Jean,

How much; quantity and price........ and exact address/location.

Please e-mail me at:

martyg61107@...      

or call me at the # below.....
 
Thank you,
Marty Goldberg
 
Magic 4 Maintenance
807 Parkview Ave
Rockford, IL   61107
Cell- 815-519-1491




________________________________
From: Jean Wilson <jeanofarc@...>
To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 23, 2009 5:29:39 PM
Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] WVO for sale in NY

 
Marty,I have some for sale in S/E MI if you are interested in finding a closer
source, respond here or call me 313-377-4203Jean

--- On Mon, 11/23/09, martin goldberg <martyg61107@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: martin goldberg <martyg61107@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] WVO for sale in NY
To: biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 3:36 PM

 

Yes, I can purchase immediately. .....call me!

 

Thank you,

Marty Goldberg

 

Magic 4 Maintenance

807 Parkview Ave

Rockford, IL   61107

Cell- 815-519-1491

____________ _________ _________ __

From: "wldchldx3@yahoo. com" <wldchldx3@yahoo. com>

To: biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Mon, November 23, 2009 2:24:39 PM

Subject: [biodieselbasics] WVO for sale in NY

 

I have a steady source of low titrating WVO looking to sell some excess. Any one
intrested I'm in NY.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Marty,I have some for sale in S/E MI if you are interested in finding a closer
source, respond here or call me 313-377-4203Jean

--- On Mon, 11/23/09, martin goldberg <martyg61107@...> wrote:

From: martin goldberg <martyg61107@...>
Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] WVO for sale in NY
To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 3:36 PM
















 









       Yes, I can purchase immediately. .....call me!

 

Thank you,

Marty Goldberg

 

Magic 4 Maintenance

807 Parkview Ave

Rockford, IL   61107

Cell- 815-519-1491



____________ _________ _________ __

From: "wldchldx3@yahoo. com" <wldchldx3@yahoo. com>

To: biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Mon, November 23, 2009 2:24:39 PM

Subject: [biodieselbasics] WVO for sale in NY



 

I have a steady source of low titrating WVO looking to sell some excess. Any one
intrested I'm in NY.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



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Yes, I can purchase immediately......call me!
 
Thank you,
Marty Goldberg
 
Magic 4 Maintenance
807 Parkview Ave
Rockford, IL   61107
Cell- 815-519-1491




________________________________
From: "wldchldx3@..." <wldchldx3@...>
To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 23, 2009 2:24:39 PM
Subject: [biodieselbasics] WVO for sale in NY

 
I have a steady source of low titrating WVO looking to sell some excess. Any one
intrested I'm in NY.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry







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I have a steady source of low titrating WVO looking to sell some excess. Any one
intrested I'm in NY.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Again, please do not use the term "meth" when discussing methanol in the
production of biodiesel.  That term is inextricably linked to the drug trade,
and will no doubt cause your messages to come to the attention of authorities.

Thanks,
Moderator Bear
--- In biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <harveyking2002@...> wrote:
>
> It will not "hurt" the pump other than the seal, maybe. I actually use one to
pump my "meth". What I do is I use an open top container.
> 12 gal capacity on my 40 gal batch (55 gal barrel) unit. and 50 gal capacity
on my 300 gal unit. The pump needs to have a flooded suction.
> That means that it is below the bottom of the meth tank. One precaution,
beware of fumes which could ignite. I have the pump several feet away from the
tank in a very well vented area. These pumps are not self priming which is why
you want it below the tank.
> After pumping the meth into the reactor tank, I have a ball valve in the line
between the pump and tank, (so the oil won't gravity back)
> I add a few quarts of oil into the tank and pump into the processor
> tank. This way there is no meth setting in the pump. Works good for me. As far
as mixing, if you are using KOH it will dissolve self with in 30 minutes by
itself.
>
> Dick
>
> --- In biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com, "Jason J" <duecento@> wrote:
> >
> > Can one of the 1" chinese clear water pumps be used to mix and pump
methoxide? I Just acquired a couple of Ace Roto-Mold cone bottom tanks from a
lapsed home brewer. There is no heater so I am not quite sure what he was using
all of this for. The 2 CB tanks are 18 and 55 gallons and there are 2 of the
little clear water pumps and a couple of timers.
> >
> > I would like to used the small one for mixing methoxide and am wondering if
I could use the pump to circulate the methanol to dissolve the KOH and then
introduce it into the Apple Cone processor that I am building. Or will the MO
just eat the pump?
> > TIA
> > Jason
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

