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#30 From: "Kevin Chisholm" <kchisholm@...>
Date: Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:16 pm
Subject: Re: Tom Miles --
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There probably is a simple way to do this as follows: The List Manager could install a filter that sent any posting with "Auto Reply" in the subject to trash.
 
As a second level of defense, any such messages that contained an Auto Reply Message, and got through the filter because there was no "Auto Reply" word in the Subject could be cut off the list.
 
Best wishes,
 
Kevin
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 4:47 AM
Subject: RE: Tom Miles -- [biochar]

Is there any provision to deal with people who are on inter-galactic space voyages?

There should be!

Mark

From: biochar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg and April
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 12:19 AM
To: biochar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Tom Miles -- [biochar]

Tom,

Is there any provision with the new list, to deal with "out of the office" posts like this one?

Greg H.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 0:02

Subject: [biochar]

I will be out of the office starting 22/06/2008 and will not return until 15/07/2008.




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#29 From: "Mark Ludlow" <mark@...>
Date: Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:43 pm
Subject: RE: [Terrapreta] RE: re Cameron Smith has some questions
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Isn’t there a separate list for screamers, now?

 

Mark

 

From: terrapreta-bounces@... [mailto:terrapreta-bounces@...] On Behalf Of folke Günther
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 4:18 AM
To:
Cc: Terrapreta; biochar-ontario@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] [biochar] RE: re Cameron Smith has some questions

 

Sorry, but it's even worse: The right figure is eight billion tons of carbon
That is, Twenty-nine billion tons of carbon dioxide
You can not fight that with charring only, you also have to reduce the emissions by about 90% (1 Gt C/year). Then, if you are good at it, and increase the charring to about  two billion tonnes of carbon per year, you may reach a somewhat safe level, 350 ppm, in about
 
70 years

S
orry for the screaming
FG

 

 Humans are adding over eight billion tons of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere every year from the burning of fossil fuels (natural gas, coal and oil)!  (3.67 tonnes of carbon dioxide is equivalent to 1 tonne of solid carbon.)

This is why the Global atmosphere is warming, polar ice caps are melting, and we are at such a critical point with respect to the biological equilibrium that keeps us all alive.


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#28 From: "Greg and April" <gregandapril@...>
Date: Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:43 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Move to Biochar@yahoogroups.com
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Tom,

What you might do is keep the terapreta@... as a back up to
archive the yahoo group messages.

Set it up, so the yahoo group send the old list a message - just disable the
old list from sending out messages in turn.


Just a thought -

Greg H.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Miles" <tmiles@...>
To: <biochar@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:50
Subject: [biochar] Re: Move to Biochar@yahoogroups.com


> Kevin,
>
> Posts that go to terapreta@... will not appear on
> biochar@yahoogroups.com It is on a different server. Please post only
> to biochar@yahoogroups.com
>
> We will discontinue terrapreta@....
>
> "...biochar is simply charcoal used for agricultural purposes."
> (Gardening with Biochar FAQ http://biochar.pbwiki.com Phllip Small)
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
>
>
> --- In biochar@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Chisholm" <kchisholm@...> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Tom
>>
>> Thanks very much for the concentration of interests in various
> interest groups.
>>
>> If we post to the Terra Preta address, will the posting also show on
> the "biochar" list? OR, should we cease posting to the Terra Preta
> address?
>>
>> What would you propose as a definition of "biochar"?
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Kevin
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

#27 From: "Greg and April" <gregandapril@...>
Date: Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:35 pm
Subject: Re: Tom Miles --
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I have heard that the office computer send these notices out every time they
get a e-mail - from what I understand other list owners usually go in and
change the e-mail preferences of the offender to either " no mail " or "
special notices only " and then send the offender a note telling them why
the change was made - when the offender comes back, he/she can then change
it back if they wish.


This particular person is probably getting a daily digest, otherwise the
list would be getting the computer replies to it's own message - saw a case
about a year ago, that generated about 500 e-mails in one day, because the
persons computer replied to the list for each message ( including the
replies it sent to the list ), it ended up snow balling and effectively shut
down the list for about 24-36 hrs, before a Mod could make the changes.


Greg H.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Miles" <tmiles@...>
To: <biochar@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:53
Subject: Re: Tom Miles -- [biochar]


> 'I'm sure there is. We just haven't discovered it yet. We haven't had
> this issue yet (in eight years) on other Yahoo lists so it is new to us.
>
> Tom
>
> --- In biochar@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Ludlow" <mark@...> wrote:
>>
>> Is there any provision to deal with people who are on inter-galactic
> space
>> voyages?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

#26 From: "Mark Ludlow" <mark@...>
Date: Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:33 pm
Subject: RE: Move to Biochar@yahoogroups.com
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Kevin:

 

I would propose, as an example of Biochar, the toast that I am eating for breakfast this morning, (prepared under the broiler of my kitchen stove): black, porous, indigestible and slightly carcinogenic (heterocyclic amines) .

 

Mark

 

From: biochar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chisholm
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 11:23 PM
To: biochar@yahoogroups.com; terrapreta-bounces@...
Subject: Re: [biochar] Move to Biochar@yahoogroups.com

 

Dear Tom

 

Thanks very much for the concentration of interests in various interest groups.

 

If we post to the Terra Preta address, will the posting also show on the "biochar" list? OR, should we cease posting to the Terra Preta address?

 

What would you propose as a definition of "biochar"?

 

Best wishes,

 

Kevin

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Miles

Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 3:00 AM

Subject: [biochar] Move to Biochar@yahoogroups.com

 

Hi,


Everyone that is registered on  terrapreta@... is now registered on biochar@yahoogroups.com so we can move the Biochar discussion there.

