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#37 From: "naeemuddin.khalid" <dosama_isb@...>
Date: Mon Sep 7, 2009 4:56 pm
Subject: Establish Al-Salat:!
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Salamun Alaikum! 

Dear Brother Pakistani Naujawan !

 

SO Tough Salah?
http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/toc.html  

 

ALLAH INFORM MUHAMMAD (P.B.U.H), WHICH IS RECORDED IN AL-KITAAB THAT:

 

And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand: then is there any that will receive admonition? [54:22]

 

We see the turning of your face (for guidance) in the sky: So We shall friend for you a Qiblah upon which you agree,  Turn then your face in the intersection(meeting point) of Masjid Al-Haram (The sacred Mosque) : Wherever you are, turn your faces in that intersection (meeting point). The people of the Book know well that that is the truth from their Lord. Nor is Allah unmindful of what they do. [2:144]

 

From where ever you exit  Thou startest forth, Turn then your face in the intersection(meeting point) of Masjid Al-Haram (The sacred Mosque); that is indeed the truth from the Lord. And Allah is not unmindful of what you do. [2:149]

 

From where ever you exit  Thou startest forth, Turn then your face in the intersection(meeting point) of Masjid Al-Haram (The sacred Mosque); and where so ever you are,

So turn your face at His intersection : that there be no argument against you among the people, except those of them that are bent on wickedness; so fear them not, but fear Me; and that I may complete My favours on you, and might possible that you become guided; [2:150]

 

IBRAHEEM (P.B.U.H), CLAIMING, WHICH IS RECORDED IN AL-KITAAB THAT:

Surely, I have turned my face, towards Him, Who created the heavens and the earth, and never shall I give partners to Allah.[6:79]

 

ALLAH INFORM MUHAMMAD (P.B.U.H), WHICH IS RECORDED IN AL-KITAAB THAT:

So if they dispute you, say: "I have submitted My face to Allah and so have those who follow me." And say to who have been given Al-Kitaab (The Book) and to those who are unlearned: "Do you submit yourselves?" If they do, they are in right guidance, but if they turn back, Your duty is to convey the Message; and in Allah's sight are (all) His servants. [3:20]

 

IBRAHEEM (P.B.U.H), REQUESTING, WHICH IS RECORDED IN AL-KITAAB THAT:

O my Lord! Make me who establishes Al-Salat, and also among my offspring, O our Lord! And You accept my request. [14:40]

 

ALLAH INFORM MUHAMMAD (P.B.U.H), WHICH IS RECORDED IN AL-KITAAB THAT:

Recite what is sent to you of AL-Kitaab (the Book) by inspiration, and establish Al-Salat:, indeed Al-Salat  restrains from shameful and unjust deeds; and remembrance of Allah is the greatest without doubt. And Allah knows what you do. [29:45]

 

And  We made Al-Bait (the House) a place of assembly for mankind and safety; and take you Mu'qaam-e-Ibraheem (the establishment of Ibraheem) as a Mu'sal'li (Salat offered); and We covenanted with Ibraheem and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for Al-Ta-ifeen (those who compass it round) , and Al-Aakifeen (use it as a retreat), and Al-Rukka (bow with people)  Al-Sujood (the prostrate).[2:125]

 

NOW LET ME KNOW MY GUIDED FRIENDS THAT :-

 

  1. Did Ibraheem (p.b.u.h) and Isma'il (p.b.u.h), fulfilled covenant to Allah?
  2. Which type of al-salat  Ibraheem (p.b.u.h) established for himself & his offspring?
  3. While offering AL-Salat in the House of ALLAH, Ibraheem (p.b.u.h) and Isma'il (p.b.u.h) & their offspring,  on which intersection were they faced?
  4. While in Makkah (before secret migration at night), on which intersection Muhammad (p.b.u.h) faced?
  5. When Kaba was declared Musjid-Al-Haram?
  6. Where is the First Muhra'ab of Musjid-e-Qub'ah?
  7.  Where is the First Muhra'ab of Musjid-e-Nabvi?

#36 From: "naeemuddin.khalid" <dosama_isb@...>
Date: Fri Sep 4, 2009 5:26 pm
Subject: MARRIED WOMEN
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Salamun Alaikum!
Dear Brother Moby Inayet !

WHAT AN AWFUL TRANSLATION.

SO I SHOULD TAKE والمحصنات من النساء  MEAN MARRIED WOMEN?

والمحصنات من النساء الا ما ملكت ايمانكم كتاب الله عليكم واحل لكم ما وراء ذلكم ان
تبتغوا باموالكم محصنين غير مسافحين فما ااستمتعم به منهن فاتوهن اجورهن فريضة ولا
جناح عليكم فيما تراضيتم به من بعد الفريضة ان الله كان عليما حكيما
[وَالْمُحْصَنَاتُ مِنَ النِّسَاءِ إِلاَّ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ كِتَابَ
اللّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ [4:24

IT TRANSLATE THAT:-

  والمحصنات من النساء MARRIED WOMEN ARE PROHABITED .

[5:5]   حل لهم والمحصنات من المؤمنات والمحصنات من الذين اوتوا الكتاب

NOW THIS SHOULD BE TRANSLATED THAT,

  والمحصنات من المؤمنات MARRIED WOMEN AMONG MAU'MINAAT &
  والمحصنات من الذين اوتوا الكتاب MARRIED WOMEN AMONG THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN
GIVEN THE BOOK ARE ALLOWED !

[4:25]   ومن لم يستطع منكم طولا ان ينكح المحصنات المؤمنات فمن ما

  IF SOME ONE DO NOT HAVE CAPABILITY TO MARRY المحصنات المؤمنات MARRIED WOMEN
MAU'MINAAT .....................


[والذين يرمون المحصنات   [24:4


  THOSE WHO MUD SLUG ON MARRIED (WOMEN) ...............

PLEASE OPEN YOUR EYES & DO NOT FOLLOW THE TRANGRESSORS WHO REPLACED THE MEANING
OF AYAAT S OF ALLAH!

  المحصنات  MEAN PROTECTED WOMEN . NOT THE MARRIED WOMEN .

[ 4:24] :  لكم ما وراء ذلكم ان تبتغوا باموالكم محصنين غير مسافحين فما  PROTECTOR

[5:5]   الكتاب من قبلكم اذا اتيتموهن اجورهن  محصنين غير مسافحين ولا  PROTECTOR

[ 21:9]    والتي احصنت فرجها فنفخنا فيها من روحنا وجعلناها وابنها اية للعالمين  
PROTECTED

WALSALAM.

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#33 From: "Naeemuddin. Khalid" <dosama_isb@...>
Date: Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:27 am
Subject: One Liners
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One Liners

[1] Regular naps prevent old age, especially if you take them while driving.

[2] Having one child makes you a parent; having two you are a referee.

[3] Marriage is a relationship in which one person is always right and the other is the husband!

[4] I believe we should all pay our tax with a smile. I tried - but they wanted cash.

[5] A child's greatest period of growth is the month after you've purchased new school uniforms.

[6] Don't feel bad. A lot of people have no talent.

[7] Don't marry the person you want to live with, marry the one you cannot live without, but whatever you do, you'll regret it later.

[8] You can't buy love, but you pay heavily for it.

[9] Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote.

[10] Laziness is nothing more than the habit of resting before you get tired.

[11] Marriage is give and take. You'd better give it to her or she'll take it anyway.

[12] My wife and I always compromise. I admit I'm wrong and she agrees with me.

[13] Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

[14] Ladies first. Pretty ladies sooner.

[15] A successful marriage requires falling in love many times, always with the same person.

[16] You're getting old when you enjoy remembering things more than doing them.

[17] It doesn't matter how often a married man changes his job, he still ends up with the same boss.

[18] Real friends are the ones who survive transitions between address books.

[19] Saving is the best thing. Especially when your parents have done it for you.

[20] Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools talk because they have to say something

[21] They call our language the mother tongue because the father seldom gets to speak!

[22] Man: Is there any way for long life?
Dr: Get married.
Man: Will it help?
Dr: No, but then the thought of long life will never come.

[23]Why do couples hold hands during their wedding? It's a formality just like two boxers shaking hands before the fight begins!

[24]Wife: Darling today is our anniversary, what should we do?
Husband: Let us stand in silence for 2 minutes.

[25]It's funny when people discuss Love Marriage vs Arranged. It's like asking someone, if suicide is better or being murdered.

[26]There is only one perfect child in the world and every mother has it.

[27]There is only one perfect wife in the world and every neighbor has it!
 

#32 From: "Naeemuddin. Khalid" <dosama_isb@...>
Date: Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:48 pm
Subject: Discover the 90/10 Principle.
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Discover the 90/10 Principle.

It will change your life (at least the way you react to situations).

What is this principle? 10% of life is made up of what happens to you. 90% of life is decided by how you react.

What does this mean? We really have no control over 10% of what happens to us.

We cannot stop the car from breaking down. The plane will be late arriving, which throws our whole schedule off. A driver may cut us off in traffic.

We have no control over this 10%. The other 90% is different. You determine the other 90%.

How? ……….By your reaction.

You cannot control a red light. but you can control your reaction. Don't let people fool you; YOU can control how you react.

Let's use an example.

You are eating breakfast with your family. Your daughter knocks over a cup of coffee onto your business shirt. You have no control over what just happened.

What happens next will be determined by how you react.

You curse.

You harshly scold your daughter for knocking the cup over. She breaks down in tears. After scolding her, you turn to your spouse and criticize her for placing the cup too close to the edge of the table. A short verbal battle follows. You storm upstairs and change your shirt. Back downstairs, you find your daughter has been too busy crying to finish breakfast and get ready for school. She misses the bus.

Your spouse must leave immediately for work. You rush to the car and drive your daughter to school. Because you are late, you drive 40 miles an hour in a 30 mph speed limit.

After a 15-minute delay and throwing $60 traffic fine away, you arrive at school. Your daughter runs into the building without saying goodbye. After arriving at the office 20 minutes late, you find you forgot your briefcase. Your day has started terrible. As it continues, it seems to get worse and worse. You look forward to coming home.

When you arrive home, you find small wedge in your relationship with your spouse and daughter.

Why? …. Because of how you reacted in the morning.

Why did you have a bad day?

A) Did the coffee cause it?

B) Did your daughter cause it?

C) Did the policeman cause it?

D) Did you cause it?

The answer is "D".

You had no control over what happened with the coffee. How you reacted in those 5 seconds is what caused your bad day.

Here is what could have and should have happened.

Coffee splashes over you. Your daughter is about to cry. You gently say, "Its ok honey, you just need to be more careful next time". Grabbing a towel you rush upstairs. After grabbing a new shirt and your briefcase, you come back down in time to look through the window and see your child getting on the bus. She turns and waves. You arrive 5 minutes early and cheerfully greet the staff. Your boss comments on how good the day you are having.

Notice the difference?

Two different scenarios. Both started the same. Both ended different.

Why?

Because of how you REACTED.

You really do not have any control over 10% of what happens. The other 90% was determined by your reaction.

Here are some ways to apply the 90/10 principle. If someone says something negative about you, don't be a sponge. Let the attack roll off like water on glass. You don't have to let the negative comment affect you!

React properly and it will not ruin your day. A wrong reaction could result in losing a friend, being fired, getting stressed out etc.

How do you react if someone cuts you off in traffic? Do you lose your temper? Pound on the steering wheel? A friend of mine had the steering wheel fall off) Do you curse? Does your blood pressure skyrocket? Do you try and bump them?

WHO CARES if you arrive ten seconds later at work? Why let the cars ruin your drive?

Remember the 90/10 principle, and do not worry about it.

You are told you lost your job.

Why lose sleep and get irritated? It will work out. Use your worrying energy and time into finding another job.

The plane is late; it is going to mangle your schedule for the day. Why take outpour frustration on the flight attendant? She has no control over what is going on.

Use your time to study, get to know the other passenger. Why get stressed out? It will just make things worse.

Now you know the 90-10 principle. Apply it and you will be amazed at the results. You will lose nothing if you try it. The 90-10 principle is incredible. Very few know and apply this principle.

The result?

Millions of people are suffering from undeserved stress, trials, problems and heartache. We all must understand and apply the 90/10 principle.

It CAN change your life!!!

Enjoy….


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Date: Tue Feb 3, 2009 4:22 pm
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Date: Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:02 pm
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#29 From: "Naeemuddin. Khalid" <dosama_isb@...>
Date: Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:01 pm
Subject: Amazing what they get away with isn't it.....
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Amazing what they get away with isn't it.....

 
Question: Which country alone in the Middle East has nuclear weapons? Answer: ISRAEL
 

Q: Which country in the Middle East refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections? Answer:ISRAEL.

 

Q: Which country in the Middle East seized the sovereign territory of other nations by military force and continues to occupy it in defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions? Answer: ISRAEL
 
 

Q: Which country in the Middle East routinely violates the international borders of another sovereign state with warplanes and artillery and naval gunfire? Answer: ISRAEL
 

Q: What American ally in the Middle East has for years sent assassins into other countries to kill its political enemies (a practice sometimes called exporting terrorism)? Answer:ISRAEL
 

Q: In which country in the Middle East have high-ranking military officers admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war were executed? Answer: ISRAEL
 
 
Q: What country in the Middle East refuses to prosecute its soldiers who have acknowledged executing prisoners of war? Answer: ISRAEL
 
 
Q: What country in the Middle East created 762,000 refugees and refuses to allow them to return to their homes, farms and businesses? Answer: ISRAEL
 
 
Q: What country in the Middle East refuses to pay compensation to people whose land, bank accounts and businesses it confiscated? Answer:ISRAEL
 
 
Q: In what country in the Middle East was a high-ranking United Nations diplomat assassinated? Answer: ISRAEL
 
 
 
Q: In what country in the Middle East did the man who ordered the assassination of a high-ranking U.N. diplomat become prime minister? Answer: ISRAEL
 
 
Q: What country in the Middle East blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a U.S. ship, the USS Liberty, in international waters, killing 34 and wounding 171 American sailors? Answer: ISRAEL
 
 
Q: What country in the Middle East employed a spy, Jonathan Pollard, to steal classified documents and then gave some of them to the Soviet Union ? Answer: ISRAEL
 
 
Q: What country at first denied any official connection to Pollard, then voted to make him a citizen and has continuously demanded that the American president grant Pollard a full pardon? Answer:ISRAEL
 
 
Q. What Middle East country allows American Jewish murderers to flee to its country to escape punishment in the United States and refuses to extradite them once in their custody? Answer:ISRAEL
 
Q. What Middle East country preaches against hate yet builds a shrine and a memorial for a murderer who killed 29 Palestinians while they prayed in their Mosque. Answer: ISRAEL 
 
Q: What country on Planet Earth has the second most powerful lobby in the United States, according to a recent Fortune magazine survey of Washington insiders? Answer: ISRAEL
 
 
Q. Which country in the Middle East deliberately targeted a U.N. Refugee Camp in Qana , Lebanon and killed 103 innocent men, women, and especially children? Answer: ISRAEL
 
 
Q: Which country in the Middle East is in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council resolutions and has been protected from 29 more by U.S. vetoes? Answer: ISRAEL
 
 
Q. Which country in the Middle East receives more than one-third of all U.S. aid yet is the 16th richest country in the world? Answer: ISRAEL
 
 
Q. Which country in the Middle East receives U.S. weapons for free and then sells the technology to the Republic of China even at the objections of the U.S. ? Answer: ISRAEL
 
 
Q. Which country in the Middle East routinely insults the American people by having its Prime Minister address the United States Congress and lecturing them like children on why they have no right to reduce foreign aid? Answer: ISRAEL
 
 
Q. Which country in the Middle East had its Prime Minister announce to his staff not to worry about what the United States says because "We control America ?" Answer: ISRAEL
 
 
Q. What country in the Middle East was cited by Amnesty International for demolishing more than 4000 innocent Palestinian homes as a means of ethnic cleansing. Answer:ISRAEL
 
Q. Which country in the Middle East has just recently used a weapon of mass destruction, a one-ton smart bomb, dropping it in the center of a highly populated area killing 15 civilians including 9 children? Answer: ISRAEL

Q. Which country in the Middle East routinely kills young Palestinian children for no reason other than throwing stones at armored vehicles, bulldozers, or tanks? Answer: ISRAEL
 
 
Q. Which country in the Middle East signed the Oslo Accords promising to halt any new Jewish Settlement construction, but instead, has built more than 270 new settlements since the signing? Answer: ISRAEL
 
 
Q. Which country in the Middle East has assassinated more than 100 political officials of its opponent in the last 2 years while killing hundreds of civilians in the process, including dozens of children? Answer: ISRAEL
 
 
Q.. Which country in the Middle East regularly violates the Geneva Convention by imposing collective punishment on entire towns, villages, and camps, for the acts of a few, and even goes as far as demolishing entire villages while people are still in their homes? Answer: ISRAEL

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#28 From: "Naeemuddin. Khalid" <dosama_isb@...>
Date: Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:58 pm
Subject: The Biggest Robbery of the 20th Century
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THE BIGGEST ROBBERY OF THE 20TH CENTURY IS

THE THEFT OF A WHOLE COUNTRY

OF A NATION...