It will not "hurt" the pump other than the seal, maybe. I actually use one to
pump my "meth". What I do is I use an open top container.
12 gal capacity on my 40 gal batch (55 gal barrel) unit. and 50 gal capacity on
my 300 gal unit. The pump needs to have a flooded suction.
That means that it is below the bottom of the meth tank. One precaution, beware
of fumes which could ignite. I have the pump several feet away from the tank in
a very well vented area. These pumps are not self priming which is why you want
it below the tank.
After pumping the meth into the reactor tank, I have a ball valve in the line
between the pump and tank, (so the oil won't gravity back)
I add a few quarts of oil into the tank and pump into the processor
tank. This way there is no meth setting in the pump. Works good for me. As far
as mixing, if you are using KOH it will dissolve self with in 30 minutes by
itself.

Dick

--- In biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com, "Jason J" <duecento@...> wrote:
>
> Can one of the 1" chinese clear water pumps be used to mix and pump methoxide?
I Just acquired a couple of Ace Roto-Mold cone bottom tanks from a lapsed home
brewer. There is no heater so I am not quite sure what he was using all of this
for. The 2 CB tanks are 18 and 55 gallons and there are 2 of the little clear
water pumps and a couple of timers.
>
> I would like to used the small one for mixing methoxide and am wondering if I
could use the pump to circulate the methanol to dissolve the KOH and then
introduce it into the Apple Cone processor that I am building. Or will the MO
just eat the pump?
> TIA
> Jason
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Can one of the 1" chinese clear water pumps be used to mix and pump methoxide? I
Just acquired a couple of Ace Roto-Mold cone bottom tanks from a lapsed home
brewer. There is no heater so I am not quite sure what he was using all of this
for. The 2 CB tanks are 18 and 55 gallons and there are 2 of the little clear
water pumps and a couple of timers.

I would like to used the small one for mixing methoxide and am wondering if I
could use the pump to circulate the methanol to dissolve the KOH and then
introduce it into the Apple Cone processor that I am building. Or will the MO
just eat the pump?
TIA
Jason

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Indy cars burn methanol, and NASCAR will likely NEVER use any fuel but the
"special" form of gas they now use.

Dick




--- In biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com, William McDonald <fredbrilla@...> wrote:
>
> Indy cars have used ethanol for several years now.  NASCAR is likely
discussing the use of ethanol as they can tune their cars to use which ever fuel
they like.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jason J <duecento@...>
> To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, November 14, 2009 9:40:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??
>
>
> NASCAR doesn't use ethanol or methanol in the cars. So called "Indy" cars do
> use methanol.
> .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "AJ Romano" <romanarcher53@ yahoo.com>
> To: <biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 7:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??
>
> I have been using a 50/50 mix of wvo and diesel for 5 years. Haven't heard a
> peep from the 'Uncle'. I imagine they won't find out about the alcohol .
> Like the moderator said, there is a 1500 gallon per year per person personal
> use exemption. 3 people equals 4500 gallons. I'm not racing NASCAR so I'll
> never need that much. Again, it's all for fun, at least for now. But when
> the shit hits the fan at least I know I can make some go go juice when I
> need it. Keep it small and simple.
>
> Regards,
>
> Art
>
> The purpose of leadership is to develop more leaders, not more followers.
> Ralph Nader
>
> --- On Sat, 11/14/09, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor@gmail. com> wrote:
>
> From: o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor@gmail. com>
> Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??
> To: biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 3:17 PM
>
> On 11/14/09, Michael <skylane@pacbell. net> wrote:
>
> > That sounds like an awful lot of potato peels!!
>
> > Might be better off selling the (or drinking) the alcohol and buying
>
> > gasoline and be money ahead?
>
> You might have a number of goberment (sic) officials very very interested in
>
> what you are doing at that point - yes?
>
> D
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> To learn more about Biodiesel and how it's made, go to:
> http://www.biodiese lcommunity. orgYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Oops, I correct myself. Indy cars are using a blend of methanol and ethanol.