Biochar@yahoogroups.com:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/biochar/

Intended focus: a practical discussion of using biochar as an
agricultural amendment. This is intended to be a technical discussion
on making biochar and using it to improve soil quality.


Thanks,


Tom Miles

tmiles@...


#25 From: "Tom Miles" <tmiles@...>
Date: Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:53 pm
Subject: Re: Tom Miles --
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'I'm sure there is. We just haven't discovered it yet. We haven't had
this issue yet (in eight years) on other Yahoo lists so it is new to us.

Tom

--- In biochar@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Ludlow" <mark@...> wrote:
>
> Is there any provision to deal with people who are on inter-galactic
space
> voyages?

#24 From: "Tom Miles" <tmiles@...>
Date: Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:50 pm
Subject: Re: Move to Biochar@yahoogroups.com
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Kevin,

Posts that go to terapreta@... will not appear on
biochar@yahoogroups.com It is on a different server. Please post only
to biochar@yahoogroups.com

We will discontinue terrapreta@....

"...biochar is simply charcoal used for agricultural purposes."
(Gardening with Biochar FAQ http://biochar.pbwiki.com Phllip Small)

Thanks

Tom


--- In biochar@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Chisholm" <kchisholm@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Tom
>
> Thanks very much for the concentration of interests in various
interest groups.
>
> If we post to the Terra Preta address, will the posting also show on
the "biochar" list? OR, should we cease posting to the Terra Preta
address?
>
> What would you propose as a definition of "biochar"?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Kevin

#23 From: "Mark Ludlow" <mark@...>
Date: Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:13 am
Subject: RE: [Terrapreta] re Cameron Smith has some questions
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Hi Keith,

Can you speak more directly to “….hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen and other elements in forms that are either retained in the soil (stable organic forms)”, versus biochar? My assumption is that fully developed humus is comparatively stable in the soil matrix. Please compare the relative stability of genuine humus and char.

 

Thank you, for helping me to understand this!

 

Best regards,

Mark

 

From: terrapreta-bounces@... [mailto:terrapreta-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Reid, Keith (OMAFRA)
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 11:04 PM
To: 'Terrapreta'; biochar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Terrapreta] re Cameron Smith has some questions

 

If I may, I’d like to add my perspective to the mix.  It may help to clarify the difference between soil organic matter and bio-char.

 

Soil organic matter (humus) is made up of a mixture of complex organic compounds, including hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen and other elements in forms that are either retained in the soil (stable organic forms) or cycled through the various soil biota.  Bio-char, in contrast, is nearly pure carbon, and is not readily used as a food source for soil organisms.  This is where the relative stability of char in the soil comes into play.  The Terra preta soils in the Amazon rainforest are unique because they contain a significant portion of carbon, in the form of char, where organic matter is very quickly used up and leached away in most soils.  The value of the char is not, if you like, the carbon itself, but the fact that it provides the physical and chemical conditions to be a habitat for a thriving soil biota, and acts to hold on to nutrients that would otherwise wash away. 

 

The opportunities for bio-char in temperate soils are probably greatest in the area of carbon sequestration, because it does hold the carbon in a relatively stable form.  It is unknown, so far, if it will provide the same productivity boost to plants growing in the char amended soil that occurs in the highly degraded soils of the rain forest.  We should probably be looking on bio-char as a companion to conventional practices for increasing soil organic matter, rather than as a replacement.

 

Keith Reid

Soil Fertility Specialist

 

Phone:  519 271-9269

 


From: biochar-ontario@googlegroups.com [mailto:biochar-ontario@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd Helferty
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 1:53 AM
To: 'Jeff Berg'; 'Cameron Smith'
Cc: 'Bruce Darrell'; 'Douglas Prest'; biochar-ontario@googlegroups.com; 'terra pretta group'
Subject: RE: re Cameron Smith has some questions

 

Jeff, Cameron,

 

  Sorry for the late reply, but I just wanted to come back to this message.

  I'm going to forward this to a new grouping of people in Ontario who have come together to talk 'Biochar'.  We are calling ourselves "Biochar-Ontario".

I am also copying the folks on the TerraPreta BioEnergy List for discussion there. (I can forward you a compendium of their responses at a later date if you would like.)

 

  My own response would be as follows:

 

You say that "Taking carbon out of circulation may not be a good idea."  This statement actually astounds me. Humans are adding over eight billion tons of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere every year from the burning of fossil fuels (natural gas, coal and oil)!  (3.67 tonnes of carbon dioxide is equivalent to 1 tonne of solid carbon.)

This is why the Global atmosphere is warming, polar ice caps are melting, and we are at such a critical point with respect to the biological equilibrium that keeps us all alive.

 

You correctly point out that all living things are part of the carbon cycle and that carbon is continually turned over during the natural progression through birth, growth, death, decomposition and re-birth. It is always in a state of flux, moving between plants, animals, soils, microbial biomass, the atmosphere, rivers and oceans. Some of the carbon atoms in our bodies at this moment have in the past been constituents of the plants, animals and soils present on earth many millions of years ago. People are around 18% carbon, wood around 50% and the organic matter component of soils are around 58% carbon.

Importantly, the processes that build new topsoil require that more carbon be stored in soil than is lost to the atmosphere!

In a healthy ecosystem, vibrant, living soils are one of the most important and dynamic parts of the carbon cycle. The carbon compounds added to soil (usually naturally, as exudates from active plant roots and the decomposition of plant and animal residues), are the 'fuel' for all of the biological processes that improve soil structure, which in turn increases oxygen and moisture retention and creates better conditions for more life.  Deliberately adding additional carbon to soils is intended to leverage this natural process.


