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Re: [beam] Pummer AC or HC Question about Wilf Circuit

Hi Mike,
 
The 74HC14 is more effcient for this application than a 74AC14. This single Schmitt inverter cmos oscillator has an input voltage that always hovers near the input switching thresholds and as such is not as efficient as a two inverter oscillator with a large input swing.  Also the dark "SE" uses simple diode connected between the slowly changing solar cell output voltage and the cmos input. As the cmos input voltage is near the trigger level the Vcc starts to increase and can quickly drain the storage capacitor.
 
Also keep in mind that a blue led requires about 3V to turn on. Since the LED pump at most doubles the voltage across the LED, the blue LED quickly fades out when the voltage on the cap (Vcc) drops to about 1.8V (check).
 
 I tested this circuit with a red LED which needs about 1.6V and therefore the LED pump circuit can continue to operate until Vcc drops to about 0.9V.         
 
There is a tripler version of this circuit which is more suitable for a blue LED.
 
Let us know what's on your wishlist and we can try to custom design something.
 
wilf
    
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 2:00 PM
Subject: [beam] Pummer AC or HC Question about Wilf Circuit


Hi group!
I was tinkering around with one of wilf's pummer designs last night
and I have a question. First of all, the circuit I'm referring to is
now located in the files section as "LEDPUMP.png". Now, I think I
already know the answer, but, would this circuit be much different
depending on whether I used a HC or an AC type chip?

The circuit worked VERY nicely with a miniature blue led, however
even with a 1F cap (charged to 2 volts) it didn't look like it was
going to blink for very long. After like 20-30 minutes, the brightness
was obviously suffering. Wilf stated in his associated post that it
was blinking well even after 8 hours when he made it. I had to use a
74AC14 cause the only HC ones I have are SMD parts. I can use these
SMD pieces but, I can't breadboard with them. So I just wonder if the
performance would be greatly improved before I go and make a nice
brass frame and do all this building for a pummer.

BTW, I am REALLY excited about this pummer! It will be my first one!

Thanks All!
Mike Scharf    :)











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Hi group! I was tinkering around with one of wilf's pummer designs last night and I have a question. First of all, the circuit I'm referring to is now located...
Mike Scharf
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Feb 25, 2005
10:00 pm

Hi Mike, Are you just using one inverter of the 8 on the chip? If so tie all unused inputs to ground, this will save power. The ac chip is more power hungry so...
Neil
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Feb 26, 2005
12:31 am

I can use these ... Hey Mike I'm not sure about the rest but you can solder resistor leads to the SMD part so you can use them in a breadboard. Gord ===== Stay...
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Feb 26, 2005
1:33 am

Some details may have got lost in translation and I would like to clarify the concepts of static and dynamic power consumption that applies to all of these...
Wilf Rigter
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Feb 26, 2005
3:50 am

Hi Mike, The 74HC14 is more effcient for this application than a 74AC14. This single Schmitt inverter cmos oscillator has an input voltage that always hovers...
Wilf Rigter
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Feb 26, 2005
4:15 am

Hi All, Thanks to everyone for their input on this question! Wilf, Thanks for the informative replies! I would like to try the tripler version of this circuit....
Mike Scharf
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Feb 26, 2005
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