awesome group of people that can share wonderful AP
ideas on such a super medium.

Have a wonderful day.


Frank

"Self Reliance is Reliance on God"

RALPH WALDO EMERSON

Chain-letters are out there to mislead the gullible which is why it is not a
list rule but a generic E-rule not to forward anything that has a tag-line
resembling this one pulled from yours; "Send this to as many people as you can,"

Forwarding, such things as a general rule also gives the impression that the
forwarder believed enough to forward.  Most lists simply regard it as SPAM. 
Worse, when money is involved it is actually illegal, thank goodness not a
problem here; http://uits.uark.edu/policies/index_3980_ENG_HTML.htm#chain

If you have to forward chains, try the ones that are pictures only and do not
require beleif.. or involve a command to forward.

Yours, Pego


> Pego......I suspose it could be a chain letter type, I only forwarded it as a
curious interest
> ," just delete".  The pictures I received in my e-mail didn't  go forward
in that e-mail.  If I broke a rule, I appologize.   
>  
> Tom Pate    

I use them all the time that had soap in them (I get some from a car
wash).  Sounds like you are on your way!!

Trav.




--- In barrelponics@yahoogroups.com, "waconverse" <waconverse@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi all, Thank you for your great help so far. I just found a source
for plastic barrels that once held soap/detergent. If I rinse,rinse,
rinse would these be safe to use with a barrelponic system?
>
> Sincerely,
> Converse
>

Pego......I suspose it could be a chain letter type, I only forwarded it as a
curious interest
," just delete".  The pictures I received in my e-mail didn't  go forward in
that e-mail.  If I broke a rule, I appologize.   
 
Tom Pate    
 
 
 
--- On Thu, 11/12/09, firekeeper38 <firekeeper38@...> wrote:


From: firekeeper38 <firekeeper38@...>
Subject: [barrelponics] Chainletter and not accurateRe: Fw: SUPER AWESOME
HISTORY (OT)
To: barrelponics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 1:42 AM


 



Yeah, yeah,

There are a lot of co-inky-dinks betwixt them but this guy made up a number of
them; http://www.snopes. com/history/ american/ lincoln-kennedy. asp

Only one thing remains..... ........

It's a chainletter

Pego











[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I could see using a wooden barrel for a nice looking set up. 

If you cut them in half opposite of how it is done for barrelponics, like they
sell for planters and then line them with plastic, so there would not be a
contamination issue.  I believe I have seen ready made barrel liners to make
them into small goldfish ponds. 

You could have one for the growbed and one for the fishtank.  It would be a very
small system but with imagination it could look really pretty.  I agree that it
would be expensive too, unless you could get the barrels for free.

You could also use the plastic totes as a dump tank and growbeds if that is what
you can find for a reasonable price. 

Travis's plans are so easy to follow, I would stick as close to those for your
first set up as possible.

Scott







>
> Hi All,
>
> I am in the process of trying to gather all the pieces to put a system
together. So far we have a plastic tote with gold fish living in it. Haven't
killed those.....yet! Trying to get other materials is taking a bit more
creative thought. And since I live in an area where there are lots of family
owned vineyards making designer wines, I struck an idea....wooden barrels!
Before I pursue this option, has anyone used wooden barrels in aquaponics? Are
there any special considerations in using them? Challenges/advantag es?
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Converse





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi all, Thank you for your great help so far.  I just found a source for plastic
barrels that once held soap/detergent.  If I rinse,rinse, rinse would these be
safe to use with a barrelponic system?

Sincerely,
Converse

Thank you. This is what I needed to know.