82% of the carbon in the terrestrial biosphere is already in the soil -- not in the living biomass above the soil.  For instance, healthy grasslands may contain over 100 times more carbon in the soil than on it.

The world's soils hold three times as much carbon as the atmosphere and over four times as much carbon as all of the vegetation combined. Soil therefore represents the largest carbon sink over which we have control.

 

Up to 80% of the carbon has already been lost from the topsoil in many farmed soils, often as a direct result of the loss of the soil itself. Even today, most farming businesses continue to lose soil carbon - their most valuable asset!

As a result, landholders invest a great deal of time and effort in forcing ‘dead’ soils to be productive ~ using ever increasing quantities of natural and chemical "fertilizers".

 

Soils under healthy perennial pasture may contain up to 350 tonnes of carbon per hectare and sustain high levels of microbial activity. Conversely, there is very little organic carbon left to lose from the surface horizons of many farmed soils.

 

Increasing soil carbon levels will result in improved soil structure, lower bulk density, greater porosity, higher infiltration rates, more effective use of rainfall, enhanced water quality, higher cation exchange capacity, greater sequestration of nitrogen and sulphur, enhanced availability of phosphorus and trace elements, reduced costs, reduced inputs, improved biodiversity and increased productivity.


These positive outcomes are all linked to what should be the core business of EVERY farm business – the sequestration of atmospheric carbon!

 

For every 2.7 tonnes of carbon that can be sequestered into soil, this represents 10 tonnes of carbon dioxide removed from the atmosphere.  Humans would have to bury over 2 Billion tons of Biochar every year to make up for what we are adding to the atmosphere through the burning of fossil fuels.  We won't be able to do it alone.

 

Our intention is to put the Biochar back into the soils and use the Biochar as a type of 'catalyst' to assist and accelerate nature's own processes to create ever more life so that nature herself can do the job of sequestering all of that excess atmospheric carbon for us.

 

Biochar doesn't just "fix nitrogen".  Biochar can potentially benefits the soil horizon by:

    * Enhancing plant growth
    * Suppressing methane emission
    * Reducing nitrous oxide emission (by up to 50%)
         -- Nitrous Oxide is a major greenhouse gas. The atmospheric concentration of nitrous oxide has grown by about 15% since the mid-1700's. It has 310 times more impact on global warming per mass unit of carbon dioxide (CO2).
    * Reducing fertilizer requirements (by at least 10% in already depleted soils)
    * Reducing the leaching of nutrients
    * Lowering soil acidity
    * Lowering aluminium toxicity
    * Increasing soil aggregation due to increased fungal hyphae
    * Improving soil water handling characteristics
    * Increasing soil levels of available Ca, Mg, P, and K (calcium, magnesium, phosphorus and potassium -- all of which are essential for plant growth)
    * Increasing soil microbial respiration
    * Increasing soil microbial biomass
    * Stimulating symbiotic nitrogen fixation in legumes
    * Increasing arbuscular mycorrhyzal fungi
    * Increasing cation exchange capacity

 

  And, most importantly, for storing carbon in a long term stable sink.

 

But it won't be just Biochar alone that will be able to do this.  It will require substantial changes in a multitude of human 'systems' -- including the restoration of vast expanses of agricultural lands that have now been so degraded as to be nearly unusable without their chemical inputs. (This can be done through the use of organic methods of farming, i.e. Permaculture, without having to sacrifice the production of food ~ although food production would become more labour intensive and thus more expensive.  But we are seeing the latter anyway, especially with the rising prices of oil & natural gas.)

Basically, it will require that we (humanity) work to re-establish and re-establish (re-naturalize) what we have effectively depleted; the most important resource we have: the natural ecosystems of this Earth.

 

As Jeff has so correctly pointed out, Biochar is "The Mother of All Wedges".

 

    Lloyd Helferty, Engineering Technologist

    Thornhill, ON

    905-707-8754

    647-886-8754

 

 


From: Jeff Berg [mailto:jeffberg@...]
Sent: June 17, 2008 9:07 PM
To: Bruce Darrell; Douglas Prest; Lloyd Helferty
Cc: Cameron Smith
Subject: re Cameron Smith has some questions
Importance: High

Gentleman I present to you Mr. Cameron Smith, Mr. Smith meet what I call the burgeoning biochar brain trust.

 

Lloyd Helferty: GPO Research and Innovation Candidate and an energy technologist.

Douglas Prest: (if I remember correctly) Is a professionally trained engineer and working with Lloyd on a business model for biochar.  

Bruce Darrel: Is a trained architect and FEASTA researcher where he has worked with Richard Douthewaite for the last couple of years.

 

Cameron as most of you will probably already know is a writer and thinker of some renown, writes articles for the Toronto Star, and is a man who has been on the right side of the ecological ledger for many decades now. 

 

Gentlemen below you will find a few questions by Senor Cameron on biochar. (Or what I like to call 'The Mother of All Wedges":-)

 

ton confrere,

 

----- Original Message -----

To: Jeff Berg

Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:56 PM

Subject: Re: Biochar/Gassification Experimentation Kit

 

Jeff, 

 

Thanks for sending me this material on the experimenter's kit.

 

I have a concern that I haven't yet been able to resolve. As I read it, biochar is like coke. It takes carbon out of circulation for a long period of time. I've been searching, so far without success, for a life cycle analysis of the carbon that is being sequestered. What would it have been doing in the specific environment in question if it had been dealt with in other ways? For instance, the compost you get from biodigesters can be returned to the soil in ways that allow carbon to ensure the availability of minerals and nutrients. As we know, carbon operates in a zillion way to create a healthy soil, and good and abundant food comes only from healthy soils. I keep seeing assertions that biochar is a good fertilizer, because it fixes nitrogen. But carbon's role in ecosystems goes way beyond that.