 

OF... PALESTINE 

 

 

 

 

Please forward this to everyone who doesn't know about this fact, Most of us don't even know the actual situation.

 

 

 

Extracts of speech by Hafez A.B Mohamed: Director-General, Al Baraka Bank.

 Demographics:
 o World Jewish Population.  14 million
 o Distribution: 7 m in America
                       5 m in Asia
                       2 m in Europe
                       100 thousand in Africa
 o World Muslim Population: 1.5 billion
 o Distribution: 1 billion in Asia/Mid-East
                      400 M in Africa
                      44 M in Europe
                       6 M in the Americas
 o Every fifth human being is a Muslim.
 o For every single Hindu there are two Muslims
 o For every Buddhist there are two Muslims
 o For every Jew there are 107 Muslims
 o Yet the 14 million Jews are more powerful than the entire 1.5 billion Muslims
  
                            Why?
  
 Here are some of the reasons.
  
 Movers of Current History
 o  Albert Einstein             Jewish
 o  Sigmund Freud            Jewish
 o  Karl Marx                    Jewish
 o  Paul Samuelson           Jewish
 o  Milton Friedman         Jewish
  
 Medical Milestones
 o  Vaccinating Needle: Benjamin Ruben     Jewish
 o  Polio Vaccine          Jonas Salk             Jewish
 o  Leukaemia Drug     Gertrude Elion           Jewish
 o  Hepatitis B             Baruch Blumberg     Jewish
 o  Syphilis Drug         Paul Ehrlich             Jewish
 o  Neuro muscular      Elie Metchnikoff       Jewish
 o  Endocrinology         Andrew Schally       Jewish
 o  Cognitive therapy. Aaron Beck               Jewish
 o  Contraceptive Pill  Gregory Pincus         Jewish
 o  Understanding of Human Eye. G. Wald  Jewish
 o  Embryology.         Stanley Cohen          Jewish
 o  Kidney Dialysis     Willem Kloffcame      Jewish
  
 Nobel Prize Winners
 o  In the past 105 years, 14 million Jews have won 180 Nobel prizes whilst 1.5 billion Muslims have contributed only 3 Nobel winners
  
 
Inventions that changed History
 o  Micro- Processing Chip. Stanley Mezor            Jewish
 o  Nuclear Chain Reactor  Leo Sziland                  Jewish
 o  Optical Fibre Cable       Peter Schultz               Jewish
 o  Traffic Lights            Charles Adler                    Jewish
 o  Stainless Steel         Benno Strauss                 Jewish
 o  Sound Movies          Isador Kisee                     Jewish
 o  Telephone Microphone Emile Berliner                Jewish
 o  Video Tape Recorder Charles Ginsburg             Jewish
  
 Influential Global Business
 o  Polo             Ralph Lauren                  Jewish
 o  Coca Cola                                          Jewish
 o  Levi's Jeans    Levi Strauss                  Jewish
 o  Sawbuck's      Howard Schultz             Jewish
 o  Google          Sergey Brin                    Jewish
 o  Dell Computers  Michael Dell               Jewish
 o  Oracle       Larry Ellison                      Jewish
 o  DKNY       Donna Karan                      Jewish
 o  Baskin & Robbins     Irv Robbins          Jewish
 o  Dunkin Donuts   Bill Rosenberg           Jewish
  
 Influential Intellectuals/Politicians
 o  Henry Kissinger , US Sec of State                     Jewish
 o  Richard Levin, PresidentYaleUniversity             Jewish
 o  Alan Greenspan , US Federal Reserve               Jewish
 o  Joseph Lieberman                                           Jewish
 o  Madeleine Albright , US Sec of State                 Jewish
 o   CasperWeinberger , US Sec of Defence            Jewish
 o  Maxim Litvinov , USSR Foreign Minister             Jewish
 o   DavidMarshal , Singapore Chief Minister            Jewish
 o  Isaacs Isaacs, Gov-GenAustralia                      Jewish
 o  Benjamin Disraeli, British Statesman                Jewish
 o  Yevgeny Primakov, Russian PM                       Jewish
 o  Barry Goldwater , US Politician                         Jewish
 o  Jorge Sampaio, President Portugal                    Jewish
 o  Herb Gray, Canadian Deputy - PM                    Jewish
 o  Pierre Mendes, French PM                              Jewish
 o  Michael Howard, British Home Sec.                  Jewish
 o  Bruno Kriesky, Austrian Chancellor                  Jewish
 o  Robert Rubin , US Sec of Treasury                    Jewish
  
 Global Media Influential
 o  Wolf Blitzer,  CNN                                             Jewish
 o  Barbara Walters   ABC News                             Jewish
 o   EugeneMeyer , Washington Post                      Jewish
 o  Henry Grunwald, Time Magazine                        Jewish
 o  Katherine Graham , Washington Post                 Jewish
 o  Joseph Lelyeld, New York Times                       Jewish
 o  Max Frankel, New York Times                           Jewish
  
 Global Philanthropists
 o  George Soros                                                  Jewish
 o  Walter Annenberg                                            Jewish
  
  
Why are they powerful?   why are Muslims powerless?

Here's another reason. We have lost the capacity to produce knowledge.
  
 o  In the entire Muslim World (57 Muslim Countries) there are only 500 universities.
 o  In USA alone, 5,758 universities
 o  In India alone, 8,407 universities
 o  Not one university in the entire Islamic World features in the Top 500 Ranking Universities of the World
 o  Literacy in the Christian World  90%
 o  Literacy in the Muslim World     40%
 o  15 Christian majority-countries, literacy rate 100%
 o  Muslim majority - countries ,       None
 o  98% in Christian countries completed primary
 o  Only 50% in Muslim countries completed primary.
 o  40% in Christian countries attended university
 o  In Muslim countries a dismal 2% attended.
 o  Muslim majority countries have 230 scientists per one million Muslims
 o  The USA has 5000 per million
 o  The Christian world 1000 technicians per million.
 o  Entire Arab World only 50 technicians per million.
 o  Muslim World spends on research/development 0.2% of GDP
 o  Christian World spends 5 % of GDP
  
 Conclusion.
 o  The Muslim World lacks the capacity to produce knowledge.
  
 Another way of testing the degree of knowledge is the degree of diffusing knowledge.
  
 o   Pakistan 23 daily newspapers per 1000 citizens
 o   Singapore 460 per 1000 citizens.
 o  In UK book titles per million is 2000
 o  In Egypt book titles per million is only 17
  
 
Conclusion.
 o  Muslim World is failing to diffuse knowledge
  
 Applying Knowledge is another such test.
 o  Exports of high tech products from   Pakistan is 0.9% of its exports.
 o  In Saudi Arabia is 0.2%
 o   Kuwait , Morocco and Algeria 0.3%
 o   Singapore alone is 68%
  
 
Conclusion.
 o  Muslim World is failing to apply knowledge.
  
 What do you conclude?
    no need to tell the figures are speaking themselves very loudly we are unable to listen
Advice:
Please educate yourself and your children. always promote education, don't compromise on it, don't ignore your children's slightest misguidance from education (and please, for God's Sake, don't use your personal contacts or sources to promote your children in their education; if they fail, let them and make them learn to pass; b/c if they can't do it now, they can't ever).
We are World's biggest and strongest nation, all we need is to identify and explore our own selves. Our victory is with our knowledge, our creativity, our literacy...And nothing else.

....Wake up


#27 From: "Naeemuddin. Khalid" <dosama_isb@...>
Date: Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:20 am
Subject: Please Do Not Dial
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 Please Do Not Dial This When Asked, Please circulate URGENTLY. New Trick of

  Terrorists to Frame Innocent People!! if you receive a phone call on your Mobile from any person saying that they are checking your mobile line, and you have to press #90 or #09or any other number. End this call immediately without pressing any numbers. Friends there is a fraud company using a device that once you press #90 or #09they can access your SIM card and make calls at your expense. Forward this message to as many friends as u can,to stop it.  This information has been confirmed by both Motorola and Nokia. There are over 3 million affected mobile phones. You can check this news at CNN web site also.

Pls share the same with ur team and friends.


#26 From: "Naeemuddin. Khalid" <dosama_isb@...>
Date: Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:09 pm
Subject: AZEEM & BAWAQAR PAKISTANI
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/azeem_pakistan/

 
     

 

 

     
  

 

Pakistan is recognised on the victory stand by his Heroes who have brought laurals in the field of Education, Technology, Ethics, Human sacrifies for humanity and recognised at the World Forum.

They have really made Pakistan Azeem irrespective of their Creed, Race, Ethnicity or Religon.

Please dedicate them by sending their detail profile to us.

Lets discuss the achievements of The Heroes of Pakistan
 
 

#25 From: "Naeemuddin. Khalid" <dosama_isb@...>
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2009 7:31 pm
Subject: E-CODES of Food ingradiants
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Finally they decided to start a coding language, so that only their Departments of Food Administration should know what they are using, and the common man is left lurking in the dark.Thus, they started  E-CODES. These E- INGREDIENTS are present in a majority of products of  multinational firms including, but not limited to -

TOOTH PASTE,
SHAVING CREAM
CHEWING GUM,
CHOCOLATE,
SWEETS,
BISCUITS,
CORN FLAKES, TOFFEES,
CANNED FOODS,
FRUIT TINS,

Some medication Multi-vitamins Since these goods are being used in all MUSLIM Countries indiscrimately.

MUSLIMS or non pork eaters to check the ingredients of the ITEMS of daily use and match it with the following list of E-CODES. If any of the ingredients listed below is found, try to avoid it, as it has got PIG FAT;

E100,
E110,E120,E 140,E141, E153, E210, E213, E214, E216, E234,
E252,E270, E280, E325, E326, E327, E334, E335, E336, E337, E422, E430,
E431, E432, E433, E434, E435, E436, E440, E470, E471, E472, E473,
E474, E475,E476, E477, E478, E481, E482, E483, E491, E492, E493, E494,
E495, E542,E570, E572, E631, E635, E904.

Dr. M. Amjad Khan
Medical Research Institute
United States

Research of Beedari-e-Fikr Forum.

E100: An orange yellow colour derived from the root of the curcuma (turmeric) plant. http://www.ukfoodguide.net/e100.htm

E110:A synthetic 'coal tar' and azo yellow dye used in fermented foods which must be heat treated. Found in orange squash, orange jelly, marzipan, Swiss roll, apricot jam, citrus marmalade, lemon curd, sweets, hot chocolate mix and packet soups, breadcrumbs, cheese sauce, ice cream, canned fish, and many medications. http://www.ukfoodguide.net/e110.htm

E120:An expensive red colouring, not suitable for vegetarians as it is extracted from the crushed carcasses of the female Dactylopius coccus, a cactus-feeding scale insect, which are killed by either immersion in hot water or by exposure to sunlight, steam, or the heat of an oven. The variety in the appearance of commercial cochineal is caused by these differing extraction methods. http://www.ukfoodguide.net/e120.htm

E 140:Green colour occurs naturally in the cells of all plants and responsible for photosynthesis. A fairly unstable dye, which tends to fade easily (see E141). Not easy to obtain in a pure form and commercially available chloroyphyll usually contains other plant material impurities. http://www.ukfoodguide.net/e140.htm

E141:These colours are (i) an olive green oil soluble colour and (ii) water soluble green colour. http://www.ukfoodguide.net/e141.htm

Likewise we can check the E-codes as mentioned by Dr.

http://www.ukfoodguide.net/enumeric.htm#indexcolours.

IT IS GOOD TO INFORM PROPLE ABOUT THE HAPPENNING IN THE WORLD, BUT IT SHOULD MUST BE CONFIRMED BEFORE PASSING IT ON!
PLEASE CLICK ON THIS LINK & FIND THE E-CODES.

#24 From: "Naeemuddin. Khalid" <dosama_isb@...>
Date: Mon Dec 1, 2008 7:25 pm
Subject: Mumbay Terror; who are the beneficieries?
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Who are the beneficieries of Mumbai Terror? Hindu fascist organizations and its parent 'BJP'!
 
1.    Unlike other terrorists, Terrorists in Mumbay has not demanded anything? They don't demand release of their co-prisoners nor demanded money... why?? what was their target then?
 
2.    Unlike other islamic Jehadis with beard and turbans, why Mumbai terrorists came with strange look - they wore jeans and T-shirts; clean-shaved and no turbans nor any sign of muslims terrorists we normally watch on media?
 
3.    And the Terrorists attackers did nothing specifically for western, even Israelis, it was sure if they were Jehadists!
 
4    Beer driking terrorists; Jehadi terrorists and non-alcoholic, however Mumbai Terrorists goes to the cafe and drinks beer before they start firing?? 
 
5.    Mumbai terrorists (as shown by media) had close similarities with RSS cadres: Mumbai terrorist wearing an yellow band on his right hand as RSS cadres wears normally (see pictures).
 
6.    Mumbai terrorists immediately find their targets by killing ATS leaders [Hemant Karakare, CP Ashok Kamthe & Vijay Salskar) in early hours of their terror? How they so specific the clearly chose ATS leaders? And the terrorist immediately ran away, why? & who was that terrorist?
 
7.    Only one terrorists is caught lively (?), all others killed as in every encounter in recent past?
 
8.    Mumbai terrorits are very clear about their targets, they are well experienced their hide abouts in Taj and other places?
 
9.    Prime Minister, Sonia & LK Advani visits Mumbai, but no clues or no claims about ISI or Pakistan.. However No1 terrorist, Gujarat CM Modi hurry-up to Mumbai and declares that Pakistan is behind the attack without any doubt! [because he is the one who hired them]
Note: no other CMs goes to Mumbai..
And he offers rewards to every military men killed of 1 crore unlike PM and LK Advani? Even he offers aid to MahaRastra!
 
