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Re: [bigdob] Re: color perception in DSO

The gaseous nebulae, as I understand, have emission in mainly H-alpha
in red, H-beta in greenish-blue and OIII in somewhat greener blue. With
normal cone pigments, the peak sensitivities are in approx 420, 535 and
565 nm, the two latter in green (approx 2%, 1/3 and 2/3 respectively).
Thus, color perception must occur only after some processing - not
surprising to me if the threshold for perceiving e.g. OIII light as
colored could vary between individuals with "normal" color vision.

A simple experiment - illuminate a small test target such as a piece
of paper on black background with a green LED (constant current)
filtered by a OIII filter. Vary the distance and use the inverse square
law to determine the ratio threshold of color perception to absolute
perception limit with averted vision. Where do you see it at all -
where do you see it as colored - turquoise or what you call the color?
Does this ratio vary much between persons? I'd love to try for myself
but it will take weeks before I'm back to my "lab"...

But has anyone tried to see if any of the nebulosity in the bright
objects such as the great Orion nebula is visible at all through a H-
alpha filter? The parts I have perceived as reddish are the ones that
are least red on photos - it could well be smoe kind of "wishful
perception" of red...

Nils Olof



Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:23 pm

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Hi everybody, I another discussion list a question about the perception of colours in DSO has been raised. Some people say they are able to see colours in...
mauro_dalio
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Mar 23, 2007
12:20 pm

In my 17.5" Dob, while looking at M42, I have seen areas of "pinkish-gray" and "bluish-gray". But the live eyepiece colors were nothing like what can be seen...
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jackhuerkamp
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Mar 23, 2007
1:47 pm

Well, I've seen colour in the Ring (bluey-green), M42 (faint green) and M64 (yellowish). 22" f/4.8 and 22mm T5 Arthur...
Arthur Edwards
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Mar 23, 2007
2:09 pm

I routinely see color in objects: -M43 ALWAYS shows as salmon color, M42 shows some of the same light pink, and under good transparency it shows green and...
Gary Myers
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Mar 23, 2007
3:21 pm

Hi all, Yes, color is hard to see. Aperture helps. One idea is to compare two bright nebulous objects. I've done this with my 28" using a script, where you...
Dan Gray
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Mar 23, 2007
5:30 pm

When the object is bright enough (like M42 at a dark site in a big scope), mesopic vision is turned on. The cones DO see a low level of color. This is REAL...
pensack1
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Mar 23, 2007
3:00 pm

... I've observed lots of planetaries and emmission nebulate in 25" and 30" dobs. Based on how often other people observe color when I cannot, and the one time...
Attilla Danko
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Mar 23, 2007
3:24 pm

... Thanks Don. This might be an explanation for seeing REAL colors. But, are you sure tha on M42 the vision is mesopic? I think that the brightest parts of...
mauro_dalio
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Mar 23, 2007
3:47 pm

The gaseous nebulae, as I understand, have emission in mainly H-alpha in red, H-beta in greenish-blue and OIII in somewhat greener blue. With normal cone...
Nils Olof Carlin
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Mar 23, 2007
4:24 pm

... Thus you mean that mesopic perception, if occurs, can involve onluythe G and B channels, not the R?...
mauro_dalio
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Mar 23, 2007
5:13 pm

Mauro, "Thus you mean that mesopic perception, if occurs, can involve onluythe G and B channels, not the R?" I'm not sure I understand you here. As I think of...
Nils Olof Carlin
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