 

Globally, we've lost 20 per cent of topsoil within the past 50 years. I don't have an equivalent figure for soil degradation, but it also is a major concern. Taking carbon out of circulation may not be a good idea. I keep running into technological proposals all the time where there hasn't been a thorough examination of ecological effects, and so I keep trying to go back to basic ecological principles. 

 

Can you help with this?

 

Cameron

 

On 11-Jun-08, at 1:27 AM, Jeff Berg wrote:

 

 

 
Gasification Experimenter's Kit

Jeremy Faludi
May 29, 2008 10:27 PM

 

Want to make your own carbon-negative fuel at home? You may soon be able to. We wrote last fall about gasification and biochar being a way to burn agricultural waste or other organic matter in a special way that (theoretically) sequesters more carbon in the resulting charcoal than it emits into the atmosphere while burning... 


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#22 From: chris braun <brauncch@...>
Date: Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:27 pm
Subject: CharDB 2.0 released!
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Dear biochar testers,

The new release CharDB 2.0 of the public online database for biochar
experiments is now available!
http://terracarbona.org/chardb/

I have changed the process for registering new items and improved the
browsing functionality. You should now be able to record more easily
your biochar soil amendment trials in the uniform format "CharML" and
to compare them with existing results. The database needs now to be
populated and widely diffused, so let me know of your own experiments
and follow the registration process to add your contribution!

Notice that you need to be registered as user to access CharDB. All
people who were registered to the former version of CharDB have been
automatically added and a mail will be sent to them in a few minutes
to recall them of their username and password.
If you are not already a CharDB user, you can register (for free!) at
http://terracarbona.org/chardb/registration.php
.

Your feedback is very important to guide further development of CharDB
and CharML, so if you have any question, problem or comment please
write to chardb@.... Thanks for your help!

Sincerely yours,
Chris
http://terracarbona.org

#21 From: "Mark Ludlow" <mark@...>
Date: Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:47 am
Subject: RE: Tom Miles --
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Is there any provision to deal with people who are on inter-galactic space voyages?

 

There should be!

 

Mark

 

From: biochar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg and April
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 12:19 AM
To: biochar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Tom Miles -- [biochar]

 

Tom,

 

Is there any provision with the new list, to deal with "out of the office" posts like this one?

 

Greg H.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 0:02

Subject: [biochar]

 

I will be out of the office starting 22/06/2008 and will not return until 15/07/2008.




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#20 From: "Kevin Chisholm" <kchisholm@...>
Date: Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:22 am
Subject: Re: Move to Biochar@yahoogroups.com
kchisholm@...
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Dear Tom
 
Thanks very much for the concentration of interests in various interest groups.
 
If we post to the Terra Preta address, will the posting also show on the "biochar" list? OR, should we cease posting to the Terra Preta address?
 
What would you propose as a definition of "biochar"?
 
Best wishes,
 
Kevin
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Miles
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 3:00 AM
Subject: [biochar] Move to Biochar@yahoogroups.com

Hi,

Everyone that is registered on  terrapreta@bioenergylists.org is now registered on biochar@yahoogroups.com so we can move the Biochar discussion there.

Biochar@yahoogroups.com:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/biochar/

Intended focus: a practical discussion of using biochar as an
agricultural amendment. This is intended to be a technical discussion
on making biochar and using it to improve soil quality.


Thanks,

Tom Miles

tmiles@trmiles.com


#19 From: "folke Günther" <folkeg@...>
Date: Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:18 am
Subject: Re: RE: re Cameron Smith has some questions
folkeg@...
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Sorry, but it's even worse: The right figure is eight billion tons of carbon
That is,
Twenty-nine billion tons of carbon dioxide
You can not fight that with charring only, you also have to reduce the emissions by about 90% (1 Gt C/year). Then, if you are good at it, and increase the charring to about  two billion tonnes of carbon per year, you may reach a somewhat safe level, 350 ppm, in about
 70 years

S
orry for the screaming
FG


 Humans are adding over eight billion tons of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere every year from the burning of fossil fuels (natural gas, coal and oil)!  (3.67 tonnes of carbon dioxide is equivalent to 1 tonne of solid carbon.)

This is why the Global atmosphere is warming, polar ice caps are melting, and we are at such a critical point with respect to the biological equilibrium that keeps us all alive.


--
NB :Send your mails to folkeg@..., not to holon.se
----------------------------------------
Folke Günther
Kollegievägen 19
224 73 Lund
Sweden
Phone: +46 (0)46 141429
Cell: +46 (0)709 710306
URL: http://www.holon.se/folke
BLOG: http://folkegunther.blogspot.com/

#18 From: "folke Günther" <folkeg@...>
Date: Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:14 am
Subject: Re: RE: re Cameron Smith has some questions
folkeg@...
Send Email Send Email
 


2008/6/28 Reid, Keith (OMAFRA) <tmiles@...>:

If I may, I'd like to add my perspective to the mix.  It may help to clarify the difference between soil organic matter and bio-char.

 

Soil organic matter (humus) is made up of a mixture of complex organic compounds, including hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen and other elements in forms that are either retained in the soil (stable organic forms) or cycled through the various soil biota.  Bio-char, in contrast, is nearly pure carbon, and is not readily used as a food source for soil organisms.  This is where the relative stability of char in the soil comes into play.  The Terra preta soils in the Amazon rainforest are unique because they contain a significant portion of carbon, in the form of char, where organic matter is very quickly used up and leached away in most soils.  The value of the char is not, if you like, the carbon itself, but the fact that it provides the physical and chemical conditions to be a habitat for a thriving soil biota, and acts to hold on to nutrients that would otherwise wash away. 