Sincerely,
Converse


--- In barrelponics@yahoogroups.com, Robert Sawtelle <rassd71@...> wrote:
>
>
> I live in an area with a LOT of wineries, but they sell their used barrels to
greenhouse supply places for planters and get more money for them than I can get
plastic ones for.  So the financial consideration is one aspect.  Then another
thought is that the barrels would contain trace elements that I would be
concerned about.  And lastly would be the structural integrity, wooden barrels
are held in place with metal rings, but cut sideways there wouldn't be the
support.
>
> What are other peoples thoughts?
>
>
>
> To: barrelponics@yahoogroups.com
> From: waconverse@...
> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:24:24 +0000
> Subject: [barrelponics] wooden barrel question
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>       Hi All,
>
>   I am in the process of trying to gather all the pieces to put a system
together.  So far we have a plastic tote with gold fish living in it.  Haven't
killed those.....yet! Trying to get other materials is taking a bit more
creative thought.  And since I live in an area where there are lots of family
owned vineyards making designer wines, I struck an idea....wooden barrels! 
Before I pursue this option, has anyone used wooden barrels in aquaponics?  Are
there any special considerations in using them? Challenges/advantages?
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Converse
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.
> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Yeah, yeah,

There are a lot of co-inky-dinks betwixt them but this guy made up a number of
them; http://www.snopes.com/history/american/lincoln-kennedy.asp

Only one thing remains.............


It's a chainletter


Pego

I live in an area with a LOT of wineries, but they sell their used barrels to
greenhouse supply places for planters and get more money for them than I can get
plastic ones for.  So the financial consideration is one aspect.  Then another
thought is that the barrels would contain trace elements that I would be
concerned about.  And lastly would be the structural integrity, wooden barrels
are held in place with metal rings, but cut sideways there wouldn't be the
support.

What are other peoples thoughts?



To: barrelponics@yahoogroups.com
From: waconverse@...
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:24:24 +0000
Subject: [barrelponics] wooden barrel question




























       Hi All,

   I am in the process of trying to gather all the pieces to put a system
together.  So far we have a plastic tote with gold fish living in it.  Haven't
killed those.....yet! Trying to get other materials is taking a bit more
creative thought.  And since I live in an area where there are lots of family
owned vineyards making designer wines, I struck an idea....wooden barrels! 
Before I pursue this option, has anyone used wooden barrels in aquaponics?  Are
there any special considerations in using them? Challenges/advantages?



Sincerely,

Converse


















_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.
http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi All,
   I am in the process of trying to gather all the pieces to put a system
together.  So far we have a plastic tote with gold fish living in it.  Haven't
killed those.....yet! Trying to get other materials is taking a bit more
creative thought.  And since I live in an area where there are lots of family
owned vineyards making designer wines, I struck an idea....wooden barrels! 
Before I pursue this option, has anyone used wooden barrels in aquaponics?  Are
there any special considerations in using them? Challenges/advantages?

Sincerely,
Converse

Off Topic but very interesting.
 
Tom Pate

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Earl Garner <earlg@...> wrote:


From: Earl Garner <earlg@...>
Subject: SUPER AWESOME HISTORY
To: "Julian & Sandra Miller" <jmillercpa@...>, "Erik & Kay Reppen"
<erikay@...>, "Cody & Brenda" <wcta_99@...>, "Ken Yates"
<kenyates@...>
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 6:20 PM





Is this strange or what?
 
Earl








 











































 










Subj: A History Mystery



 




















History Mystery 


Have a history teacher explain this----- if they can. 



Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846. 
John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946. 

Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860. 
John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960. 

Both were particularly concerned with civil rights. 
Both wives lost their children while living in the White House.

Both Presidents were shot on a Friday. 
Both Presidents were shot in the head 

Now it gets really weird.

Lincoln 's secretary was named Kennedy. 
Kennedy's Secretary was named Lincoln . 

Both were assassinated by Southerners. 
Both were succeeded by Southerners named Johnson. 

Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln , was born in 1808.
Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.




John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln , was born in 1839.
Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy, was born in 1939.


Both assassins were known by their three names. 
Both names are composed of fifteen letters. 

Now hang on to your seat.

Lincoln was shot at the theater named 'Ford'.
Kennedy was shot in a car called ' Lincoln ' made by 'Ford'.

Lincoln was shot in a theater and his assassin ran and hid in a warehouse. 
Kennedy was shot from a warehouse and his assassin ran and hid in a theater.

Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials. 