10.    Media was widely reporting that there were IDs of terrorists recovered which shows Malaysian and Mauritious IDs however such references disappeared once Terrorist leader Modi's arrival!
 
11    The timing of Mumbay terror is well planned, just before state elections!
 
12.    We are told that they came from Pakistan by sea? Indian military in boards sea were sleeping?? We told they came by speed boats? Yes, but not from Pakistan but from Gujarat!
 
13.    It took contineous 60 hours to stop the terrorism! and most of terrorists killed!!

#23 From: "Naeemuddin. Khalid" <dosama_isb@...>
Date: Mon Dec 1, 2008 7:21 pm
Subject: The Best 50 of Murphy's Law
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ط      The Best 50 of Murphy's Law

  

1.      You can never tell which way the train went by looking at the track.

2.      Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence..

3.      Whenever a system becomes completely defined, some damn fool discovers something which either abolishes the system or expands it beyond recognition.

4.      Technology is dominated by those who manage what they do not understand.

5.      If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization. The opulence of the front office decor varies inversely with the fundamental solvency of the firm.

6.      The attention span of a computer is only as long as it electrical cord.

7.      An expert is one who knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing.

8.      Tell a man there are 300 billion stars in the universe and he'll believe you. Tell him a bench has wet paint on it and he'll have to touch to be sure.

9.      All great discoveries are made by mistake.

10.  Always draw your curves, then plot your reading.

11.  Nothing ever gets built on schedule or within budget.

12.  All's well that ends.

13.  A meeting is an event at which the minutes are kept and the hours are lost.

14.  The first myth of management is that it exists.

15.  A failure will not appear till a unit has passed final inspection.

16.  New systems generate new problems.

17.  To err is human, but to really foul things up requires a computer.

18.  We don't know one millionth of one percent about anything.

19.  Any given program, when running, is obsolete.

20.  Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

21.  A computer makes as many mistakes in two seconds as 20 men working 20 years make.

22.  The faster a computer is, the faster it will reach a crashed state.

23.  Nothing motivates a man more than to see his boss putting in an honest day's work.

24.  Some people manage by the book, even though they don't know who wrote the book or even what book.

25.  The primary function of the design engineer is to make things difficult for the fabricator and impossible for the serviceman.

26.  To spot the expert, pick the one who predicts the job will take the longest and cost the most.

27.  After all is said and done, a hell of a lot more is said than done.

28.  Any circuit design must contain at least one part which is obsolete, two parts which are unobtainable and three parts which are still under development.

29.  A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works.

30.  If mathematically you end up with the incorrect answer, try multiplying by the page number.

31.  Computers are unreliable, but humans are even more unreliable.

32.  Any system which depends on human reliability is unreliable.

33.  Give all orders verbally. Never write anything down that might go into a "Pearl Harbor File."

34.  Under the most rigorously controlled conditions of pressure, temperature, volume, humidity, and other variables the organism will do as it damn well pleases.

35.  If you can't understand it, it is intuitively obvious.

36.  The more cordial the buyer's secretary, the greater the odds that the competition already has the order.

37.  In designing any type of construction, no overall dimension can be totalled correctly after 4:30 p.m. On Friday.

38.  The correct total will become self-evident at 8:15 a.m. On Monday.

39.  Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. And scratch where it itches.

40.  All things are possible except skiing through a revolving door.

41.  The only perfect science is hind-sight.

42.  If it's not in the computer, it doesn't exist.

43.  If an experiment works, something has gone wrong.

44.  When all else fails, read the instructions.

45.  If there is a possibility of several things going wrong the one that will cause the most damage will be the one to go wrong.

46.  Everything that goes up must come down.

47.  Any instrument when dropped will roll into the least accessible corner.

48.  Any simple theory will be worded in the most complicated way.

49.  Build a system that even a fool can use and only a fool will want to use it.

50.  The degree of technical competence is inversely proportional to the level of management.


#20 From: "Naeem-ud-din.Khalid" <shekhuzai@...>
Date: Mon Apr 7, 2008 11:28 pm
Subject: 4 Questions of Jews to Imam Ali AS
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Dear Faran Hussain, Please reply the following Questions & comments are in RED?
1. Which was that tribe who just become Muslim on 5 Qs of Ali ibn-e-Abutalib?
2.  Why he forgot Who brought Message for King Soloman?
3. The inspiration is only made to Prophets, Why he forgot to mention "BEE" who was inspired by ALLAH?
4. If these Qs, which you mentioned, now put to Jews will they embrace ISLAM, Becuase the facts which were true yesterday should also give same results Today.
5.From where Jewish Scholar Framed these 4 Qs & Why not 100 Qs to test the knowledge of illitrate Muslims .
 
  

Faran Hussain <faranhussain@...> wrote:
The Four Questions Asked Imam Ali(a,s) By The Jews
THE FOUR QUESTIONS

Imam Ali (A.S.) was always available ( at KUFA his Kingdom) when the three khalifa sought his advice on religious matters. His position as the jurist was on the top of the list among the companions of the Holy Prophet (saw) (being His SON in Law) . Umar Ibne Khattab the 2nd Caliph had given clear instructions that when Ali was present in the mosque of the Prophet no one should take precedence over him in answering questions on religious matters (Not Authentic) . In one such encounter during the time of the 2nd Caliph, a group of Jewish scholars approached the caliph and said, "We have a few questions. If we get the answers to these questions correctly, we will accept the Islamic faith.

"Ask whatever you want to ask," said the caliph.

They asked the following questions:
1. What are the locks and keys of heaven?
2. Who was the messenger who was neither of the human nor of the Jinn and who warned his people?
3. Which are the 5 beings who were created without ! the aid of ovaries?
4. What are one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven and twelve?

The caliph Umer (The biggest enemy of Shia's)  thought over these questions for a time, then said, "I do not know the answers to these questions. I will take you to a man who is most knowledgeable in the commandments of Allah and the Holy Prophet and the greatest among us (According to Allah the ranking of All Caliphs are the one according to which they succeeded the throne).

The caliph then brought the Jewish scholars to Ali (a.s.) (when he was at Kufa) . They asked the same questions to him. Ali (a.s.) answered thus:

1. The locks of the heavens are beliefs in more than one god, and its keys are the letters of "La Ilaha Illallah, Muhammad-Ur- Rasulallah." (Jews never believes in this.) 

2. The messenger (whose messengers was this) who warned his people is the ant who, when Solomon's army was passing by, said to his people, " Enter your houses so that the army may not stamp you out (without intention)". So Allah states in the Holy Qur'an, " Until they came to the valley of the Ants, said an ant (addressing the other ants of the valley) O" you ants' enter into! your dwellings, so that Solomon and his hosts may not crush you while they know it not". (Sura An-Naml. V 18)

3. The five beings who were not born of ovaries are: Adam, Eve, the staff of Moses which used to change into a python, the camel of Saleh, and the sheep of Ibrahim (which was sent by Allah to become a ransom of the life of Ibrahim's son Ismael). (Why those living being are forgotten whose Mother's and/or Father's Name are not mentioned in Kitaab ALLAH).

4.
· One is Allah who has no partners,
 
· two are Adam and Eve,
(Why he forget Satan, Malaika & Jinns just to fit the counting, Adam is also One From him, his mate was created they are not Two) 
 
· three are the substances ( i.e. non-living matter, plants and animals), (Substances are Two Organic & Non-Organic)
 
· four are the Heavenly books: Torah of Moses, Bible of Jesus, Zubur of Dawood and the Qur'an of Hadhrat Muhammad (saw).
( Why he forgot this Ayat that Allah sent The Book with all Prophets :
Mankind was one single nation, and Allah sent Prophets with glad tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth, to judge between people in matters wherein they differed; ......................[2:213]
 
· Five are the daily prayers.  (Not Mentioned in Quraan)
 
· Six are the days of creation of the heavens and earth (According to Bible too) , as per the verse of the Qur'an: " And indeed We created the heavens and the earth and what is between them two, in six periods and touched us not any fatigue." (Sura Qaf V. 38).
 
· Seven are the seven heavens (According to Bible too) , in the light of the Qur'anic Verse: " And we have erected above you the seven strong ones." (Sura An-Naba V12)
(Seven is also mentioned in [2:261] , [12:43] , [12:46] , [12:47] , [12:48] , 23:17] & [69:7] )
 
· Eight are those angels who bear the heavens, as per the Qur'anic Verse: " And the angels shall be on the side of it; and above them shall bear that day `Arsh' (the throne of authority). of your Lord, eight of them (Sura Al-Haaqqah. V.17) (Please read the Ayat [69:17]
where its mentioned eight angels? Its not in Arabic text of Quraan I have might be it is in yours! beside Eightis also mentioned in [6:143] , [12:20] , [18:22] , [28:27] & [69:7]  )
 
· Nine are the nine signs given to Moses as stated by God: "And indeed we gave Moses nine clear signs (miracles); so ask the children of Israel when he came to them, Pharaoh said to him; "Verily I deem you O' Moses one bewitched. "(Sura Bani Israel, V 101).
(Nine is also mentioned in [18:25] , [27:48] & [74:30] )
 
· Ten are the ten days, i.e. God had promised Moses that he would stay on the mountain of Toor for thirty days, and later added ten more days to this duration, as it is stated in the Qur'an." And we made an appointment with Moses for thirty nights and completed it with ten more;" Thus was completed the term of his Lord, forty nights, and (before he went up) Moses said to his brother Aaron: You take my place among my people, act rightly and follow not the path of the mischief-makers." (Sura Al-A'araf. V.142).
(Ten is also mentioned in [2:196] , [5:89] , [6:160] , [11:13] , [20:103] , [89:2] )
 
· Eleven are the brothers of Joseph, son of Jacob as the Qur'an states, "When said Joseph to his father, O' my father; Verily I did see (dream) eleven stars and the sun and the moon,, I saw them all prostrating to me." (Sura Yousuf. V.4).
(So According to Allah stars mean Brothers & what does Sun & moon stands for? ), 
 
· Twelve are the Twelve water-springs manifested by the staff of Moses, as God states, " And (remember) when Moses sought water for his people; said We, `Strike the rock with your staff' Then gushed out therefrom twelve springs; each people knew their drinking place; "Eat and drink God's provision, and commit not evil in the earth acting mischievously. "(Sura Al Baqarah V60).
(Why not 12 Tribes of Bani Israel [5:12] & [7:160]  ?


When the Jewish scholars heard the replies of Hadhrat Ali (a.s.) they said, "We bear witness that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad (saw) is His Messenger . They all embraced Islam, went back to their tribe and converted all of them to Islam.

#19 From: "Naeem-ud-din.Khalid" <shekhuzai@...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:28 pm
Subject: ROOTI KAPRA AUR MAKAN
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THEY GO (FOR GUNGA ASHNAN) THEY COME(AFTER GANGA ASHNAN)  ,

THE SEA SAW OF THIEVES!

POOR AWAM CLAPPING,  FOR NEXT ACT OF SAME EPISODE !

ROOTI  KAPRA AUR MAKAN

MANG RAHA HAIY HER AIK AWAM!

CHAUDRY, ZARZADI, MIAN, MAHJINS (GENERALS & ESTABLISHMENT) !

KO DAYTAY RAHOO TUM DAWAM!

BARI BARI PINGAIN BURHAIEN,

AIK SAY AIK YE UNCHA JAIN!

AWAM KO YEH TOURAIN DEKHAIN,

AMRECA SAY YEH DIL LAGAIN,

OOPER SAY YEH GUSAH DEKHAIN,

APANIY WAHAN YEH GHAR BANIYEN,

UN SAIY RABT KI YE QASAM UTHAIEN,

UN KAIY BACHAIY UNCHI SHAN,

ROOTI  KAPRA AUR MAKAN

MANG RAHA HAIY HER AIK AWAM!


Sajjada987@... wrote:

The world's notorious, most corrupt and thieving Generals of the Pakistani Army
(most of them are) have been dealt a miserable defeat by the Pakistani people.
The many Army officers refused to stuff the ballot boxes of the inept, conniving and power hungry Generals. The nation salutes them and the Jawaans.

The PPP has won 87 seats so far, according to the website of private TV network, Geo. The PML-N, or Pakistani Muslim League-Nawaz, which is led by another former PM, Nawaz Sharif, has 66 seats so far. Mr Sharif said earlier on Tuesday that he was prepared to discuss joining a coalition with Mr Zardari's party in order "to rid Pakistan of dictatorship forever". The two parties have a combined total of 153 seats. The main party backing President Pervez Musharraf, the PML-Q, has already admitted defeat.


sajjad


#18 From: "Naeem-ud-din.Khalid" <shekhuzai@...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:00 pm
Subject: IMPORTANCE OF Masjid IN FIRST HIJRAH.
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IMPORTANCE OF Masjid IN FIRST HIJRAH.

1. IT IS A PURCHASED PLOT BY GOVT.

2. IT COMMUNITY CENTER FOR LOCAL POPULATION.

3. ITS INN FOR VISITOR.

4. IT IS PLACE OF :-

    a. The Education (related to): Socialogy, Human sciences, Ethics, Law (National & International), Politics, Behavioural Science, Foreign affairs, Astronomy, Languages,  Oceanoloy, Militry, Fiscal Policy, etc, et .
    b. The Administration Office .

    c. The Justice Department.

    d. The Law Enforcing Department.

    e. The Fiscal Department.

    f.  The Local, Tehsil, Dist, Province & Centeral Govt Offices.

4. IT IS PLACE of Joint Cheif of Staffs and its under commmand staffs.

4. IT IS PLACE of Constituent Assembly.

5. IT IS PLACE of Head of The Parliament.

4. IT IS PLACE of Head of The State.

 

THATS WHY "Mullah ki daur, Masjid tak" HOTI THI.

and NOW,

Do you (mullah), equalise the (1) drink to the visitors or (2) the maintenance of the Sacred Mosque, to those

who(Mujahid) Trust in Allah and the Last Day  and strive in the Way of Allah(as taught you from His Al-Kitaab)? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah: and Allah guides not those who do wrong. (Al-Kitaab C:9 V:19)

 

There is no differance in the words & the literal meaning of Kitaab Allah, But!

The understanding of Mullah & Mujahid stand differs in the Call (of duty)  

 



Lal Gehi <lalhgehi@...> wrote:

Mullah ki daur, Masjid tak
Hindu ki daur, Manzil tak

Lal

#17 From: "Naeem-ud-din.Khalid" <shekhuzai@...>
Date: Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:14 pm
Subject: SERIOUS: 'IF NAMAZ WAS SO IMPORTANT THEN ?
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Iftikhar Khan, My comments & Quetions & Comments are in read u can not satsfy me b/c this answer is just hoodwinging as being done in the past. You have to be specific, NO ifs or Buts. This is era of Logic & Clear Understanding, Not hotch potch & declaring some one out of religon Islam on which oneself is not cleared. Naeem
 
Iftikhar Khan <iftikharkhan1980@...> wrote:Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:59:49 +0000
Assalam-u-Alikum,
 
My friend, you wrote: 

'IF NAMAZ WAS SO IMPORTANT THEN WHY ALL THESE ADMONISHMENT YOU MENTIONED ARE NOT IN KITAAB ALLAH?'
 
