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Dear Mr. Ashik Ibrahim , If you under statnd urdu, I get this from Tolu Islam
web site, on the samepage this message is also appended:-
The First Massage is from Kitaab ALLAH (6:196) with exact referance, other Message is refered to Muhammad PBUH (just book ref).
One is Commandment & other is visionary expalination of Commandment, by Muhammad PBUH.
Because we do not found any thing refered to Muhammad PBUH, before revelation of Commandments of ALLAH.
The First Massage cannot be denied being ALLAHs Commandment, as far as second message is concerned you have to verify it authneticate it through various codes, e.g is is-ur-rijaal ete etc. Like these other messages you can have doubt about their authenticiy you can not just in ONE WORLD validate, "All books compiled by IRANIAN (Tibri (Tibristan), Bukhari, Muslim(Neshapori), Abudauood(Seestanie), Ibn-e-maja (Qazveenie), Tirmizi, Nasai (Khurasani)) has 100% corrrect visionary expalination of Commandment, by Muhammad PBUH.
Whereas none of a Muslim on this plannet earth you will find, who deny to say that Kitaab ALLAH is not 100% correct in its commandments. As far as its 100% practice is concerned its is not possible for us, having many err in our peronality, because every one of us are not similar in traits given by ALLAH.
(16:69) (O,Bee) Then to eat of all the produce, and find with skill the spacious paths of its Lord: there issues from within their bodies a drink of varying colours, wherein is healing for men: verily in this is a Sign for those who give thought.
Do you think ever BEE is practing the commandment as ordered?
So now you have to decide which book is the most authentic & which is less. The less authnetic NEWS can not superceede the authnetic NEWS both books, e.g Kitaab ALLAH & Kutubs min doon ALLAH are NEWS for us.
After Commenting: EVERY MUSLIM ACCEPT QURAN IS THE FINAL WORD REVELAED....BUT IT DOESNT MEAN THAT WAHI WAS LIMITED ONLY FOR QURAN...THERE ARE TONS OF PROOFS THAT WAHI RECIEVED OTHER THAN IN HOLY BOOKS.....
1). Wahie : need not to give tons of proof to revelation of Wahie other than Quraan, i will give you few proof for your usnderstanding about wahi, yes it is other than Quraan, because Wahie is The blessing of ALLAH.
(16:68) And Your Lord Wahi (taught) the Bee to build its cells in hills, on trees, and in (men's) habitations;
I believe the Wahie like, wich is reveled to BEE, is also revealed to every ceature in the uiverse .Therefore other then Quraan
I receive following Wahi from ALLAH as human being, just poder!!
1). Oh, Human being make Bulb. mobile, TV, Aeroplane etc etc
2). Oh, Human being make Medicine for healing for me, etc etc
3). Oh, Human being make every thing for human prosperity, etc etc
SATAN & his associates receive following Wahi from ALLAH !!
1). Oh, Satan from jinkind & mankind invent Golden phrasis to distract my believer form my Path. (6:112)
2). Oh, Satan from jinkind & mankind, invent stories full of lie to distract my believer form my Path.(26:222-223)
3). Oh, Satan from jinkind & mankind, invent poetic non-practicable lyrics to distract my believer form my Path. .(26:222-223)
Like this you can have TONS of WAHIE ok,
But these are nothing more than visionary expalination of ALLAH's Commandments, which you may accept or reject it will not convert you in to Kufr, But if you reject ALLAH's Commandments inscribed in Kitaab ALLAH (Al-Quraan) you will become REJECTOR (KAFIR)
you asked:
SO HOW YOU ACCEPTED QURAN DOESNT HAVE COMPLETE LINE OF ACTIONS PERFORMED IN NAMAZ...
2). Wahie : about Salwat is:
(29:45) Recite what is Wahie to you from the Book (Al-Kitaab), and establish Alssalat (Namaz, Prayer) : Indeed Alssalat (Namaz, Prayer) restrains from shameful and unjust deeds; and advice of Allah is the greatest without doubt. And Allah knows the that you do (about Alssalat).
The visionary expalination of ALLAH's Commandments, about Alssalat by Muhammad PBUH. is that which is being practice at The House of ALLAH & The Mosque at Al-Medina(The city of Prophet PBUH).
Naeem
Ashik Ibrahim <ashmaxim@...> wrote:
Salamun Alaikkum Dear,Here Comes a common Platform....I really Thought You were Similar to Some people in our Kerala State of India...They are much more Quran Oriented....They derived a way how to do Namaz from Quran in Chronological Order....But when we go for a debate.....they will Say Utter foolishness...really you are far above them...Any way as per your Website YOU SHOULD CHANGE YOUR NO: 2 AGENDAFROM TOLU ISLAM SITE AGENDA NO: 2 "The Wahi as revealed by Allah is available in its final and complete form in the Holy Quran only, which is a guide for the human beings till eternity. Hence neither can any one receive the divine guidance directly from Allah nor can there be any Nabi or Rasool (messenger of Allah) any more. The Holy Quran is Allah's final and last Book and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is Allah's last Nabi and Rasool."SO HERE COMES MY QUESTION...MUSLIMS DO FIVE TIMES NAMAZ..????1) IF MUSLIMS ARE FOLLOWING ZOARASTRAIN NAMAZ THEN WHY YOU GOING TO MASJID DURING YOUR ANNUAL CELEBRATION.....DONT BLAME MUSLIM SCHOLARS....YOU ARE THE BIG LIERS..........2) "The Wahi as revealed by Allah is available in its final and complete form in the Holy Quran only"...EVERY MUSLIM ACCEPT QURAN IS THE FINAL WORD REVELAED....BUT IT DOESNT MEAN THAT WAHI WAS LIMITED ONLY FOR QURAN...THERE ARE TONS OF PROOFS THAT WAHI RECIEVED OTHER THAN IN HOLY BOOKS.....SO HOW YOU ACCEPTED QURAN DOESNT HAVE COMPLETE LINE OF ACTIONS PERFORMED IN NAMAZ...WE WILL TALK FUTHER AFTER YOUR COMMENTS...!!!!ASHIKSubject: Re: NAMAZ OF TOLU PARVEZIIn a message dated 2/16/2008 2:46:03 AM Central Standard Time, dosama_isb@... writes:
My Quaetion is...
DO Tolus Namaz to Allah..???
if Yes, HOW..? EXPLAIN EXACTLY THE CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER FROM QURAAN..???
This was my Question in detail..But your answer was Namaz in Zoarastrian and Islam...!!!!
Dare to Salam,
Ashik
There is a yearly convention of Tolu Islam in Lahore every year. All are invited to attend. When the time of Namaz approaches all guests are requested to go to the near by mosques to perform their Namaz. This is because of the reason that people especially the jealous Mullah type's spread lies and propaganda that those who read Tolu Islam have a different kind of Namaz. They do not.
As far as Allama GA Parvez is concerned, he belonged to the Hanfi/Sunni group and performed his Namaz like all Sunni's perform.
I hope this satisfies your inquisitiveness. I am myself no scholar but just a student of the Allama. The Quran does not give an exact chronological order of a Namaz.
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