 

The opportunities for bio-char in temperate soils are probably greatest in the area of carbon sequestration, because it does hold the carbon in a relatively stable form.  It is unknown, so far, if it will provide the same productivity boost to plants growing in the char amended soil that occurs in the highly degraded soils of the rain forest.  We should probably be looking on bio-char as a companion to conventional practices for increasing soil organic matter, rather than as a replacement.

Even in soils in northern temperate areas (as Sweden) the effects on plant growh are profound due to the increase in soil metabolism, (as well as other), caused by the presence of charcoal. However, the addition of organic material shouldn't be overlooked because the increased decomposition rate associated with charcoal.
As you have two (or more) non-interfering benign effects, it is hard to decide which is the most important.
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From: biochar-ontario@googlegroups.com [mailto:biochar-ontario@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd Helferty
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 1:53 AM
To: 'Jeff Berg'; 'Cameron Smith'
Cc: 'Bruce Darrell'; 'Douglas Prest'; biochar-ontario@googlegroups.com; 'terra pretta group'
Subject: RE: re Cameron Smith has some questions

 

Jeff, Cameron,

 

  Sorry for the late reply, but I just wanted to come back to this message.

  I'm going to forward this to a new grouping of people in Ontario who have come together to talk 'Biochar'.  We are calling ourselves "Biochar-Ontario".

I am also copying the folks on the TerraPreta BioEnergy List for discussion there. (I can forward you a compendium of their responses at a later date if you would like.)

 

  My own response would be as follows:

 

You say that "Taking carbon out of circulation may not be a good idea."  This statement actually astounds me. Humans are adding over eight billion tons of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere every year from the burning of fossil fuels (natural gas, coal and oil)!  (3.67 tonnes of carbon dioxide is equivalent to 1 tonne of solid carbon.)

This is why the Global atmosphere is warming, polar ice caps are melting, and we are at such a critical point with respect to the biological equilibrium that keeps us all alive.

 

You correctly point out that all living things are part of the carbon cycle and that carbon is continually turned over during the natural progression through birth, growth, death, decomposition and re-birth. It is always in a state of flux, moving between plants, animals, soils, microbial biomass, the atmosphere, rivers and oceans. Some of the carbon atoms in our bodies at this moment have in the past been constituents of the plants, animals and soils present on earth many millions of years ago. People are around 18% carbon, wood around 50% and the organic matter component of soils are around 58% carbon.

Importantly, the processes that build new topsoil require that more carbon be stored in soil than is lost to the atmosphere!

In a healthy ecosystem, vibrant, living soils are one of the most important and dynamic parts of the carbon cycle. The carbon compounds added to soil (usually naturally, as exudates from active plant roots and the decomposition of plant and animal residues), are the 'fuel' for all of the biological processes that improve soil structure, which in turn increases oxygen and moisture retention and creates better conditions for more life.  Deliberately adding additional carbon to soils is intended to leverage this natural process.


82% of the carbon in the terrestrial biosphere is already in the soil -- not in the living biomass above the soil.  For instance, healthy grasslands may contain over 100 times more carbon in the soil than on it.

The world's soils hold three times as much carbon as the atmosphere and over four times as much carbon as all of the vegetation combined. Soil therefore represents the largest carbon sink over which we have control.

 

Up to 80% of the carbon has already been lost from the topsoil in many farmed soils, often as a direct result of the loss of the soil itself. Even today, most farming businesses continue to lose soil carbon - their most valuable asset!

As a result, landholders invest a great deal of time and effort in forcing 'dead' soils to be productive ~ using ever increasing quantities of natural and chemical "fertilizers".

 

Soils under healthy perennial pasture may contain up to 350 tonnes of carbon per hectare and sustain high levels of microbial activity. Conversely, there is very little organic carbon left to lose from the surface horizons of many farmed soils.

 

Increasing soil carbon levels will result in improved soil structure, lower bulk density, greater porosity, higher infiltration rates, more effective use of rainfall, enhanced water quality, higher cation exchange capacity, greater sequestration of nitrogen and sulphur, enhanced availability of phosphorus and trace elements, reduced costs, reduced inputs, improved biodiversity and increased productivity.


These positive outcomes are all linked to what should be the core business of EVERY farm business – the sequestration of atmospheric carbon!

 

For every 2.7 tonnes of carbon that can be sequestered into soil, this represents 10 tonnes of carbon dioxide removed from the atmosphere.  Humans would have to bury over 2 Billion tons of Biochar every year to make up for what we are adding to the atmosphere through the burning of fossil fuels.  We won't be able to do it alone.

 

Our intention is to put the Biochar back into the soils and use the Biochar as a type of 'catalyst' to assist and accelerate nature's own processes to create ever more life so that nature herself can do the job of sequestering all of that excess atmospheric carbon for us.

 

Biochar doesn't just "fix nitrogen".  Biochar can potentially benefits the soil horizon by:

    * Enhancing plant growth
    * Suppressing methane emission
    * Reducing nitrous oxide emission (by up to 50%)
         -- Nitrous Oxide is a major greenhouse gas. The atmospheric concentration of nitrous oxide has grown by about 15% since the mid-1700's. It has 310 times more impact on global warming per mass unit of carbon dioxide (CO2).
    * Reducing fertilizer requirements (by at least 10% in already depleted soils)
    * Reducing the leaching of nutrients
    * Lowering soil acidity
    * Lowering aluminium toxicity
    * Increasing soil aggregation due to increased fungal hyphae
    * Improving soil water handling characteristics
    * Increasing soil levels of available Ca, Mg, P, and K (calcium, magnesium, phosphorus and potassium -- all of which are essential for plant growth)
    * Increasing soil microbial respiration
    * Increasing soil microbial biomass
    * Stimulating symbiotic nitrogen fixation in legumes
    * Increasing arbuscular mycorrhyzal fungi
    * Increasing cation exchange capacity

 

  And, most importantly, for storing carbon in a long term stable sink.