Well its a good question and it has very simple answer. Allah has ordered to pray various times in the Glorious Quran but no where mentioned How to pray. What is the right way to pray? How we came to know how to pray? Allah has mentioned various times to Fast, to do Haj and to Pay Zaka but we came to know how to carry on these tasks exactly from The Prophet (P.B.U.H) actions or (Hadith).
 
Fast is cleared in detail by Allah.
(1)- Why Fast is practiced & Who will & in which month? (2/185,184) .
(2)- Since when Fast is being Practiced(2/183).
(3)-Time prescribed for Fasting((2/187).
(4)- Fast as repentance of various follies (2/196, 4/92, 5/89, 5/95, 58/4).
(5)- Can Fast be practiced to achieve good deed? (19/26).
 
Hajj is cleared in detail by Allah.
(1)-When it starts . (2/189).
(2)-In which month? Those who abide to perform this duty whats binding? (2/197)
(3)-How prohibited months lies according to ALLAH.(2/194)  
(4)-How many prohibited months in a year & since when these are declared? (9/36)  
(5)-For whome Hajj & Umrah has to be performed? (2/196)  
(6)-Who gives the call for Hajj (9/3)  
(7)-Where Hajj should be performed ? (22/27, 2/198)  
(8)-Who should abide to perform Hajj? (3/97)  
(9)- Under certain cricumstances Hajj prescribed days can be shortened? (2/203)  
 
Zakawt is cleared in detail by Allah.
(1)- For whom Zakawt is prescribed? (7/156, 9/18, 9/71, 24/56)
(2)- What is established Deen? (98/5)   
(2)- Zakawt is established at stationary places or in move? (22/41)  
(3)- Zakawt is established spritually or acctually being Practced? (22/4)
(4)- Why Zakawt is Practiced? (30/39) 
(5)- Should women also practice it? (33/33)
(6)- Near Allah how people's wealth increases? (30/39)
(7)- What effects it have on individual? (87/14)
(8)- Is Zakawt involves monitory activity? (9/103)
 
Now if you see all Ayaats in relation to Sadaqat, Nazar, Infaaq & Khairaat, You will find thes all purifies Muslims Debit Account & turn it into Credit Account near ALLAH. Now Question arises what is the, "Nisaab". The wealth in which your effort is not involved it is 20% (8/41) of the received wealth the moment it is received.  But the wealth for you have efforted your descretion 1% to 20%. like wise Sadaqat (1% to 20%), Nazar (1% to 20%), , Infaaq(1% to 20%),  & Khairaat(1% to 20%).
What ever ALLAH has bless us, in economical affair through our capabilities which he has distributed among us according to His Planning. He demands from us in term of wealth portion(6/141),             

If I accept you wordings then one can ask a questions where Allah has ordered to pray like you are doing and no single muslim can show his method of praying is in Holy Book Quran. So its order of Allah to pray but no one is praying according to order of Allah. Strange! So we also need to follow sunat-Nabvi in order to fully follow what quran says. And whatever prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) did or said was according to order of Allah as he knew people will follow him in all deeds.
 
Yes Slawt was establiseh by him we are advised to follow the slawt being established at Station of Ibraheem.
 
[2:125] Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take you the station of Ibraheem as a prayer established; and We covenanted with Ibraheem and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).  
 
So simple answer is my prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) did that or said that according to order of Allah, so I am following. However it is important to verify that he actually said that or did and no one is just falsely propagating this. So best method is to Follow two hadith books only although scholars of Islam also consider rest of 4 and are of opinon that these books  contain Hassan Hadith's.
Are you following the same order which Muhammad (P.B.U.H) obeyed than good if not then do it.
 
Which two hadith books you think to be most accurate & authentic tell me I will postmartem them. 
 
I hope I have answered your question satisfactorily. If not I think you should search by yourself and if its not a Hassan Hadith please let me know also.  As quest for knowledge is obligation on every muslim.
 
Hassan Hadiths are only in the Book of ALLAH you deny this? That Excpet ALLAH no body on this plannet Earth can bless Ahsan Al-Hadith!
In what Hadees after Allahs (Hadees) will they then believe?

[7:85] Do they see nothing in the government of the heavens and the earth and all that Allah hath created? (Do they not see) that it may well be that their term is nigh drawing to an end? In what " Hadees after this will they then believe? THAT

Allah has revealed Ahsan Al-Hadees (The best Narrations): in writing !

[39 :23] Allah has revealed Ahsan Al-Hadees:in writing (in the form of a Book) in it are equally similar ( in its teaching about various aspects): the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften on the advice of Allah. This (Ahsan Al-Hadees) is the guidance of Allah: He guides with it whom He wishes, and to whom Allah leaves to stray can have none to guide (Haad).

Regards and Wa-salam,
 
Iftikhar Ahmed


#16 From: "Naeem-ud-din.Khalid" <shekhuzai@...>
Date: Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:12 am
Subject: NAMAZ OF TOLU PARVEZI
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Dear Mr. Ashik Ibrahim , If you under statnd urdu, I get this from Tolu Islam
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The First Massage is from Kitaab ALLAH (6:196) with exact referance,  other Message is refered to Muhammad PBUH (just book ref).
 
One is Commandment & other is visionary expalination of Commandment, by Muhammad PBUH.
 
Because we do not found any thing refered to Muhammad PBUH, before revelation of Commandments of ALLAH.
 
The First Massage cannot be denied being ALLAHs Commandment, as far as second message is concerned you have to verify it authneticate it through various codes, e.g is is-ur-rijaal ete etc. Like these other messages you can have doubt about their authenticiy you can not just in ONE WORLD validate, "All books compiled by IRANIAN (Tibri (Tibristan), Bukhari, Muslim(Neshapori), Abudauood(Seestanie), Ibn-e-maja (Qazveenie), Tirmizi, Nasai (Khurasani)) has 100% corrrect visionary expalination of Commandment, by Muhammad PBUH.
 
Whereas none of a Muslim on this plannet earth you will find, who deny to say that Kitaab ALLAH is not 100% correct in its commandments. As far as its 100% practice is concerned its is not possible for us, having many err in our peronality, because every one of us are not similar in traits given by ALLAH.
(16:69) (O,Bee) Then to eat of all the produce, and find with skill the spacious paths of its Lord: there issues from within their bodies a drink of varying colours, wherein is healing for men: verily in this is a Sign for those who give thought.
Do you think ever BEE is practing the commandment as ordered?
 
So now you have to decide which book is the most authentic & which is less. The less authnetic NEWS can not superceede the authnetic NEWS both books, e.g Kitaab ALLAH & Kutubs min doon ALLAH  are NEWS for us. 
 
After Commenting: EVERY MUSLIM ACCEPT QURAN IS THE FINAL WORD REVELAED....BUT IT DOESNT MEAN THAT WAHI WAS LIMITED ONLY FOR QURAN...THERE ARE TONS OF PROOFS THAT WAHI RECIEVED OTHER THAN IN HOLY BOOKS.....
 
1). Wahie : need not to give tons of proof to revelation of Wahie other than Quraan, i will give you few proof for your usnderstanding about wahi, yes it is other than Quraan, because Wahie is The blessing of ALLAH.
(16:68) And Your Lord Wahi (taught) the Bee to build its cells in hills, on trees, and in (men's) habitations;
I believe the Wahie like, wich is reveled to BEE, is also revealed to every ceature in the uiverse .Therefore other then Quraan
I receive following Wahi from ALLAH as human being, just poder!!
1). Oh, Human being make Bulb. mobile, TV, Aeroplane etc etc
2). Oh, Human being make Medicine for healing for me,  etc etc
3). Oh, Human being make every thing for human prosperity,  etc etc
SATAN & his associates receive following Wahi from ALLAH !!
1). Oh, Satan from jinkind & mankind invent Golden phrasis to distract my believer form my Path. (6:112)
2). Oh, Satan from jinkind & mankind, invent stories full of lie to distract my believer form my Path.(26:222-223)
3). Oh, Satan from jinkind & mankind, invent poetic non-practicable lyrics to distract my believer form my Path. .(26:222-223)
Like this you can have TONS of WAHIE ok,
But these are nothing more than visionary expalination of ALLAH's Commandments, which you may accept or reject it will not convert you in to Kufr, But if you reject ALLAH's Commandments inscribed in Kitaab ALLAH (Al-Quraan) you will become REJECTOR (KAFIR)   
you asked:
SO HOW YOU ACCEPTED QURAN DOESNT HAVE COMPLETE LINE OF ACTIONS PERFORMED IN NAMAZ...
2). Wahie : about Salwat is:
(29:45) Recite what is Wahie to you from the Book (Al-Kitaab), and establish Alssalat (Namaz, Prayer) : Indeed Alssalat (Namaz, Prayer) restrains from shameful and unjust deeds; and advice of Allah is the greatest without doubt. And Allah knows the that you do (about Alssalat).
 
The visionary expalination of ALLAH's Commandments,  about Alssalat by Muhammad PBUH. is that which is being practice at The House of ALLAH & The Mosque at Al-Medina(The city of Prophet PBUH).
 
Naeem
 
 
Ashik Ibrahim <ashmaxim@...> wrote:
Salamun Alaikkum Dear,
 
Here Comes a  common Platform....
 
I really Thought You were Similar to Some people in our Kerala State of India...They are much more Quran Oriented....They derived a way how to do Namaz from Quran in Chronological Order....But when we go for a debate.....they will Say Utter foolishness...
 
really you are far above them...
 
Any way as per your Website YOU SHOULD CHANGE YOUR NO: 2 AGENDA
 
FROM TOLU ISLAM SITE  AGENDA NO: 2 "The Wahi as revealed by Allah is available in its final and complete form in the Holy Quran only, which is a guide for the human beings till eternity. Hence neither can any one receive the divine guidance directly from Allah nor can there be any Nabi or Rasool (messenger of Allah) any more. The Holy Quran is Allah's final and last Book and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is Allah's last Nabi and Rasool."
 
SO HERE COMES MY QUESTION...MUSLIMS DO FIVE TIMES NAMAZ..????
 
1) IF MUSLIMS ARE FOLLOWING ZOARASTRAIN NAMAZ THEN WHY YOU GOING TO MASJID DURING YOUR ANNUAL CELEBRATION.....DONT BLAME MUSLIM SCHOLARS....YOU ARE THE BIG LIERS..........
 
2) "The Wahi as revealed by Allah is available in its final and complete form in the Holy Quran only"...
 
EVERY MUSLIM ACCEPT QURAN IS THE FINAL WORD REVELAED....BUT IT DOESNT MEAN THAT WAHI WAS LIMITED ONLY FOR QURAN...THERE ARE TONS OF PROOFS THAT WAHI RECIEVED OTHER THAN IN HOLY BOOKS.....
 
 
SO HOW YOU ACCEPTED QURAN DOESNT HAVE COMPLETE LINE OF ACTIONS PERFORMED IN NAMAZ...
 
WE WILL TALK FUTHER AFTER YOUR COMMENTS...!!!!
 
 
ASHIK
 
Subject: Re: NAMAZ OF TOLU PARVEZI

In a message dated 2/16/2008 2:46:03 AM Central Standard Time, dosama_isb@... writes:


My Quaetion is...

DO Tolus Namaz to Allah..???
if Yes, HOW..? EXPLAIN EXACTLY THE CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER FROM QURAAN..???

This was my Question in detail..But your answer was Namaz in Zoarastrian and Islam...!!!!

Dare to Salam,

Ashik


There is a yearly convention of Tolu Islam in Lahore every year. All are invited to attend. When the time of Namaz approaches all guests are requested to go to the near by mosques to perform their Namaz. This is because of the reason that people especially the jealous Mullah type's spread lies and propaganda that those who read Tolu Islam have a different kind of Namaz. They do not.
As far as Allama GA Parvez is concerned, he belonged to the Hanfi/Sunni group and performed his Namaz like all Sunni's perform.
I hope this satisfies your inquisitiveness. I am myself no scholar but just a student of the Allama. The Quran does not give an exact chronological order of a Namaz.
Visit this site for more questions or answers.

Tolu Islam

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#15 From: "Naeem-ud-din.Khalid" <shekhuzai@...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:41 pm
Subject: Prohibition is on Usury & not Interest = Profit and Profiteering - Islamic eco
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Dear Khan Arif , you have mentioned all the Ayaats which have the root word, "Naf'aa" (Profit). Though this word clearly define what is profit? According to Allah for human being is "satisfation from ones deeds/efforts" is profit (spritually or materially).  

002.102 :  Its regarding separtion between man & his partner by fabricated Fitwas by.......

002.123 :  It is regarding the Profit on the Day of Judgement will not be shared.........

002.164 :  It is regarding the sailing of ships across the ocean which has profit for mankind;

etc. http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?root=%D9%86%D9%81%D8%B9%0D

But there are total 49 words none of them describing our "Naf'aa" (Profit) system.

Only one Ayat define the "Naf'aa" (Profit) from wealth :

[26:88] "The Day whereon neither wealth nor sons will Profit(spritually).

You ride on a camel, a profit. You eat cow after caretaking her, a profit, you help other , a profit. you get beefit from earth, a profit, you earn less or more profit from ALLAH's creations. your all belonging are your wealth & you get profit out of these.

Allah do not talk about currency profif, rather he discuss the barter profit which you get by exchaging each other his blessings, animal, birds, food  & other animities of daily usage. But your barter should not be "Opprsssive", which is not at all allowed by ALLAH. Al-Riba is an oppressive activity, which monoplised tha basic needs of the humanity. Eccessive multiplied profit, is the  worst form of an, "oppression".

The best condition in the system of trade (Tajarah)  of agreement (Biyyah)  for a profit taker is described  as ,"for you the Heads (10%) of your Wealth (Principlal Amounts), "falakum Ruoosu Amwali' kum".

http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?root=%D9%85%D9%88%D9%84%0D

Muhammad PBUH Said:  "O you who trust(in Allah's commandments)! do not Eat your wealth among yourselves with forbidden way: except you do trade (Tjjarah) among you by mutual consent: Nor kill yourselves: for verily Allah hath been to you Most Merciful! [4:29] 

Forbidden Ways are:-

Muhammad PBUH Said: And do not eat up your property among yourselves for vanities, nor use it as bait for the judges, with intent that ye may eat up wrongfully and knowingly a little of (other) people's property. [2:188]

Muhammad PBUH Said: To orphans restore their property (When they reach their age), nor substitute (your) worthless things for (their) good ones; and devour not their substance (by mixing it up) with your won. For this is indeed a great sin. [4:2]

Muhammad PBUH Said:  To those weak of understanding do not manke thier property yours, which Allah has made a means of support for you, but feed and clothe them therewith, and speak to them words of kindness and justice. [4:5]

Muhammad PBUH Said:"O you who trust (in Allah's commandments)! Do not eat Al-Riba excessive multiplied; and be pious to Allah; so that you should prosper. "  [3:130]

Muhammad PBUH Said:  " O you among who trust (in Allah commandments)! be pious to Allah, and leave up what remains of your demand from Al-Riba(excessive multiplied profit), if you are indeed trust (in Allah commandments).  [2:278]

Muhammad PBUH Said:   If you do it not, Take notice of war from Allah and His Messenger: But if ye turn back, "falakum Ruoosu Amwali' kum". ,"for you the Heads  of your Wealth: Deal not unjustly, and ye shall not be dealt with unjustly.[2:279]

thanks

Naeem

Khan Arif <ank2000pk@...> wrote:

After reading different verses and hadiths the consensus is that
profit and profiteering needs to be distinguished and  profiteering
is making profits by unethical means. The word profit is mentioned
in the following verses.