WHO FIGURED THIS OUT?
INCREDIBLE
1) Fold a NEW $20 bill in half... 



2) Fold again, taking care to fold it exactly as below 


3) Fold the other end, exactly as before < /B>



4) Now, simply turn it over...


What a coincidence! A simple geometric fold creates a catastrophic premonition
printed on all $20 bills!!! 

COINCIDENCE?

YOU DECIDE

As if that wasn't enough...
Here is what you've seen... 

Firstly The Pentagon on fire...



Then The Twin Towers.


...And now...look at this! 



TRIPLE COINCIDENCE ON A SIMPLE $20 BILL 
Disaster (Pentagon)
Disaster ( Twin Towers )
Disaster (Osama)???

It gets even better 9 + 11 = $20! 

Creepy huh? Send this to as many people as you can, cause: 
Hey, this is one history lesson most people probably will not mind reading!


 

 

  
 
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.95/2368 - Release Date: 09/18/09
07:49:00





No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.105/2380 - Release Date: 09/18/09
07:49:00





Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.


Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now.


Windows 7: It helps you do more. Explore Windows 7.


--
~Paige~



--
  soccer #3



Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more.


Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more.


Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.



Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.


Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.









[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Zebra mussels have a tendency to concentrate heavy metals.

Greg H.
.

Once you can accept the universe as matter expanding into nothing that is
something, wearing stripes with plaid comes easy.

.
----- Original Message -----
From: "loonogs3" <loonogs3@...>
To: <barrelponics@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 14:59
Subject: [barrelponics] Are Zebra Mussels edible ?


>I live in Ireland,
> we have plenty of clean lakes which have over the last couple of years
> become infested with Zebra mussels.
>
> Can we eat them and can i feed them to the ducks
>
> Philip
>

John.......Your Ph bouncing up may be caused by the sulphur    gassing out
.  Sulphur is acidic and getting rid of it causes ph to rise.  I do use
muratic acid and haven't had any effect on fish,you may have to use a little
over a few days to get stablized. My ph well water has ph 7.6  but no
sulphur.  I also use some  iron sulfate and magnesium sulfate.
 
Tom Pate                    

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, heavymetalflyer1 <heavymetalflyer1@...> wrote:


From: heavymetalflyer1 <heavymetalflyer1@...>
Subject: [barrelponics] Re: Clean Gravel
To: barrelponics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 10:49 AM


 



Hi Trav,

My gravel came out of a bag. Bought at Lowes. We did place it in a wheelbarrel,
rinse as best we could. Then used a plastic plant pot with holes in the bottom
to scoop the gravel out of the wheel barrel, let it drain out the bottom and
then into the grow beds. That was the best system we could come up with. I need
to add more gravel, and will try the chlorine flush as well.

This is all part of my trying to figure why the high PH keeps bouncing back up,
which is at 9 this morning. However the goldfish seem fine, lively and are still
eating.

Thanks for you help,
John

--- In barrelponics@ yahoogroups. com, "barrelponics" <barrelponics@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> This would totally depend on where your gravel came from. The commmon
> thinking is to sterilize the gravel somehow whether using hydrogen
> peroxide or chlorine. I know I will be sterilizing my main system this
> spring as it is infested with snails and unfortunately the only way to
> totally eliminate them is to take the fish and plants out and shock the
> whole system (pool shock). I did an experiment with bleach and even had
> some survive in a smaller system. I've tried several strategies to
> "control" them but there is simply no way as they are breeding in the
> piping. Most of the time though I simply rinse the gravel with clean
> water to get al the dirt out and load it into the beds. If you do have
> any questions though about bringing in unwanted organisms I am thinking
> peroxide may be the best bet since it totally gases off.
>
> Trav.
>
>
> --- In barrelponics@ yahoogroups. com, "heavymetalflyer1"
> <heavymetalflyer1@ > wrote:
> >
> > Yo to All!
> >
> > What is the best procedure to cleaning the gravel? Simply flush,
> flush, flush, and oh yes...Flush? Or should I use a home brew cleaning
> solution to neutralize everything?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > John
> >
>











[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]