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Re: [biochar] low cost/tech clean charcoal


John

This system is based on a Bosch wide band sensor
which monitors stack oxygen levels and offers feedback
control vis a programable logic controller (PLC) to
maintain an excess air regime required for complete
combustion. If the geometry is right products of
incomplete combustion will be minimized and negligable.

We are currently using it on a chain grate stoker. (150
hp, 1.5MWatt thermal) It the same whether we are burning
to ash or char making with wood waste chips.

Alex


> Hi Alex, can you tell us more about <<For about $700 you can
> have an automated system that controls air supply to
> optimize combustion and minimize emissions. It can control a
> damper or an aproprietly sized variable speed fan (more
> money) that injects air into the pyrolysis gases.>>
>
> John
>
>




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Hi Alex, can you tell us more about <<For about $700 you can have an automated system that controls air supply to optimize combustion and minimize emissions....
John Seed
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Oct 16, 2008
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John This system is based on a Bosch wide band sensor which monitors stack oxygen levels and offers feedback control vis a programable logic controller (PLC)...
Alex English
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Oct 16, 2008
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This sounds interesting Alex (as were the two papers linked from your other Oct 16 posting to this thread, the one that starts "AD Karve was promoting a ...
John Seed
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Oct 16, 2008
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Hi all, After reading posts from John and Alex, I followed Alex's links to some conference photos that show a nice and simple retort kiln with 385 gal...
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Oct 16, 2008
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Sorry, I pasted the wrong link. Here it is: http://www.bioenergylists.org/stovesdoc/Karve_Conference/Images/bfcspics.htm Tim...
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Oct 16, 2008
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It's a batch type reactor, that vent's all the gasses into the burn chamber. http://www.biocoal.org/3.html Greg H. ... From: John Seed To:...
Greg and April
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Greg. If the bach type reactor (adam retort) burns all the raw gasses in the burn chamber, the emissions that comes from the stack (shown in drawing) would not...
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Oct 18, 2008
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If you go back 2 posts and look at what I said , I think I said that you would need to scrape together materials **AND** emission controls for another $2300. ...
Greg and April
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Oct 19, 2008
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... I cannot see a catalytic burner doing miracles here, it still has to be supplied with a near stoichiometric mix of fuel and air, it just lowers the...
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Hi Greg, thanks, this looks interesting. So you wrote these folks and asked them for the plans and they want 2000 Euros? English is obviously not their first...
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I mis-typed the cost, I was thinking $2000 US ( rounding the $1,700 up ) and typed Euros instead and then made the conversion to US dollars - my bad. They...
Greg and April
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Well I can't tell you how they are doing it, but many of those certified wood stoves are using a catalytic converter to meet the clean air requirements. One...
Greg and April
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Hi John, A barrel with holes in the bottom of it, that is "cooked" (if you will allow this description) over another open flame will have the gases from the...
Sean K. Barry
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Hi Tim, I might be wrong, but I believe the capacity of the Large Pyrolysis Reactor Alex showed in this paper was about the volume of a 200 liter barrel (~55...
Sean K. Barry
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Hi Tim, Yes, I now see the 7 barrels inside the kiln about 3/4 of the way down this page. There is a statement with a nearby picture, "A fire is lit below and...
Sean K. Barry
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Hi Sean, thanks for your explanation. I wonder if it would be possible to design this with a tall flue sucking air in to where we need the oxygen - ie to the...
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Sean, you write that <<Measuring the product gases coming out of the top of the chimney, seeing a low CO:CO2 ratio and some oxygen content in the exhaust, etc...
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Hi John, I think you point out the problem yourself when you say, "... air in to where we need the oxygen - ie to the heating flames and the gases that are...
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Hi John, The needed component is an oxygen sensor. CO and CO2 monitoring would be useful to verify the performance of the regulating system, but the lambda...
Sean K. Barry
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I am a totally impractical sort of guy, as no doubt has been noticed from some of my previous communications, and not into DIY any more. But the wood burning...
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Hi John, Paul, I keep trying to say this. Pyrolysis of biomass has two distinct thermodynamic stages. The first is "endothermic", where input of external...
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Sean, I’d suggest that for your pyrolysis to be self-sustaining once past the exothermic stage, a reasonably-insulated container is required. The...
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Sorry to be so dense Sean but I think I understand now. So, once the reaction has begun, and as long as the reaction is well insulated and there is the...
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Oct 25, 2008
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It would make an interesting x-prize type of competion to design a mobile pyrolyser to slowly create fire breaks using a syngas engine(s) to drive itself...
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Hi John, Yes, now you see it as I do. Thank you too much for stating it so succinctly. Pyrolysis gases can be used to run a vehicle, yes. This was done...
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See the "Burning Man Celebration", an exposition in Nevada every July. This would be the thing to show off there. SKB ... From:...
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