002.102 002.123 002.164 002.174 002.219 004.024 005.076 005.119 006.128 006.158 007.048 010.018 010.049 010.101 010.106 011.034 012.067 012.068 013.016 016.117 017.079 019.042 021.066 022.012 022.013 025.003 025.055 026.073 026.207 030.057 031.012 032.029 033.016 034.042 039.050 040.052 040.082 040.085 043.039 045.010 046.026 048.011 052.019 058.017 060.003 069.028 074.048 077.001 080.004 081.028 087.009 089.023 092.011 111.002 

Customer satisfaction does not mean that one discloses the quantum of
profit to him. It means satisfaction for the goods delivered or the services
rendered at mutually agreed cost. Quality of goods is major factor.

Although I do not agree with all that written at
Islamic Economic and Banking
by Tariq Talib Al-Anjari
http://www.islamic-world.net/economics/economic_banking_01.htm
It would help broaden the understanding about applicability of
moral standards of Islam to economic issues and the problems
we face in the world where Non Muslims control most of the
International trade and industries.

Arif Khan

Naeem-ud-din Khalid <dosama_isb@...> wrote:

Dear Khan Arif , u wrote:-
" It is really lamentable that despite the fact that profiteering is
prohibited in Bible and Quran, our traders and industrialists resort
to un-ethical practices for profiteering."
Please quote the Ayat.
 
" Profits based on customer satisfaction ".
 
If you tell the customer how much profit you are taking he will mount on your head.
 
" black marketing or by exploiting the need of people in distress are definitely unethical "
Extra ordinary profit can only be earned by monoplysing the situation.
Black Marketing is in Arabic, "Tijarat -e- Aswad"  on urdu "Sudi Tijarat"
 
" It is not only the investment content. The time and effort spent on research
and planning many products such as medicines, computer programs.
new electronic appliances etc. need to be compensated over a short
duration in initial years of marketing. The same is true of services of
doctors, lawyers, artists and other experts. and their ability to satisfy the demands
of consumer and customer. "
Agreed, should their be a gauge or the all expenditure be taken from one client?
 
" For routine business operations for ordinary consumable items, a profit
of more or less 10% on sales would not be grudged. "
To guard eccessive multiplied profit, the autority to take the preventive measure in order to reduce inflaion.
 
Muhammad PBUH Said:  "O you who trust(in Allah's commandments)! Do not eat Al-Riba excessive multiplied; and be pious to Allah; so that you should prosper. "  (Al-Kitaab C:3 , V:130 )
For a profit taker , profit is described  as ,"for you the Heads (10%) of your Wealth (Principlal Amounts), "falakum Ruoosu Amwali' kum"
 
Muhammad PBUH Said:  " O you among who trust (in Allah commandments)! be pious to Allah, and leave up what remains of your demand from Al-Riba, if you are indeed trust (in Allah commandments).  (Al-Kitaab C:2 , V:278 )
 
By leaving excessive profit, one increase charity.
 
Muhammad PBUH Said: " Allah will deprive Al-Riba, and increases charity: And ALLAH do not love wicked rejector (of His Commandments).  (Al-Kitaab C:2 , V:276 )
 
The wicked rejectors are not from out side they are from the rank of people whotrust in ALLAH's Commandment, Since they extra ordnarily know the commandment of Allah therefore they wickedly reject these commandment on petty pretext. ALLAH informed Muhammad PBUH :
 
And there is none of Ahal Al-Kitaab (the family of the Book) but to trust with it (in Allah commandments) before his death; and on the Day of Judgment it will be a witness over them.   (Al-Kitaab C:4 , V:159 )
 
For the iniquity of the Hadoo (guided one) We made unlawful for them certain pure things which had been lawful for them;- in that they hindered excessively from Allah's Way;- (Al-Kitaab C:4 , V:160 )
 
That they extract Al-Riba, though they were forbidden; and that they eat men's substance wrongfully;- we have prepared for rejectors among them a grievous punishment. (Al-Kitaab C:4 , V:161 )
 
Naeem
 
Khan Arif <ank2000pk@...> wrote:
The Morality of Profit is difficult to define. Profits based on customer satisfaction are generally ethical but those made by black marketing or by exploiting the need of people in distress are definitely unethical and in many countries illegal.
 
It is not only the investment content. The time and effort spent on research and planning many products such as medicines, computer programs. new electronic appliances etc. need to be compensated over a short
duration in initial years of marketing. The same is true of services of doctors, lawyers, artists and other experts. and their ability to satisfy the demands of consumer and customer. 
 
For routine business operations for ordinary consumable items, a profit  of more or less 10% on sales would not be grudged. Remember the shopkeepers have to incur overhead expenses on electricity, rent,
repairs and staff salary etc. That needs to be taken into consideration for pricing. But if you create artificial crisis of sugar or flour shortage and make huge profits it is certainly un-ethical.
 
Many traders are tipped by the ministry of finance officials about  changes in taxes and duty rates and they hoard goods by purchasing at lower prices and double and triple their profits.
 
It is really lamentable that despite the fact that profiteering is prohibited in Bible and Quran, our traders and industrialists resort to un-ethical practices for profiteering.
 
Arif Khan
    


Naeem-ud-din Khalid <dosama_isb@...> wrote:
Thanks, Khan Arif  Good & ligical research.
 
The economists provoke that "interest/profit" in an economical activity should possibally be remain less or equal to 10%   of principal invested amount in a year.
If it exceeds by 20% or 40% then economical activities become in-stable?
"interest/profit" is the important factor of an economical activity you may term it actually  "the Head" of an invested wealth.
 
Now  if we for a moment calculate the %tage of head in a body which is an average 10%, (in rare case will  exceed by 10%, and most of the cases it is less than 10%).
 
Do you agree with above mentioned explaination? 
 
Now if you Just give a little thought on an Arabic word of ALLAH, "Ruoosu Amwali' kum" , if we translate it like this "Heads of your Wealth (Principlal Amounts),
 
thanks
 
 Naeem.


Khan Arif <ank2000pk@...> wrote:
In response to your latest email, I submit:
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In verse 4.161 the words "devoured men's substance wrongfully" indicate exploitation.

004.161: That they took usury, though they were forbidden; and that  they devoured men's substance wrongfully;- we have prepared for those among them who reject faith a grievous punishment. 

In verse 2.279 the words 'Deal not unjustly' refer to exploitation.

002.278: O ye who believe! Fear Allah, and give up what remains of your demand for usury, if ye are indeed believers.
002.279: If ye do it not, Take notice of war from Allah and His Messenger: But if ye turn back, ye shall have your capital sums: Deal not unjustly, and ye shall not be dealt with unjustly. 

In verse Verse 3.130 the words doubled and quadrupling are important in arriving at the definition of Riba. Does it mean that the until the riba reaches the level of double and manifold it can be taken? Probably
not but it does indicate excessive charge. 

003.130
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Devour not usury, doubled and multiplied; but fear Allah; that ye may (really) prosper.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Devour not usury, doubling and quadrupling (the sum lent). Observe your duty to Allah, that ye may be successful.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not devour usury, making it double and redouble, and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, that you may be successful. 

The hadith that are quoted in support of treating riba as interest instead of usury do not give sufficient details to arrive at logical conclusion.
For instance:
Volume 3, Book 34, Number 379: (Sahih Bukhari)
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:
The Prophet said, "The selling of wheat for wheat is Riba (usury) except if it is handed from hand to hand and equal in amount. Similarly the selling of barley for barley, is Riba except if it is from hand to hand and equal in amount, and dates for dates is usury except if it is from hand to hand and equal in amount.

Such hadiths do not give sufficient details about the occassion and why the necessity of selling wheat for wheat arose or was it a loan in kind and how the differences in quality were to be met. Thus many fatwas
based on such hadiths tend to be based on conjecture rather the commandments of Quran or correct interpretation Sunnah!

Profit and Trading:

Selling of item purchased at whole sale price of say RS. 1000 per piece for RS. 1200 or even RS. 1500 is permissible trading. You can even sell it in 12 monthly instalment of RS. 150 per month fetching RS. 1800,
which is also permissible. But obtaining a loan from a bank for say 10% interest for cash purchase of RS. 1000 is misconstrued as Riba even when it would mean paying it back with only RS. 100 interest after one
year. Thus charging RS. 100 is haram but instead of that paying or devouring profit of RS. 200 or RS. 500 is halal! I dont think so! 

I agree that the profession of money lending as was practised in the past must not be allowed and only commercial banks sould be allowed to do that according to the rates regulated by the Government. The
practice of pawnbroking is ancient, as is recognition of the danger it involves of oppressing the poor.

In the old days the money lenders used to charge such excessive amount as RS. 200 per month or so for a loan of RS. 1000/- and that Biyaj (rent on money) was payable until the principal was cleared in lumps
usm and rent on money was compounded in case of non-payment, whereas the principal sum of debt remain intact. Such usurious practices have been made illegal in most countries just as they were prohibited in
Bible and Quran. 

The Role of Credit in Industrial and Economic Growth

In the industrial and economic growth credit has played a vital role. Without the incentive of interest so many methods of credits cannot work as existing. Micro credit schemes in poor countries like Bangladesh are helping in alleviation of poverty enabling un-employed to stand on their own feet paying nominal interest instead sharing the higher profit. 

Credits allowed by IMF, World Bank, Asian Development Bank etc. are helping the developing countries in economic progress. Such assistance  would not be viable without the element of interest to cater for
administrative cost and maintenance of enough resources for granting credit.

The chief function of business credit is to facilitate the transference of capital items such as land, machines, plants, raw material, vehicles, cash etc. from those who own or produce it to those who need it for their business or industry, in the expectation that the profit from its use will exceed the interest payable on the loan. Thus business credit increases the productive power of the capital items and profits of the entrepreneur.

Consumer credit permits the purchase of retail commodities without the use of cash or with the use of relatively little cash. It is estimated that some 90% of all wholesalersï؟½ and manufacturersï؟½ sales, and more
than 30% of all retail sales are made on a credit basis. Credit facilities help acquire houses, vehicles etc. at lower cost than that sold under installment plans. Further, vendors of selling products on installemt schemes also need credit from different resources.

Poverty

I wish your words 'Once Riba or interest is finished, the poverty will automatically be finished." come true. But most economists agree that Poverty is an economic condition in which people lack sufficient income
to obtain the minimal levels of health care, food, housing, clothing, and education generally recognized as necessary to ensure an adequate standard of living. Further, accessibility to clean water, means of
transport and communications etc. make the difference between destitute and poor besides the quality of food, shelter and clothing. Even the upper middle class in most Muslim countries many Third world countries
lives much below the standards of living enjoyed by the poor in the West.

Much of the world's poverty is due to a low level of economic development, illiteracy and widespread unemployment and corruption and political instability. Negative attitude toward wok, lack of discipline
and apathy to teamwork and inability to harness and utilize natural resources can also be regarded as the reasons for lack of economic development.  Please read the article "Jihad against Poverty"
http://netvert.biz/paklink/articles/poverty.html

Let there be no illusion that Zakat and Sadqa are enough to help the poor on national level. Because in most Islamic countries like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia etc. if the entire wealth of nation is distributed equally everybody would become poor. That can be seen by the GDP figures. Average Pakistanis, Indian live on less than a dollar a day and much greater amount is spent by the Westerners on feeding their pets. But the fact is that we are poor not only financially but also intellectually as seen by the list of modern inventors.

In Saudi Arabia interests in conventional form is banned and schemes of  profit and loss sharing have been developed by the bankers like some Muslim countries but such schemes are more exploitative than the
banking interest. The concept of Profit and Loss sharing on the money lent as recognized by Sharia scholars tends to curtail the reward of entrepreneurship as the share of profits often exceed the conventional banking interest. 

A fixed interest rate, majority of Islamic conservative scholars hold, is equivalent to usury or "riba" - the earning of money without doing any work for it. But the Islamic theological research committee of
Egypt's Al-Azhar institute - seen by many as the philosophical centre of the dominant Sunni strand of the faith - has voted 21-1 to approve fixed interest rates.
    
    "Religious jurisprudence means change, and it is illogical to remain frozen while the world changes around us," Sheikh Saber Talaab, head of the research committee secretariat, was quoted saying that and "So long as we do not go against what is written (in the Koran) or the Sunnah (Holy Prophet's tradition), we have a clear conscience."
    
But most of Pakistan's scholar including Mufti Taqi Usmani (Retd. Justice of Shariat Bench) donot agree and forcefully rejected and refuted the Al Azhar verdict.
 
It would be recalled that the judgment of Shariat Bench headed by Mufti Taqui Usmani to abolish the interest dealings in Pakistan was not allowed to be implemented by the Supreme Court of Pakistan and it was directed that first the problem of inflation and reduction in purchasing power money be found. Despite lapse over 5 years there is no solution and the inflation continues at the galloping rates.
    
See detail discssion and examples with verses and hadiths in my article
at http://www.netvert.biz/paklink/articles/riba2.html
    
The Indonesian scholar of Islam, Zuhairi Misrawi agreed with Al Azhar verdict. He opined that Fatwa should involve all elements of society. In the tradition of bahtsul masaï؟½il (problem research used to be held in pesantren) that discusses about current matters (masaï؟½il waqiï؟½iyyah) performed by Nahdlatul Ulama (NU) for instance, the ulema were aware of their incompetence in the contemporary issues, therefore they asked the pinion of the experts (expert in medical field, etc) in formulating a atwa. Hence, they can  omprehend the object of fatwa well and ccurately. He goes on to write:

"Sheik Tantawi, for instance, consulted banking experts to study to  what extend bank interest provides both benefits to the client and to  the bank. Should bank interest be included in usury? During his time as
the head of the Fatwa Council of Egypt until he was being Sheik  al-Akbar al-Azhar, he has always insisted to issue the fatwa that bank  interest is allowed (halal), partly based on the consultation with banking experts.

Initially, many people opposed the fatwa by Sheik Tantawi since it ontradicted the views of other ulema. Currently, the Muslim world is ware of the importance of moderate, humanist and progressive fatwa to
keep the compatibility between religion and time and space (shalihun ikulli zaman wa makan). Furthermore, since radicalism and undamentalism in Muslim world are increasing, humanist fatwas offer an lternative to build civilization that honor both God and His reatures."


Arif Khan

Classified <ctsislamabad@...> wrote:
Dear Khan sahib
As salamualaikum
 
Just to cut long e mails : Please give me the following answers :
 
1.  Please quote me any Quranic Verse or Hadith in which the reason of making the Riba Haram is  "Exploitation". In Hujatul Widaa, Our Prophet (peace be upon him) himself made the Riba of his uncle Abbas (RA) void. This Riba was purely Business related and not Mahajan based "Exploitation" Riba.
 
2.  Presence of Interest in Saudi Banks does not make Interest Halal. If you contact Saudi Ulema they even give Fatwa that even the jobs in the Banks is HARAM.
 
3.  The reason on poverty in the whole world is not because of Inflation, but only because of RIBA or interest. Once Riba or interest is finished, the poverty will automatically finished. Just as we saw in the Golden rule of Muslims in the different parts of world and especially in the rule of 4 Caliphs (may Allah be pleased with them)
 
4.  Can you explain why Banks give loans only to those who are wealthy and have running businesses rather than to poor? Zakat and Sadaqa are the systems in which money is provided to the poor from the wealthy.
 