 

But it won't be just Biochar alone that will be able to do this.  It will require substantial changes in a multitude of human 'systems' -- including the restoration of vast expanses of agricultural lands that have now been so degraded as to be nearly unusable without their chemical inputs. (This can be done through the use of organic methods of farming, i.e. Permaculture, without having to sacrifice the production of food ~ although food production would become more labour intensive and thus more expensive.  But we are seeing the latter anyway, especially with the rising prices of oil & natural gas.)

Basically, it will require that we (humanity) work to re-establish and re-establish (re-naturalize) what we have effectively depleted; the most important resource we have: the natural ecosystems of this Earth.

 

As Jeff has so correctly pointed out, Biochar is "The Mother of All Wedges".

 

    Lloyd Helferty, Engineering Technologist

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From: Jeff Berg [mailto:jeffberg@...]
Sent: June 17, 2008 9:07 PM
To: Bruce Darrell; Douglas Prest; Lloyd Helferty
Cc: Cameron Smith
Subject: re Cameron Smith has some questions
Importance: High

Gentleman I present to you Mr. Cameron Smith, Mr. Smith meet what I call the burgeoning biochar brain trust.

 

Lloyd Helferty: GPO Research and Innovation Candidate and an energy technologist.

Douglas Prest: (if I remember correctly) Is a professionally trained engineer and working with Lloyd on a business model for biochar.  

Bruce Darrel: Is a trained architect and FEASTA researcher where he has worked with Richard Douthewaite for the last couple of years.

 

Cameron as most of you will probably already know is a writer and thinker of some renown, writes articles for the Toronto Star, and is a man who has been on the right side of the ecological ledger for many decades now. 

 

Gentlemen below you will find a few questions by Senor Cameron on biochar. (Or what I like to call 'The Mother of All Wedges":-)

 

ton confrere,

 

----- Original Message -----

To: Jeff Berg

Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:56 PM

Subject: Re: Biochar/Gassification Experimentation Kit

 

Jeff, 

 

Thanks for sending me this material on the experimenter's kit.

 

I have a concern that I haven't yet been able to resolve. As I read it, biochar is like coke. It takes carbon out of circulation for a long period of time. I've been searching, so far without success, for a life cycle analysis of the carbon that is being sequestered. What would it have been doing in the specific environment in question if it had been dealt with in other ways? For instance, the compost you get from biodigesters can be returned to the soil in ways that allow carbon to ensure the availability of minerals and nutrients. As we know, carbon operates in a zillion way to create a healthy soil, and good and abundant food comes only from healthy soils. I keep seeing assertions that biochar is a good fertilizer, because it fixes nitrogen. But carbon's role in ecosystems goes way beyond that.

 

Globally, we've lost 20 per cent of topsoil within the past 50 years. I don't have an equivalent figure for soil degradation, but it also is a major concern. Taking carbon out of circulation may not be a good idea. I keep running into technological proposals all the time where there hasn't been a thorough examination of ecological effects, and so I keep trying to go back to basic ecological principles. 

 

Can you help with this?

 

Cameron

 

On 11-Jun-08, at 1:27 AM, Jeff Berg wrote:

 

 

 
Gasification Experimenter's Kit

Jeremy Faludi
May 29, 2008 10:27 PM

 

Want to make your own carbon-negative fuel at home? You may soon be able to. We wrote last fall about gasification and biochar being a way to burn agricultural waste or other organic matter in a special way that (theoretically) sequesters more carbon in the resulting charcoal than it emits into the atmosphere while burning... 


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Charcoal fines could be desactivate chemicals and going to pond.

I couldn't understand the above meaning.
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Dear All,

This is my first contribution to the list.  I have been following the
discussions very keenly and very enlightened by the very detailed and
professional inputs.

- Recently a funding agency in Finland (SIEMENPUU)
Foundation,(www.siemenpuu.org) put aside a small grant of around 8,000
Euro to support small trials on Terra Preta in India.  This is a one
of- funding and they dont have any funds for such work since their
focus is currently in other aspects and with a limited group of focus
partners in Asia, Africa and Americas.

For this particular fund, the implementing partners are small NGOs
working with local communities within their India programme.

The small grants are basically to support:
1. The Technical aspect of turning biomass into char (purchase or
conversion of stoves)
2. A small amount of money towards the using the char in field trials
3. Follow up and sharing of that data and results from the field work.

Question to the group-
- Those doing similar experiments or work in India- is there a map
that we can probably locate them?  For example a google map?

- Considering that this is going to be such a big issue (food
security, CCS, biodiversity etc), is there a small reference manual on
the practical issues to consider when introducing the concept to rural
communities? The idea here is something that can be used by
semi-literate groups- who would form the majority of char users.


The information from these field experiments will be shared through-
this network and the following portals

http://www.e-plies.org (please use it as well if you have some info to
share - http://e-plies.org/?q=project/terrapreta

http://www.udongo.org
http://www.shalinry.org

Good week ahead

Peter

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Bear,

            In your post to Jeff you identified upwards of 50% of the biomass C ( about 25% dry weight ) can be recovered in a form that will have long term stability.  I agree with this as a generalisation, but thought you might be interested to know that we did some process tests last year that suggest the upside can be quite a lot.  With just the one test material ( softwood sawdust ) the recovered carbon char over a few tests was probably 33% of the dry mass.  I say probably because the char was 42% but tested 80% carbon and with a reasonable ash allowance then there was still some portion of the C in other structures that may not be long lived in the soil. We have yet to turn that into an ongoing process, but that will be done in due course.