Dick

--- In biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com, William McDonald <fredbrilla@...> wrote:
>
> Indy cars have used ethanol for several years now.  NASCAR is likely
discussing the use of ethanol as they can tune their cars to use which ever fuel
they like.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jason J <duecento@...>
> To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, November 14, 2009 9:40:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??
>
>
> NASCAR doesn't use ethanol or methanol in the cars. So called "Indy" cars do
> use methanol.
> .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "AJ Romano" <romanarcher53@ yahoo.com>
> To: <biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 7:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??
>
> I have been using a 50/50 mix of wvo and diesel for 5 years. Haven't heard a
> peep from the 'Uncle'. I imagine they won't find out about the alcohol .
> Like the moderator said, there is a 1500 gallon per year per person personal
> use exemption. 3 people equals 4500 gallons. I'm not racing NASCAR so I'll
> never need that much. Again, it's all for fun, at least for now. But when
> the shit hits the fan at least I know I can make some go go juice when I
> need it. Keep it small and simple.
>
> Regards,
>
> Art
>
> The purpose of leadership is to develop more leaders, not more followers.
> Ralph Nader
>
> --- On Sat, 11/14/09, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor@gmail. com> wrote:
>
> From: o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor@gmail. com>
> Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??
> To: biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 3:17 PM
>
> On 11/14/09, Michael <skylane@pacbell. net> wrote:
>
> > That sounds like an awful lot of potato peels!!
>
> > Might be better off selling the (or drinking) the alcohol and buying
>
> > gasoline and be money ahead?
>
> You might have a number of goberment (sic) officials very very interested in
>
> what you are doing at that point - yes?
>
> D
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> To learn more about Biodiesel and how it's made, go to:
> http://www.biodiese lcommunity. orgYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

right on!

The purpose of leadership is to develop more leaders, not more followers.
Ralph Nader


--- On Sun, 11/15/09, Jason J <duecento@...> wrote:

From: Jason J <duecento@...>
Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??
To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 3:45 PM







 











----- Original Message -----

From: "William McDonald" <fredbrilla@yahoo. com>

Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??



> Indy cars have used ethanol for several years now.  NASCAR is likely

> discussing the use of ethanol as they can tune > their cars to use which

> ever fuel they like.



Its not quite that simple. Compression must be much higher with ethanol

(14:1) and huge amounts of ethanol must be delivered, so fueling, head,

camshaft, design are all very different. Ethanol also has fewer BTUs per

gallon than methanol and vastly less than gasoline.






















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----- Original Message -----
From: "William McDonald" <fredbrilla@...>
Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??


> Indy cars have used ethanol for several years now.  NASCAR is likely
> discussing the use of ethanol as they can tune > their cars to use which
> ever fuel they like.

Its not quite that simple. Compression must be much higher with ethanol
(14:1) and huge amounts of ethanol must be delivered, so fueling, head,
camshaft, design are all very different. Ethanol also has fewer BTUs per
gallon than methanol and vastly less than gasoline.

Indy cars have used ethanol for several years now.  NASCAR is likely discussing
the use of ethanol as they can tune their cars to use which ever fuel they like.




________________________________
From: Jason J <duecento@...>
To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 14, 2009 9:40:48 PM
Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??


NASCAR doesn't use ethanol or methanol in the cars. So called "Indy" cars do
use methanol.
.
----- Original Message -----
From: "AJ Romano" <romanarcher53@ yahoo.com>
To: <biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??

I have been using a 50/50 mix of wvo and diesel for 5 years. Haven't heard a
peep from the 'Uncle'. I imagine they won't find out about the alcohol .
Like the moderator said, there is a 1500 gallon per year per person personal
use exemption. 3 people equals 4500 gallons. I'm not racing NASCAR so I'll
never need that much. Again, it's all for fun, at least for now. But when
the shit hits the fan at least I know I can make some go go juice when I
need it. Keep it small and simple.