Again I would request you to simplify your discussion, and I would like other participants to share their views on the subject
 
Allah Hafiz
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#14 From: "Naeem-ud-din.Khalid" <shekhuzai@...>
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:49 pm
Subject: ACCORDING TO GOOD NEWS BIBLE JEWS & CHRISTIANS FAITH.
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ACCORDING TO GOOD NEWS BIBLE JEWS & CHRISTIANS FAITH.

ALCOHOL.
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PROVERBS 31:6-7- Alcohol is for people who are dying, for those who are in misery. Let them drink and forget their poverty and unhappiness.

FAHISHA/NUDITY:
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1SAMUEL 19:24- Saul stripped off his clothes and lay down naked all that day and all that night.
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ISAIAH 20:3- My servant Isaiah has been going about naked and barefoot for three years.
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ISAIAH 20:47- Young and old, they will walk barefoot and naked with their buttocks exposed.

FAHISHA/ADULTERY:
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JUDGES 16:1- Samson has sex with a whore in Gaza.
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RUTH 3:4-15- Ruth cohabits with boaz in the barn .
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EZEKIEL 23:1-49- Whoredoms of the two Sisters Oholah and Oholibah.

FAHISHA/INCEST

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LEVITICUS 18:6-24- What all are incest according to JEWS & CHRISTIANS FAITH.
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1 The LORD said to Moses,
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2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'I am the LORD your God.
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3 You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices.
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4 You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the LORD your God.
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5 Keep my decrees and laws, for the man who obeys them will live by them. I am the LORD .
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6 " 'No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD .
• - 7 " 'Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.
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8 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your father's wife; that would dishonor your father.
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9 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father's daughter or your mother's daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.
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10 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your son's daughter or your daughter's daughter; that would dishonor you.
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11 " 'Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father's wife, born to your father; she is your sister.
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12 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your father's sister; she is your father's close relative.
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13 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your mother's sister, because she is your mother's close relative.
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14 " 'Do not dishonor your father's brother by approaching his wife to have sexual relations; she is your aunt.
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15 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son's wife; do not have relations with her.
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16 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your brother's wife; that would dishonor your brother.
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17 " 'Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son's daughter or her daughter's daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.
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18 " 'Do not take your wife's sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.
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19 " 'Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.
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20 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor's wife and defile yourself with her.
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21 " 'Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed [1] to Molech, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD .
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22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
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23 " 'Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.
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24 " 'Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled.
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25 Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants.
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26 But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the aliens living among you must not do any of these detestable things,
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27 for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled.
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28 And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.
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29 " 'Everyone who does any of these detestable things-such persons must be cut off from their people.
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30 Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the LORD your God.' "

http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&passage=Genesis+38%3A1-9&version=NIV
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Genesis 38:8 Then Judah said to Onan, "Lie with your brother's wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother."
Genesis
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38:9 But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother.

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GENESIS 38:15-18- Incest between Father-In-law (Judah) and daughter-In-law (Tamar).
http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&passage=Genesis+38%3A14-19&version=NIV
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GENESIS 38:15 When Judah saw her, he thought she was a prostitute, for she had covered her face.
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GENESIS 38:16 Not realizing that she was his daughter-in-law, he went over to her by the roadside and said, "Come now, let me sleep with you."
"And what will you give me to sleep with you?" she asked.
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GENESIS 38:17 "I'll send you a young goat from my flock," he said.
"Will you give me something as a pledge until you send it?" she asked.
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GENESIS 38:18 He said, "What pledge should I give you?"
"Your seal and its cord, and the staff in your hand," she answered. So he gave them to her and slept with her, and she became pregnant by him.
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After she left, she took off her veil and put on her widow's clothes again.
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GENESIS 35:22- Incest between Mother (Bilhah) and son (Reuben).
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GENESIS 9:21- And he (Noah) drank of the wine and he lay naked.
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GENESIS 19:34-36- The elder daughter said to her sister, "Our father (Lot) is getting old, and there are no men in the whole world to marry us so that we can have children. Come on, let's make our father drunk, so that we can sleep with him and have children by him". That night they gave him wine to drink, and the elder daughter had intercourse with him. But he was so drunk that he didn't know it.
The next day the elder daughter said to her sister, "I slept with him last night; now let's make him drunk again tonight, and you sleep with him then each of us will have a child by our father (Lot)".
So that night they made him drunk and the younger daughter had intercourse with him. Again he was so drunk that he didn't know it. In this way both of Lot' daughters became pregnant by their own father.
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2 SAMUEL 11:4,5- And David sent messengers to fetch her (Bath sheeba), they brought her to him and he made love (intercourse) to her. Then she went back home. Afterwards she discovered that she was pregnant and sent a message to David to tell him.
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2 SAMUEL 11:6-25- David wickedly caused the death of Uriah, the husband of Bath sheeba.
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2 SAMUEL 16:22- So they set up a tent for (Absalom David's son) on the palace roof, and in the sight of every one Absalom went in and had intercourse with his Father's concubines.
But he (Amnon David's another son) would not listen to her sister (Tamar) and since he was
• - 2 SAMUEL 13:4- stronger than she was, he overpowered her and raped her.

SLAVERY

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LEVITICUS 25 :44' Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

WOMEN AND GOOD NEWS BIBLE

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1 CORNITHIANS 13 :34-35- The women should keep quiet in the meetings. They are not allowed to speak; at the Jewish law says, they must not be in charge. If they want to find out about some thing, they should ask their husbands at home. It is a disgraceful thing for a woman to speak in church.

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LUKE 14 :26- Whoever comes to me cannot be my disciple unless he loves me more than he loves his father and his mother, his wife and his children, his brothers and his sisters, and himself as well.

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LUKE 19 :27- Now, as for those enemies of mine who did not want me to be their king, bring them here and kill them in my presence

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NUMBERS 31 :17-18- So, now kill every boy and kill every woman who has had sexual intercourse, but keep alive for yourselves all the girls and all the women who are virgins.

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LEVITICUS 25 :46- And you may leave them as an inheritance to your sons, whom they must serve as long as they live.

A Polite Sermon

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MATHEW 23 :33. You snakes and sons of snakes!
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MATHEW 23 :13. You hypocrites!
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MATHEW 12 :39. How evil and godless are the people of this day!
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LUKE 12 :51. Do you suppose that I came to bring peace to the world? No, not peace, but division.
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LUKE 12 :49- I came to set the earth on fire. And how I wish it were already kindled!

Stoning to death is not in Islam, Death for indecent sexual act is in Jewish and Christianity for both man and woman.


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NUMBERS 31:17-18: So, now kill every boy and kill every woman who has had sexual intercourse, but keep alive for yourselves all the girls and all the women who are virgins.

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LEVITICUS 20: 10, DEATH to both, If sex done with married women.

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LEVITICUS 20: 11, DEATH to both, If sex done with one of his fathers wife (not real mother.
How many wives do JEWS & CHRISTIANS have according to their Gods commandments?)


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LEVITICUS 20: 12, DEATH to both, If sex done with daughter in Law.
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LEVITICUS 20: 13, DEATH to both, If sex done with other Man .
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LEVITICUS 20: 14, BURN THEM: If sex done with mother in Law.
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LEVITICUS 20: 15, DEATH to both, If sex man does with an animal.
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LEVITICUS 20: 16, DEATH to both, If sex woman does with an animal.
How an excellent justice, sine animal also desire for it?
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LEVITICUS 20: 17, PUBLICALLY DISGRACE AND DRIVE OUT OF COMMUNITY, I f sex if man marries his sister or half sister,
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LEVITICUS 20: 18, PUBLICALLY DISGRACE AND DRIVE OUT OF COMMUNITY, I f sex is done with woman during her monthly period.
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LEVITICUS 20: 19, Suffering the consequences , I f sex is done with aunt.
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LEVITICUS 20: 20, Penalty, will have no children, I f sex is done with uncle's wife.
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LEVITICUS 20: 21, Penalty, will have no children, I f sex is done with brother's wife.

The bible is full of inconsistencies and contradictions, Im not pasting this from any website so im sure there are ALOT more but these are just the ones ive found from studying the bible.

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Numbers 23:19 "God is not a man, that he should tell lies; neither the son of mankand, that he should feel regrett." Has he himself said it and wil he not do it And has he spoken and will he not carry it out?
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Ezekiel 24:14 " I myself Jehovah have spoken , It must come and i will act. I shall not neglect, neither shal i feel sorry, nor feel regret"
compare with
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Exodus 32:14 "And Jehovah began to feel regret over the evil that he had spoken of doing to his people"

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1Corinthians 13:4 says "Love is not jealous....
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1 John 4:8 says "God is Love."
compare with
• - Exodus 34:14 Says "You must not prostrate yourself to another god because Jehovah whose name is Jealous is a jealous God."


War Booty


Numbers 31
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35 and 32,000 women who had never slept with a man.
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36 The half share of those who fought in the battle was:
337,500 sheep, 37 of which the tribute for the LORD was 675;
38 36,000 cattle, of which the tribute for the LORD was 72;
39 30,500 donkeys, of which the tribute for the LORD was 61;
40 16,000 people, of which the tribute for the LORD was 32.

Girls at the age of 3 were forced into sex in both the Talmud and the Bible.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm
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"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known a man by sleeping with him.(Num 31:17).
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[This] refers to her who has slept with a man as well as her who is suitable for intercourse, even when she has not slept with a man...
• - But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves. From here R. Shimon b. Yohai used to say: a Proselyte girl who became a proselyte in the age of less than three years and one day, is rendered fit to marry into the priesthood."
[137]
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/guido_deimel/judaism.html#137

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According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, Moses therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations." [138]
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/guido_deimel/judaism.html#138

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Moses' Commands for pedophilia against 3-year old slave girls do count against the Bible!
As shown in the quotes below:
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"....The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children...."
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"....According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations." [138]...."
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"Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse....."
• - "A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse," the words of R. Meir. And sages say, "Three years and one day old."....."


#13 From: "Naeem-ud-din.Khalid" <shekhuzai@...>
Date: Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:50 pm
Subject: A Guardian in Diguise
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A Guardian in Diguise

A WOLF followed a flock of sheep for a long time and did not attempt to injure one of them. The Shepherd at first stood on his guard against him, as against an enemy, and kept a strict watch over his movements. But when the Wolf, day after day, kept in the company of the sheep and did not make the slightest effort to seize them, the Shepherd began to look upon him as a guardian of his flock rather than as a plotter of evil against it; and when occasion called him one day into the city, he left the sheep entirely in his charge. The Wolf, now that he had the opportunity, fell upon the sheep, and destroyed the greater part of the flock. When the Shepherd returned to find his flock destroyed, he exclaimed: I have been rightly served; why did I trust my sheep to a Wolf?


#12 From: "Naeem-ud-din.Khalid" <shekhuzai@...>
Date: Sat Feb 9, 2008 9:21 pm
Subject: Prohibition is on Usury – not Interest
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Thanks, Khan Arif  Good & lOgical research.
 
The economists provoke that "interest/profit" in an economical activity should possibally be remain less or equal to 10%   of principal invested amount in a year.
If it exceeds by 20% or 40% then economical activities become in-stable?
"interest/profit" is the important factor of an economical activity you may term it actually  "the Head" of an invested wealth.
 
Now  if we for a moment calculate the %tage of head in a body which is an average 10%, (in rare case will  exceed by 10%, and most of the cases it is less than 10%).
 
Do you agree with above mentioned explaination? 
 
Now if you Just give a little thought on an Arabic word of ALLAH, "Ruoosu Amwali' kum" , if we translate it like this "Heads of your Wealth (Principlal Amounts),
 
thanks Naeem.
 
 
 
Khan Arif <ank2000pk@...> wrote:
Prohibition is on Usury – not Interest
Usury is prohibited in Bible as well as in Quran. The word `riba' as appearing in Holy Quran is translated in English as `usury' by some translators and as `interest' by some. See relevant verses of Holy Quran and Hadiths at  
The word "Riba", in Arabic language, literally means an "increment' or addition". In Islamic Fiqh the term riba has a special meaning. Riba is an unjustified increment in borrowing or lending money, paid in kind or in money above the amount of loan, as a
condition imposed by the lender or voluntarily by the borrower. Riba defined in this way is called in Fiqh riba al-duyun (debt usury). Riba also is an unjustified increment gained by the seller or the buyer if they exchanged goods of the same kind in different quantities. This is called "riba al-fadl" or "riba-al-buyu" (trade usury). 
http://www.islamic-banking.com/
 
After reading the hadiths it can be said that riba is not necessarily time related. It is an excessive increase. Riba is exploitation or forced addition; but voluntary extra return from the beneficiary may not be regarded as Riba.
The question often debated is that whether the interest as charged in the modern banking and financial institutions can be regarded as "riba", which is strictly forbidden in Islam. Interest is payment made for the use of money borrowed or taken on credit. Usury denotes an excessive or illegally high rate of interest charged on borrowed money.  Many scholars of Islam including those of Al Azhar University of Egypt opined that where interest rate is mutually agreed or where it is regulated by the Government it cannot be treated as riba or usury. The provision to cater for administrative expenses of the lending institution and the loss of purchasing power of money due to inflation cannot be regarded as riba. Moreover under verse 2.279 return of principal sum is allowed and protected and the inflation cause decrease in principal value in terms of purchasing power of paper currency.
Profiteering and Interest
We see every day how profit is charged by the traders. The difference between legitimate profit and profiteering is not well defined. One shopkeeper may sell a television (supplied by the manufacturer at the net price of RS. 20, 000) for 24, 000 but the other shopkeeper may sell it for RS. 27, 000. Yet another shopkeeper may sell it for 12 monthly installments of RS. 3000 (aggregating to RS. 36, 000) In all these transactions there is profit but not riba. But supposing the purchaser takes a loan of RS. 24000 to buy the television and repays loan with RS. 3600 interest for one year, the orthodox ulema say that the bank is taking riba even though the bank is helping the borrower to buy the Television at lower cost than that charged by the shopkeeper selling it in 12 monthly installments of RS. 3000/-  
Now let us have a look at another case.  Zaid acquired a loan of RS. One million from his friend for building a house. At that time the gold was worth RS. 50 per gram. The loan was treated as 20, 000 grams of gold and it was agreed that every year Zaid would give 1000 grams of gold to repay the loan and thus the loan would be redeemed in 20 years. Examined in the light of different fatwas there is no element of Riba in this agreement and it is admissible under Sharia. 
On the same date Bakar is sanctioned a Loan of RS. One Million by a bank on the interest rate prevailing at the time and he has to pay the annual installment of RS. 90, 000. Thus in 20 years he would be paying over RS. 18 Lacs for a loan of RS. 10 Lac and the excess of over RS. 8 Lace is considered RIBA by many. (The annuity of RS. 90, 000 per annum would accumulate to much bigger amount than 18 Lacs depending upon the interest earned by the bank.) Supposing this was interest free loan for RS. 10 Lac with annual installment of RS. 50, 000 for 20 years, how the lender would be compensated for loss of purchasing power of money under the installments paid? Will it not be unjust? In verse 279 of surah 2 the need for justice for both the borrower and the lender is prescribed. Some people opine that an agreement under verse 2/282 can include compensation for use of money and that cannot be regarded as riba but this view is not accepted by the majority.  .
Now let us examine the predicament of Zaid. He is experiencing the increase in the price of gold every year. In the 20th year his last installment of 1000 gram of gold would alone cost him several Lacs in gold purchase and he ends up by paying over 35 Lacs in gold purchases to redeem his loan, which was worth only RS. 10 Lacs 20 years ago and the excess of 25 Lacs that he spent on gold cannot be regarded as Riba as what he has paid back is 20, 000 grams of gold. 
This example leads most of the people well versed with Islam and economics to believe that the provisions for loss of purchasing power of the rupee, administrative expenses and a reasonable profit cannot be regarded as riba as we are following "a managed paper currency system" without any backing of gold or other commodity which by itself entails the elements of Riba in indirect manner.
The intent and purport of the verses regarding riba would appear to stop exploitation of the poor by the rich. Credit facilities provided by the banks have helped in expansion of trade and industry as well as helped the poor to start their own business ventures. The state of business activity within a country at any given moment may be gauged from the condition of the credit system: There are several types of credits and most of them would not be viable if reasonable interest is not allowed and the growth of economy would be stifled.
Most economists agree that expanding credit generally reflects a period of business prosperity, whereas contracting credit usually reflects a period of declining economic activity or depression. In the developed countries laws are enacted to regulate banking interest rates and the bank and money lenders cannot charge interest more than permitted by the laws.
Arif Khan

#11 From: "Naeem-ud-din.Khalid" <shekhuzai@...>
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2008 4:02 pm
Subject: Retired Generals - Majlis-e-shura of Iblees sons
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Retired Generals - Majlis-e-shura of Iblees sons

Majlis-e-shura of Iblees son's Retired Generals of Pakistan Army who were the main culprit to enforce Martial Law is being held in Perl continantal at 14:00 hours in Rawalpind.