 

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Dear Folke Günther, TYVM for this;

But, as wetlands, or pond shores, are among the most productive ecosystems in the world, why one should look at the if one is interested in carbon catching. But I would rather recommend focussing on the shore vegetation for both nutrient and carbon catching (By charring the relatively dry pond shore vegetation instead of the bottom sludge of the pond). Constructing ponds like the wetpark system would do that.

I read wetpark and agree with hyporeic thinkings.

I feel about ponds of high yield bioactivity.

We are working with doctor Richard Haard and Peggy Korth in cattail

production for biofuels but perhaps combining with algae and fishes

can demonstrate our tenet:

"But, as wetlands, or pond shores, are among the most productive ecosystems in the world,"

Charcoal fines could be desactivate chemicals and going to pond.

TYVM again and congratulations,Ben

--- El vie 27-jun-08, folke Günther <folkeg@...> escribió:

De: folke Günther <folkeg@...>
Asunto: Re: [biochar] PONDS AND CARBON
Para: biochar@yahoogroups.com
Fecha: viernes, 27 de junio de 2008, 12:51 pm

Fine. But there are some small problems associated with that.

  • Not all ponds (especially not constructed farm ponds) will eventually turn into a mire. I would say that it is rather rare.The small pond depth and oxygenation status would rather turn them into a steady state, where respiration will equal assimilation. I.e.no net accumulation of carbon
  • It is a rather well-known fact in ecology that when a more mature ecosystem (in this case: the pond) is bordering to a more immature ecosystem (the farmland), there is always a flow of nutrients over the border towards the mature system. These are in this case collected in the pond and drives the high photosynthesis rate. But, if the relationship is the reverse, as in a small lake in a forest, where the forest is the more mature system, then the flow is reversed and you get an oligotrophic lake, with low photosynthetic rate. So, the results can not be extrapolated to ponds/small lakes in general.
  • But, as wetlands, or pond shores, are among the most productive ecosystems in the world, why one should look at the if one is interested in carbon catching. But I would rather recommend focussing on the shore vegetation for both nutrient and carbon catching (By charring the relatively dry pond shore vegetation instead of the bottom sludge of the pond). Constructing ponds like the wetpark system would do that.
FG


2008/6/27 Benjamin Domingo Bof <benjaminbof@ yahoo.com. ar>:


Ponds and carbon

New research from the USA suggests that ponds can trap as much carbon
as the ocean.

The work led by Professor John Downing from Iowa State University,
estimated how fast sediment accumulated in constructed farm ponds and
reservoirs (impoundments) to see how much carbon they trapped.

The ponds and reservoirs were all in intensively farmed agricultural
areas so were usually very nutrient-rich (due to fertilisers running
off the land) with a lot of algal growth.

It was found that the smaller, pond-sized, waterbodies accumulated
sediment, and therefore carbon, most rapidly but in all waterbodies
the rate at which carbon was taken up was surprisingly high, up to 500
times faster than lakes in more natural environments.

Scaling-up, the high rate of carbon uptake measured here, combined
with the large numbers of small waterbodies globally (more than 250
million worldwide), suggests that ponds could be burying as much
carbon as the world's oceans.

This research has very exciting implications. It may be that ponds
will be the modern equivalent of the swamps that formed coal in the
past. If the rate of carbon uptake in ponds in Europe is the same as
that found in the USA study, we may well have discovered an important
new natural way of trapping carbon.

We are currently doing some preliminary research to investigate the
rate of carbon uptake by ponds in the UK.




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Fine. But there are some small problems associated with that.
  • Not all ponds (especially not constructed farm ponds) will eventually turn into a mire. I would say that it is rather rare.The small pond depth and oxygenation status would rather turn them into a steady state, where respiration will equal assimilation. I.e.no net accumulation of carbon
  • It is a rather well-known fact in ecology that when a more mature ecosystem (in this case: the pond) is bordering to a more immature ecosystem (the farmland), there is always a flow of nutrients over the border towards the mature system. These are in this case collected in the pond and drives the high photosynthesis rate. But, if the relationship is the reverse, as in a small lake in a forest, where the forest is the more mature system, then the flow is reversed and you get an oligotrophic lake, with low photosynthetic rate. So, the results can not be extrapolated to ponds/small lakes in general.
  • But, as wetlands, or pond shores, are among the most productive ecosystems in the world, why one should look at the if one is interested in carbon catching. But I would rather recommend focussing on the shore vegetation for both nutrient and carbon catching (By charring the relatively dry pond shore vegetation instead of the bottom sludge of the pond). Constructing ponds like the wetpark system would do that.
FG


2008/6/27 Benjamin Domingo Bof <benjaminbof@...>:


Ponds and carbon

New research from the USA suggests that ponds can trap as much carbon
as the ocean.

The work led by Professor John Downing from Iowa State University,
estimated how fast sediment accumulated in constructed farm ponds and
reservoirs (impoundments) to see how much carbon they trapped.

The ponds and reservoirs were all in intensively farmed agricultural
areas so were usually very nutrient-rich (due to fertilisers running
off the land) with a lot of algal growth.

It was found that the smaller, pond-sized, waterbodies accumulated
sediment, and therefore carbon, most rapidly but in all waterbodies
the rate at which carbon was taken up was surprisingly high, up to 500
times faster than lakes in more natural environments.

