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Re: [beam] Photopopper Debug [BEAM anilogic probe]

Justin Fisher wrote:
>
> On a similar subject: which do people prefer - needle meters or LCD
> displays?

Analog. I always go for the needle.

Nine times out of ten, all I want is a voltage or resistance or current
number, so digital might be a little more useful. However, the tenth
time is when I want to see the needle move. For that, I'll always go
analog.

As a little aside, I sometimes like to see what is going on "inside" an
Nv or Nu neuron. The problem: how do I make a voltage measurement
without having the meter affect the circuit?

A few months back, I discovered the voltage follower circuit. It's just
an op-amp (I use the LM324), with the probe connected to the (+) input
and the output feeding back to the (-) input. Whatever voltage is
applied to the probe will show up on the output. The effect on the
circuit is minimal. The only trick is that the op-amp will have a
maximum output that's a couple of volts below it's supply voltage, so I
use a separate 9v battery to power the LM324.

With this arrangement, I can stick a probe into the heart of a neuron
and watch the needle swing as the voltage rises and falls. This has
helped me a couple to times to troubleshoot mysterious bugs in my
circuits.

Bruce



Fri Apr 28, 2000 4:49 pm

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Many thanks, Wilf! I'll be sure to use this guide on when I build my next photopopper. I may just do what I usually do when I fail to make something work-...
turtletek@... Send Email Apr 27, 2000
10:53 pm

I was thinking about trouble shooting BEAM circuit problems for people who don't have a multimeter. Using a digital logic probe is just like adding some LEDs...
Wilf Rigter
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Apr 28, 2000
9:56 am

... levels ... (shunt ... circuit, ... circuit ... I've never used a logic probe, but have been thinking of getting one as I spend more and more time with...
Justin Fisher
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Apr 28, 2000
2:42 pm

... Analog. I always go for the needle. Nine times out of ten, all I want is a voltage or resistance or current number, so digital might be a little more...
Bruce Robinson
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Apr 28, 2000
6:34 pm

Bruce, ... just ... input ... so I ... Forgot to ask about this earlier -- do you need to ground unused inputs on this chip? Thanks, Eric...
Eric_Seale Offline Send Email Jan 17, 2002
5:40 pm

Unlike CMOS digital chips, analog chips such as op-amps do not require you to ground unused pins. If you are ever unsure, you can always refer to the data...
Pat Nicklas
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Jan 17, 2002
9:47 pm

... circuit, ... circuit ... I have another one - could we perhaps avoid a 9V battery? They're clunky and you can't do anything with them, whereas if you go...
Justin Fisher
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Apr 28, 2000
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... circuit. Anyone ... http://members.xoom.com/Bumper314/epbimages/Bump.htm...
Justin Fisher
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Apr 28, 2000
4:38 pm

In a message dated 4/28/00 5:58:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ... circuit, ... Excellent idea Wilf! It would be a great first project for the newbie. A ...
JVernonM@... Send Email Apr 28, 2000
12:44 pm

Thanks! So that was Steve Bumper's project: very nice! Just the LM3914, a 78L05 and 8 LEDs would make a simple Analogic Probe but I am still checking design...
Wilf Rigter
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Apr 28, 2000
7:15 pm

great idea wilf! An oscilloscope would be nice too... :) Is the o-scope your thinking of the one with the matrix of LED's? David ----- Original Message...
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Apr 29, 2000
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