THIS ARTICAL IS DEDICATED TO THEM & TO THOSE WHO SUPPORTED THEM FROM, POLITICIANS, JUDJES, BEURCRATES, JOURNALISTS, COLUMNISTS, MULLAHS & INTERNATIONAL SO CALLED DEMOCRATIC COUNTRIES.

 
IF THESE OLD STINKING SOULS ACCEPTS THEIR FATES AS CROMWELL'S & HIS ASSOCAITES:-
This was the ultimate punishment available in English law for men who had been convicted of High Treason. Women were burned at the stake instead, apparently for the sake of decency.

In August 1660, Charles II passed the Act of Indemnity and Oblivion which gave a free pardon to anyone who had supported the republican (Commonwealth) government of Oliver Cromwell. However, he retained the right to try for treason those people who had participated in the trial and execution of his father, Charles I.
A special court was appointed and in October 1660, the Regicides as they were known, were brought to trial. Ten were found guilty and were sentenced to be hanged, drawn and quartered. They were Thomas Harrison, John Jones,
John Carew, Hugh Peters, Adrian Scroope, Thomas Scot, Gregory Clement, Francis Hacker, Daniel Axtell and John Cooke.  Harrison was the first to die, he was executed at Charing Cross on Saturday, the 13th of October and was subjected to the full gruesome rigours of his sentence.  Two days later John Carew suffered the same fate, although his quartered body was allowed to be buried rather than put on display. The following day John Cooke and Hugh Peters were executed.  Cooke's head was displayed on a pole at Westminster Hall with Harrison's whilst Peters, was displayed on London Bridge. Wednesday, the 17th saw the executions of Scot, Clement, Scroope and Jones.  Finally on Friday, the 19th, it was Hacker and Axtell's turn.  Oliver Cromwell, Henry Ireton, Thomas Pride and John Bradshaw were all dead by this time but were posthumously tried for high treason. They were found guilty and in January 1661 their corpses were exhumed and hung in chains at Tyburn.

THEN I THINK PERVEZ MUSHARRAF WILL HAVE NO OPTION TO NEGATE HE JUSTICE, BECAUSE THE FOOT PRINT WHICH THEY LEFT, FOLLOWED BY PERVEZ MUSHARRAF.
THESE DIRTY SOULS KNEW THAT CONSTITUTIONALLY MUSHARRAF IS SO STRONG THAT ONLY 2/3RD MAJORITY CAN REMOVE HIM.
SO TELL THESE DIRTY SOULS TO GET 2/3RD MAJORITY TO REVERSE THEIR IN-HUMANE ACT.

 lets strengthen democracy by pooling our vote for DEMOCRACY. If we can't then we keep our mouth SHUT.

 


#9 From: "Naeem-ud-din.Khalid" <shekhuzai@...>
Date: Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:15 am
Subject: The believing Muslim get shocks
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The believing Muslim get shocks on man written books by Egyptian, Bughdadi and Irani writers:

Imam Abu-Hanifah, Imam-1(80-150 AH, Kufah, Iraq),
Imam Maalik, Imam-2(93-179 AH Medinah, student of Shia Imam Ja'ffer Sadiq),
Imam Abu-Yusuf .Hanafi(113-187 AH Kufah, Iraq),
Imam Muhammad, Hanafi (132-189 AH Wasit, Iraq),
Imam Shafi'i, Imam-3(150-204 AH Ghaza),
Imam Ahmad ibn Hambal, Imam-4(164-241 AH Baghdad),
Bokharie(194-256 AH, Bukhara, Iran),
Abu'l-Husain Muslim (206-261 AH Nishapur, Iran),
Abu Dawood (202-275 AH Sistan, Iran),
Ibn-e-Maja (209-273 AH, Qazween, Iraq),
Tirmidhi (209-279 AH Tirmidh, Balkh),
Nasaai (214 –303 AH, Khurasan, Iran),
Abu Jafar Al-Tabari (218 – 311 AH Tabaristan IRAN)

These books have very very objectionable pharases about , Muhammad (P.B.U.H), Abubkr(R.A), Umar (R.A), Usman(R.A), Bibi (R.A), Abu sufian (R.A), Ameer muaviah(R.A), Khalid bin Waleed (R.A), and other Shabah (R.A), 


 


#8 From: "Naeem-ud-din.Khalid" <shekhuzai@...>
Date: Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:16 am
Subject: Mind you there are hundreds of such KHURAFAAT against each sect
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Dear Col Riaz Jafri,  I being Muslim (of no sect) takes an opportunity  to reply you &  I am sorry for replying this of your mail which is purely for Mr. abu Sufian: My comments are in Red:

Riaz Jafri <jafri@...>
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Abu Suffian:  (I am sorry, I am writing it in English and you being a journalist I hope will understand it).
 
May I request you not to copy me your mails to Asad Imam and others.  It looks your agenda is not to find truth but propagate hate amongst us all.
Copy pasting of someones saying is not propaganda but to inform others that what is truth! because all most 99% people believe in heresay.
 
You have already done enough damage and if some one relaliated with similar insinuations against other sects written by JAHIL ulema, there will be no end to it. 
Dear Sir, Jahalat is not that I am pointing out some one 's mistake, the well known meaning of Jahalat is that , " A person without authentication says or writes some thing, which can be called lie if not proved, the the behaviour of "Jahil" & "Aqalmand" listenrs start as follows:-.
1. The listner listen & passes it on (in words or writting):
 
(Al-Kitaab- Ch:26 V:233)  They pour Al-Sam'aa (hearsay vanities), and most of them are liars. 
 
2. The behaviour of learned people (Aqalmand would be):
(Al-Kitaab- Ch:12 V:02) We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an, in order that you may become "Aqalmand".
(Al-Kitaab- Ch:25 V:63)  And "Aqalmand" (the servants) of Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the "Jahil" address them, they say, "SALAM !";
(Al-Kitaab- Ch:25 V:72)  They donot evidence falsehood, and, if they pass by futility, they pass by it with honourable (avoidance);
 
 
 Now these heresays have been poured into the books and being forwarded from a group of "Jahil" people, and again the listener without using "Aqal" listen these for the reason it might be "good" for them:-  
 
(Al-Kitaab- Ch:24 V:11)  Those who brought forward the lie are a group among yourselves: think it not to be an evil to you; On the contrary it is good for you:
1. To every man among them (by listening & believeing) earned the sin, and
2. To him who took on himself the lead among them (by narrating others for their wrong guidance),
3. will be a penalty grievous.
 
Mind you there are hundreds of such KHURAFAAT against each sect. 
Yes because of the Allah's Commandment No: (Al-Kitaab- Ch:24 V:11)
 
If you want to discuss alone with me without copying the mail to others to spread hate I am ready to take you on. 
Why we join group, to share good & non-good, about prevailing things arround us! So why alone? If you do not have patiance to listen non-goods the please do not tell good to others You all letter to editor for any one among us may come under non-good.  
 
I do not want to hurt any one else. 
One  do hurt thoughts writting or speaking, to either who favour the govt or oppose the govt.
 
So let it be a plain simple man to man talk between us two.
This truth only imploy in personal talks ONLY.
 
Mind you, as I have said I do not believe in any Firqa,
The followers of Muhammad(PBUH) have three Firqa's:-
1. One who follow his companion Abubakr (R.A) & his chain.
2. Second who  follow his companion Ali (R.A) & his chain. 
3. Third who  follow only MUHAMMAD(PBUH) through Kitaab Allah (Al-Quraan) & reject
a. All saying refered to which MUHAMMAD(PBUH) or
b. His companions,
Whcih contradicts the Saying of ALLAH mentioned in Kitaab ALLAH.
Which were compiled by follower of Shia Imam Jafar al Sadiq, (Malik, Tibri(Tibristan), Bukhari, Muslim(Neshapori), Abudaood(Seestanie), Ibn-e-maja (Qazveenie), Tirmizi, Nasai (Khurasani)  etc, etc )
 The reaso of rejection is mentioned in ALLH'S Commandnent told us by MUHAMMAD(PBUH):- 
 
(Al-Kitaab- Ch:5 V:41) : O Messenger let not those grieve you who efforts with each other in rejection, among those:
1.  who declare them peaceful with their lips but whose hearts have no accepted peace, or
2. it be among the "Hadu" men These (claimed peaceful ) will listen to any lie, Even listen from those who have never met you.
3. They change Al-Kalaam (The speech ) after this from their (right) places;
4. they say "If ye are given like this take it but if not beware:"
5. (Now because of their this act) If anyone's trial is intended by Allah you has no authority in the least for him against Allah.
6. For such it is not Allah's will to purify their hearts.
7. For them there is disgrace in this world and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment.
  
 
(Al-Kitaab- Ch:17 V:73 to 75)
73 - And their purpose was to tempt you away from that which We have revealed unto you to substitute in Our name something quite different: (in that case) they would certainly have made you (their) friend!
74 - And if We have not given you the strength you would have indeed inclined to leave toward them a little thing (in substitution).
75 - In that case We should have made you taste a double portion (of punishment) in this life and an equal double in death: and moreover you would have found none to help thee against Us!

Note: IRANIAN (Tibri (Tibristan), Bukhari, Muslim(Neshapori), Abudaood(Seestanie), Ibn-e-maja (Qazveenie), Tirmizi, Nasai (Khurasani) tempted themselves (away from that which ALLAH have revealed unto MUHAMMAD), to substitute in MUHAMMAD's name something very very different to misguide people

as such I will quote you from various books written mostly by Sunni Hazrat. Just as a starters and a very mild one.  (Please all others to note.  I do not believe in it myself, but it is written in the books and it is just for the consumption of Abu Suffian only.  Please all, I request you once again to underastand as to why I am doing it.  Just to put Abu Suffian in his proper place)
 
Okay:  Mr. Abu Suffian.  I will not talk aboutt religion or beliefs.  I will just quote historical facts for you - ONLY YOU to reply)
 
I am happy that you called it historical facts & not the Hadees:-
(Al-Kitaab- Ch:45 V 6 to 10)
6 - These are the Ayaats of Allah which We recites on to you with truth: then in which "Hadees" will they believe after (rejecting) Allah and His Ayah?
7 - Woe to each sinful Dealer in Falsehoods (of historical facts).
8 - He hears the Ayaats of Allah recited him yet is obstinate and lofty as if he had not heard them: then announce to him a Penalty Grievous! ?
9 - And when he learns something from our Ayaats, he takes them in jest: for such there will be a humiliating Penalty?
10 - In front of them is Hell: and of no profit to them is anything they may have earned nor any Aulia they have taken other than Allah: for them is a tremendous Penalty?
 
 
Was Holy Prophet (SAWAW) deeply anguished and went into seclusion for one month in Madina, not speaking to any one, and all alone by himself.  This state lasted for a month or so till only Hazrat Umar (R.A.) could pick the courage and ask him (SAWAW) the reason for it? 
 
    What was his (SAWAW) reply?  Wasn't it, "Go and ask your daughter the cause for it". 
    Was there not the rumour among the people of Madina during that month that  Rasulullah              
    (SAWAW) had divorced all his wives?
 
 
Abu Suffian,
 
(1)    Is above correct or wrong? 
Dear Sir, now you can honestly decide in the light of ALLAH's few commandments I mentioned in this post that what is correct & what is wrong!
 
(2)    If correct, who had made the Holy Prophet that upset and hurt that he did not speak to any one for one month?
 
(3)    What does Allah (SWT) say about those who hurt (naraaz) or cause anguish to Rasul ullah (SAWAW)?  Kia Allah (SWT) un se raazi hai jo Rasul (SAWAW) ko naraaz karte hain?
It has been decided by ALLAH, read the following commandment: 
(Al-Kitaab- Ch:58 V: 22)
You will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred. For such He has written Faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with a spirit from Himself. And He will admit them to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, to dwell therein (for ever). Allah will be well pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the Party of Allah. Truly it is the Party of Allah that will achieve Felicity.
 
And tocertain people, it is historical fact & for whom those believe in ALLAH's commandments it is historical Lie.
 
      
Sirf - Abu Suffian jawab de.
I am sorry it is not only the Abusuffian, the plea of burdon lies on to every, To & CC 
 
Dear All: Once again, please forgive me. I do not want to behave like Abu Suffian.  The above ONE inastance is quoted just to tell Abu Suffian - not to behave like Abu Suffian of Mecca before he was the last one to accepted Islam after Makkah was conquerred.
Dear Sir, so you deny this commandment of ALLAH:-
 
(Al-Kitaab- Ch:9 V: 100) Allah will be well pleased with them, and they with Him:-
1. The first from initials from Muhajireen ( immigrants) and  
2. Ansaar (of those who gave immigrants aid) and
3. (also) those who follow them in (all) good deeds,
For them hath He prepared gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein for ever: that is the supreme felicity.
 
There is no use in digging the dirt.  PLEASE STOP IT.
Dear Sir, I agree the dirt raised by :_
1. Those who do not follow the ALLAH's Commandment said to us by MUHAMMAD(PBUH).
2. Those who follow the liers of historical Fact (wrongs) .
3. The who reject the commandments mentioned in Kitaab ALLAH.
4. The who love the commandments mentioned in Kitaab mon doon ALLAH.
5. Those who : And among people bargain Lahve –Al-Hadees (useless Hadees) to astray from Allah's path (Al-Kitaab) without knowledge, and to take it (path of Allah) for a mockery; these shall have an abasing chastisement (Al-Kitaab- Ch:31 V:6)
 
From NAEEM to  
 
Col. Jafri (Retd) 

#6 From: "Naeem-ud-din.Khalid" <shekhuzai@...>
Date: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:27 pm
Subject: Lets evaluate ourselves - By all definitions we all agree that:
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Dear Fahad Khalil my comments are in colours yours Q are in black>.