Scaling-up, the high rate of carbon uptake measured here, combined
with the large numbers of small waterbodies globally (more than 250
million worldwide), suggests that ponds could be burying as much
carbon as the world's oceans.

This research has very exciting implications. It may be that ponds
will be the modern equivalent of the swamps that formed coal in the
past. If the rate of carbon uptake in ponds in Europe is the same as
that found in the USA study, we may well have discovered an important
new natural way of trapping carbon.

We are currently doing some preliminary research to investigate the
rate of carbon uptake by ponds in the UK.




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Thanks Greg.

 

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Doesn't this belong over in the climate list?

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Subject: [biochar] PONDS AND CARBON

Ponds and carbon

New research from the USA suggests that ponds can trap as much carbon
as the ocean.

The work led by Professor John Downing from Iowa State University,
estimated how fast sediment accumulated in constructed farm ponds and
reservoirs (impoundments) to see how much carbon they trapped.

The ponds and reservoirs were all in intensively farmed agricultural
areas so were usually very nutrient-rich (due to fertilisers running
off the land) with a lot of algal growth.

It was found that the smaller, pond-sized, waterbodies accumulated
sediment, and therefore carbon, most rapidly but in all waterbodies
the rate at which carbon was taken up was surprisingly high, up to 500
times faster than lakes in more natural environments.

Scaling-up, the high rate of carbon uptake measured here, combined
with the large numbers of small waterbodies globally (more than 250
million worldwide), suggests that ponds could be burying as much
carbon as the worldâ?Ts oceans.

This research has very exciting implications. It may be that ponds
will be the modern equivalent of the swamps that formed coal in the
past. If the rate of carbon uptake in ponds in Europe is the same as
that found in the USA study, we may well have discovered an important
new natural way of trapping carbon.

We are currently doing some preliminary research to investigate the
rate of carbon uptake by ponds in the UK.


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Doesn't this belong over in the climate list?

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From: "Benjamin Domingo Bof" <benjaminbof@...>
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Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 8:34
Subject: [biochar] PONDS AND CARBON



Ponds and carbon

New research from the USA suggests that ponds can trap as much carbon
as the ocean.

The work led by Professor John Downing from Iowa State University,
estimated how fast sediment accumulated in constructed farm ponds and
reservoirs (impoundments) to see how much carbon they trapped.

The ponds and reservoirs were all in intensively farmed agricultural
areas so were usually very nutrient-rich (due to fertilisers running
off the land) with a lot of algal growth.

It was found that the smaller, pond-sized, waterbodies accumulated
sediment, and therefore carbon, most rapidly but in all waterbodies
the rate at which carbon was taken up was surprisingly high, up to 500
times faster than lakes in more natural environments.

Scaling-up, the high rate of carbon uptake measured here, combined
with the large numbers of small waterbodies globally (more than 250
million worldwide), suggests that ponds could be burying as much
carbon as the worldâ?Ts oceans.

This research has very exciting implications. It may be that ponds
will be the modern equivalent of the swamps that formed coal in the
past. If the rate of carbon uptake in ponds in Europe is the same as
that found in the USA study, we may well have discovered an important
new natural way of trapping carbon.

We are currently doing some preliminary research to investigate the
rate of carbon uptake by ponds in the UK.

#3 From: "Benjamin Domingo Bof" <benjaminbof@...>
Date: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:34 pm
Subject: PONDS AND CARBON
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Ponds and carbon

New research from the USA suggests that ponds can trap as much carbon
as the ocean.

The work led by Professor John Downing from Iowa State University,
estimated how fast sediment accumulated in constructed farm ponds and
reservoirs (impoundments) to see how much carbon they trapped.

The ponds and reservoirs were all in intensively farmed agricultural
areas so were usually very nutrient-rich (due to fertilisers running
off the land) with a lot of algal growth.

It was found that the smaller, pond-sized, waterbodies accumulated
sediment, and therefore carbon, most rapidly but in all waterbodies
the rate at which carbon was taken up was surprisingly high, up to 500
times faster than lakes in more natural environments.

Scaling-up, the high rate of carbon uptake measured here, combined
with the large numbers of small waterbodies globally (more than 250
million worldwide), suggests that ponds could be burying as much
carbon as the world’s oceans.

This research has very exciting implications. It may be that ponds
will be the modern equivalent of the swamps that formed coal in the
past. If the rate of carbon uptake in ponds in Europe is the same as
that found in the USA study, we may well have discovered an important
new natural way of trapping carbon.

We are currently doing some preliminary research to investigate the
rate of carbon uptake by ponds in the UK.

#2 From: "Max Turunen" <tmiles@...>
Date: Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:30 am
Subject: What is TP?
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#1 From: "Tom Miles" <tmiles@...>
Date: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:08 pm
Subject: Welcome to the new Biochar@yahoogroups.com List
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Hi,

We've created two lists for Biochar in Yahoo Groups to replace the
TerraPreta@... list:

Biochar@yahoogroups.com:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/biochar/
Intended focus: a practical discussion of using biochar as an
agricultural amendment. This is intended to be a technical discussion
on making biochar and using it to improve soil quality.

Biochar and Climate Change:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biochar-climatechange
Intended focus: using terrapreta to address climate change and global
warming.

We will keep the current (terrapreta@...)list for now.
1. We will subscribe all current subscribers to
biochar@yahoogroups.com This will take about 3 days.
2. We will invite all current subscribers to join
biochar_climatechange@yahoogroups.com This will take about 3 days.

These lists will allow you to upload files and photos. We will
periodically organize and transfer the files to
http://terrapreta.bioenergylists.org because there is a 100 MB file
limit on Yahoo.

Thanks,
Erin Rasmussen
erin@...

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