Fahad: With all due respect, do we know what Muslims were doing when Ganges Khan attacked Baghdad and destroyed civilization?
Muslims were busy doing discussing the correct length of Beard and the fact whether crow is haram or halal.
From where you got this doing, history which is ever wrong?

Fahad:  For God's sake - come out of this pre-historic debate and do something creative.
Lets evaluate ourselves - By all definitions we all agree that:
A Muslim is a person who believes that there is one God, and that is Allah.
 
Muhammad (PBUH) recited on us that who are Muslims according to Allah's verdict:
 
Allah told me: He has No partner : this am I commanded, and I am the first among Muslims (6/163).
Allah informed me: Those who have believed in Our Ayaats and became Muslim. (43/69)
Allah ordered me:  Say: "What has come to me by inspiration is that your Allah is One Allah: will you therefore become Muslims?"(21/108)
Allah warned me:  You can not guide the blind from their straying: only those will you make to hear, who trust in Our Ayaats, so they are Muslims.(30/53).
Allah commanded me: O you who trust (in Allah's commandments)! be pious to Allah as He rightly demant piety, and you should no die unless you are Muslims (3/102).
Allah reminded me: And this was the legacy that Ibraheem left to his sons, and so did Yaqoob; "Oh my sons! Allah has chosen your Acceptnce (that is submission); and you should no die unless you are Muslims ." (3/132)
Allah asked me:  Which saying is better than seek attention of Allah, works in righteousness, and says, "I am among Muslims"? (41/33)
Allah questioned me:  Shall We then treat the Muslims like the Criminals? (68/35)
Allah said to me:  And those who denied (Allahs commandments be asked): "Were not Our Ayaats recited to you? But you were arrogant, and were a nation of criminals! (45/31)!
Allah told to me: Make you no excuses: you have rejected (Allahs commandments) after you had trusted it. So should We pardon a group among you and  punish another group? for that they are criminals ! (9/66) 
Allah told to me: This is the Hell which the Criminals deny:(55/43)
 
Fahad: Muhammad Peace be upon was His creation and he was His last prophet - and this all was not done by mistake - Allah created Muhammad Peace be upon him explicitly as blessing for everything.
 
Muhammad (PBUH) told us that Allah says  : Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things. (33/40)
 
Muhammad (PBUH) told us that Allah says : But those who trust and works in righteousness, and trust which is gifted to Muhammad which is the Truth from their Lord,- He will remove from them their ills and improve their condition.(47/2).
 
Muhammad (PBUH) told us that Allah says  : Muhammad is no more than a messenger: many the messenger that passed away before him. If he die or slain, will you then Turn back on your heels (from Allah's commandments )? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude. (3/144) 
 
Fahad:  Quran is Allah's book, and it is complete and CANNOT be modified.
 
Muhammad (PBUH) told us that Allah says : This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah; on the contrary it is a confirmation of that which is in between hands, and a fuller explanation of The Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds. (10/37)
 
Fahad: If we believe in Muhammad Peace be upon him - then we MUST believe in his sayings - his actions.
 
Muhammad (PBUH) told us that Allah says : Verily this Qur'an is for guidance to whom, is most established, and give the Glad Tidings to the Trustee who work deeds of righteousness, that they shall have a magnificent reward; (17/9) 
 
Fahad: Muhammad Peace be upon him said his immediate followers (sahaba) are like stars and we should follow them - Muhammad Peace be upon him explicitly prayed for Umar (May Allah be pleased with him) - how can his choice be wrong? If we believe in Allah and Muhammad Peace be upon him, we gotta believe in what he has done.
 
Muhammad (PBUH) told us that Allah says : Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are harsh against rejectors, (but) compassionate amongst each other. You will see them follow and obey, surching blessing from Allah and His Pleasure. On their faces are their marks the traces of their obediance. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Injeel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the rejectors with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who trust and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward. (48/29)
 
IF HISTORY SAYS THAT MUHAMMAD'S COMPANION WERE HARSH AMONG EACH OTHER THEN IT IS CONFIRMED THAT ONE AMONG THEM IS MUHAMMAD'S COMPANION & OTHER IS NOT. WHO WILL DECIDE HUMAN BEING ? JUST IMPOSSIBLE.ONLY ALLAH WILL DECIDE ON THE DAY, AFTER MUHAMMAD'S  COMPLAIN:
 
Muhammad (PBUH) told us that Allah says : Then the Messenger will say: "O my Lord! Truly my nation took this Qur'an for just foolish nonsense."(25/30)
 
Muhammad (PBUH) told us that Allah says :  As for those who divide their religion and become SHIA, you have no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did. (6/159).
 
Muhammad (PBUH) told us that Allah says : Those who split up their Religion, and become SHIA, all (spliting) group rejoicing in that which is with itself! (30/32)
 
Fahad:  Muhammad Peace be upon him's wives are like our Mothers - we cannot say/think anything against them - If someone does, it will be just like doing something with his/her own mother.
 
Muhammad (PBUH) told us that Allah has described the priorites He says :  (1)The Prophet takes priority to the trustees than their own selves,(2) and his wives are their mothers, (3)Blood-relations among each other have priority in the book of Allah, (4)among the Trustees and Muhajirs: nevertheless do you what is just to your closest priority: such is the writing in the book (of Allah). (33/6).
 
Fahad:  If someone believes in Allah and Muhammad Peace be upon him : He will have to believe in what Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him said.
 
This all is logical and VERY EASILY understandable. Emaan is like a roof and teachings of Quran and Muhammad are like pillars - if you unset one, you gonna hurt your emaan.
 
If anyone contends with the Messenger even after guidance has been plainly conveyed to him, and follows a path other than that of mau'mineen, We shall leave him in the path he has chosen, and land him in Hell,- what an evil refuge!(4/115).
 
SALAM to all.
NAEEM 
Fahad Khalil <inbox@...> wrote:
Fahad: With all due respect, do we know what Muslims were doing when Ganges Khan attacked Baghdad and destroyed civilization?

Muslims were busy doing discussing the correct length of Beard and the fact whether crow is haram or halal.

For God's sake - come out of this pre-historic debate and do something creative.

Lets evaluate ourselves - By all definitions we all agree that:

  • A Muslim is a person who believes that there is one God, and that is Allah.
  • Muhammad Peace be upon was His creation and he was His last prophet - and this all was not done by mistake - Allah created Muhammad Peace be upon him explicitly as blessing for everything.
 
Quran is Allah's book, and it is complete and CANNOT be modified.
 
  • If we believe in Muhammad Peace be upon him - then we MUST believe in his sayings - his actions.
 
  • Muhammad Peace be upon him said his immediate followers (sahaba) are like stars and we should follow them - Muhammad Peace be upon him explicitly prayed for Umar (May Allah be pleased with him) - how can his choice be wrong? If we believe in Allah and Muhammad Peace be upon him, we gotta believe in what he has done.
  • Muhammad Peace be upon him's wives are like our Mothers - we cannot say/think anything against them - If someone does, it will be just like doing something with his/her own mother.
If someone believes in Allah and Muhammad Peace be upon him : He will have to believe in what Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him said.
This all is logical and VERY EASILY understandable. Emaan is like a roof and teachings of Quran and Muhammad are like pillars - if you unset one, you gonna hurt your emaan.
 

#5 From: "Naeem-ud-din.Khalid" <shekhuzai@...>
Date: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:51 pm
Subject: Nikah & Consent of girl
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Dear col Jafri,
 
Salam, in the reply of your Qs I am quoting few Ayaats(in green)  from Kitaab Allah, I hope it will clear the question.

Riaz Jafri <jafri@...> wrote:
I am no Islamic Jurist. As a layman following questions come to my mind.  Could the more knowledgeable please enlighten me on these?
 
1.    Is girl's consent necessary for Nikkah in Islam or not? 
        In other words, can she be forced to marry against her will?
 
The girl consented to her father about an employee.
(Al-Kitaab C:28 V:26) Said one of the (damsels): "O my (dear) father! engage him on wages: truly the best of men for you to employ is the (man) who is strong and trusty"....
 
The father after learning the qualities of employee from his daughter ie, Strong & Trustworthy, offered the man to be his son-in-law, along with mehr (wulver in N.W.F.P).
 
(Al-Kitaab C:28 V:27) He said: "I intend to wed one of these my daughters to you, on condition that you serve me for eight years; but if you complete ten years, it will be (grace) from you. But I intend not to place youe under a difficulty: you will find me, indeed, if Allah wills, one of the righteous."
 
2.    If not, what if she doesn't consent to Kafeels' proposal/recommendation and wants to marry of her own accord?
 
Consent of Kafeels'  
(Al-Kitaab C:4 V:25) If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess: And Allah has full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another: Wed them (fa'inkihoo'hun'na ) with the permission of (bi-ithni ) their people (ahli'hin'na), and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable: They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours: when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
 
Divorcee can offer without the Consent of Kafeel
(Al-Kitaab C:4 V:25)  When you divorce women, and they fulfil the term of their ('Iddat), do not prevent them from marrying their mates, if they mutually agree on equitable terms. This instruction is for all among you, who believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is (the course Making for) most virtue and purity amongst you and Allah knows, and you know not.
 
3.    In case the girl and the Kafeel do not agree on the same person, whose wish should finally prevail?
In the light of above two Ayaats :-
1. If girl is virgin then consent of her father or kafeel will prevail, girl should obey that if she is mou'mina.
2. If girl is divorcee then woman's consent will prevail, kafeel has no right to intervene.
 
        (Mind you Girl's consent is necessary)
 
STILL MORE IMPORTANT:
3.    Is Nikkah Farz  or Sunnah?
 
Creation of Man & his mate to spread humanity on the earth.
(Al-Kitaab C:7 V:189) O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, His mate, and from them scattered (like seeds) countless men and women;- reverence Allah, through whom ye demand your mutual (rights), and (reverence) the wombs (That bore you): for Allah ever watches over you.
 
Man reside with her this cause her pregnancy to get child.
(Al-Kitaab C:7 V:189) It is He Who created you from a single person, and made his mate of like nature, in order that he might reside with her. When they are united, she bears a pregnancy light and carries it about (unnoticed). When she grows heavy, they both pray to Allah their Lord, (saying): "If Thou givest us a goodly child, we vow we shall (ever) be grateful."
 
Man who is mou'min only can reside with a woman in a marriage bond (Farz),
(Al-Kitaab C:23 V:5 & 6) Who abstain from sex, (5) Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame(of fornication), (6)
 
Else he is blamed of fornication.
(Al-Kitaab C:25 V:68)  Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment.
 
4.    If Sunnah, (whatever type of Sunnah - Kabeer or Moaqqada etc.)
       what if one doesn't follow it and goes for a court marraige or has four witness etc. without the ritual of a mullah or the parent or some other elder reciting the Nikkah kalimat, as long as there are witnesses (2 or 4 as required) to the couple going for the union?
 
If the Authority of Rituals or practice in vogue does not surpass the commandments of ALLAH and is neither disputed by the people then its ok but IF........................!.
(Al-Kitaab C:4 V:59) O ye who trust (in Allah's Commandments)! follow Allah, and follow the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If you differ in anything among yourselves (you & authority among you), refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if you do believe in Allah and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination.
 
OR still Hypothetically:  There is a ship wreck and the only survivors washed ashore on a deserted island are young man and a young woman. Both are Muslims.  Can they marry eachother without Kafeels, Mullahs and other witnesses, after having stayed there for long and with no hope of their evry being resued? They do not know what to recite in Arabic for their nikkah.
Yes you answer is abovementioned Ayat (Al-Kitaab C:23 V:5 & 6)
 
If yes, they can marry, how will their marriage be performed and by who?
Purpose of marriage is for chaste woman or those whom your right hands possess:  
(Al-Kitaab C:4 V:25) .................They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours: ...............
 
& witness !
(Al-Kitaab C:6 V:19) Say: "Which thing is greatest in evidence?" Say: "Allah is witness between me and you; This Qur'an hath been revealed to me by inspiration,so that I should warn you with this and whatever is propagated. Can you possibly bear witness that besides Allah there is another Allah?" Say: "Nay! I cannot bear witness!" Say: "But in truth He is the one Allah, and I truly am innocent of  joining others with Him."
 
(Al-Kitaab C:58 V:07)  Don't you see that Allah do know that is in the heavens and on earth? There is not a secret consultation between three, but He makes the fourth among them, - Nor between five but He makes the sixth,- nor between fewer nor more, but He is in their midst, wheresoever they be: In the end will He tell them the truth of their conduct, on the Day of Judgment. For Allah has full knowledge of all things.
 
Thanks
Naeem
 
 

Riaz Jafri <jafri@...> wrote:
I am no Islamic Jurist. As a layman following questions come to my mind.  Could the more knowledgeable please enlighten me on these?
 
1.    Is girl's consent necessary for Nikkah in Islam or not? 
        In other words, can she be forced to marry against her will?
2.    If not, what if she doesn't consent to Kafeels' proposal/recommendation and wants to marry of her own accord?
 
3.    In case the girl and the Kafeel do not agree on the same person, whose wish should finally prevail?
        (Mind you Girl's consent is necessary)
 
STILL MORE IMPORTANT:
3.    Is Nikkah Farz  or Sunnah?
 
4.    If Sunnah, (whatever type of Sunnah - Kabeer or Moaqqada etc.)
       what if one doesn't follow it and goes for a court marraige or has four witness etc. without the ritual of a mullah or the parent or some other elder reciting the Nikkah kalimat, as long as there are witnesses (2 or 4 as required) to the couple going for the union?
OR still Hypothetically:  There is a ship wreck and the only survivors washed ashore on a deserted island are young man and a young woman. Both are Muslims.  Can they marry eachother without Kafeels, Mullahs and other witnesses, after having stayed there for long and with no hope of their evry being resued? They do not know what to recite in Arabic for their nikkah.
 
If yes, they can marry, how will their marriage be performed and by who?
 
 
Thanks & Regards
Col. Jafri (Retd)
 
P.S.  Please do not just your verdict which is harsh or not practicable.

#4 From: "Naeem-ud-din.Khalid" <shekhuzai@...>
Date: Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:23 am
Subject: A Confession- we are third grade citizens.
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MR. Raja + Choudhary + Naturalized Citizen OF THE UNITED NON-MULSIM STATE OF AMERICA!
 
MOSTLY PEOPLE WHO MIGRATED TO USA USUALLY ASKED THAT WHY ARE YOU NOVING TO A NON-MUSLIM COUNTRIES YOU KNOW WAHT THEY SAY PROUDLY?
 
INSTEAD OF BEING FIRST CLASS CITIZON OF A THIRD(MENIALS) CLASS NATION!
 
WE FEEL PROUD TO BECOME THIRD (MENIALS) CLASS CITIZONS OF A FIRST CLASS NATION!!
 
WHY TO CRY NOW YOU PEOPLE  ELECTED  TO BECOME THIRD CLASS CITIZONS(MENIALS) OF A FIRST CLASS NATION ??????
 
 
----- Original Message ----
From: Raja Choudhary <rajachoudhary1@
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To: Pakistaniawam@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:34:09 AM
Subject: [PakistaniAwam] DON'T YOU GET IT, THEY ARE SHOUTING GO BACK HOME.

Salam brothers and sisters:

It is sad news that we are getting discriminated not only at JOB MARKET but now our VOTING rights have been violated. Muslims moved to USA for an American Dream, but later find out that we are third grade citizens.


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