Regards,

Art

The purpose of leadership is to develop more leaders, not more followers.
Ralph Nader

--- On Sat, 11/14/09, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor@gmail. com> wrote:

From: o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor@gmail. com>
Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??
To: biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 3:17 PM

On 11/14/09, Michael <skylane@pacbell. net> wrote:

> That sounds like an awful lot of potato peels!!

> Might be better off selling the (or drinking) the alcohol and buying

> gasoline and be money ahead?

You might have a number of goberment (sic) officials very very interested in

what you are doing at that point - yes?

D

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To learn more about Biodiesel and how it's made, go to:
http://www.biodiese lcommunity. orgYahoo! Groups Links







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While the VW TDI engines built up through 2008 are known to be reliable with
BioDiesel, it appears that the 09 and 10 engines are not tolerant of Bio.  VW
only warrants them for use with 5% blend.

Has anyone figured out a way around this that won't clog up the emissions system
and trigger faults in the car's computer system?  Some sort of additive to help
it vaporize better?  Etc?

I know that some states are moving toward mandating B10 and perhaps beyond B10. 
VW, presumably would have to warrant their vehicles in THOSE STATES for
something greater than B5 blends.

But I'd like to run 100% homebrewed biodiesel in my new Jetta TDI at some point.

Thoughts?  Solutions?  Hairbrained & crackpot ideas?

NASCAR doesn't use ethanol or methanol in the cars. So called "Indy" cars do
use methanol.
.
----- Original Message -----
From: "AJ Romano" <romanarcher53@...>
To: <biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??


I have been using a 50/50 mix of wvo and diesel for 5 years. Haven't heard a
peep from the 'Uncle'. I imagine they won't find out about the alcohol .
Like the moderator said, there is a 1500 gallon per year per person personal
use exemption. 3 people equals 4500 gallons. I'm not racing NASCAR so I'll
never need that much. Again, it's all for fun, at least for now. But when
the shit hits the fan at least I know I can make some go go juice when I
need it. Keep it small and simple.

Regards,

Art

The purpose of leadership is to develop more leaders, not more followers.
Ralph Nader


--- On Sat, 11/14/09, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor@...> wrote:

From: o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor@...>
Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??
To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 3:17 PM

















       On 11/14/09, Michael <skylane@pacbell. net> wrote:



> That sounds like an awful lot of potato peels!!

> Might be better off selling the (or drinking) the alcohol and buying

> gasoline and be money ahead?



You might have a number of goberment (sic) officials very very interested in

what you are doing at that point - yes?



D



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------------------------------------

To learn more about Biodiesel and how it's made, go to:
http://www.biodieselcommunity.orgYahoo! Groups Links

I have been using a 50/50 mix of wvo and diesel for 5 years. Haven't heard a
peep from the 'Uncle'. I imagine they won't find out about the alcohol . Like
the moderator said, there is a 1500 gallon per year per person personal use
exemption. 3 people equals 4500 gallons. I'm not racing NASCAR so I'll never
need that much. Again, it's all for fun, at least for now. But when the shit
hits the fan at least I know I can make some go go juice when I need it. Keep it
small and simple.

Regards,

Art

The purpose of leadership is to develop more leaders, not more followers.
Ralph Nader


--- On Sat, 11/14/09, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor@...> wrote:

From: o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor@...>
Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??
To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 3:17 PM







 









       On 11/14/09, Michael <skylane@pacbell. net> wrote:



> That sounds like an awful lot of potato peels!!

> Might be better off selling the (or drinking) the alcohol and buying

> gasoline and be money ahead?



You might have a number of goberment (sic) officials very very interested in

what you are doing at that point - yes?



D



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[MODERATOR NOTE: In the US, distilling spirits requires a license.]

Go to the grain elevator then and buy ground corn instead.  Make a 20 - 30%
solids mash with water and heat to near boiling to sterilize and dissolve the
starch.  You could also pre-heat the water and add to the grain.  The enzymes in
the germ will process the starch to sugar.  Add redstar yeast and a couple of
days later you 15 to 20% ethanol "beer" ready for distillation.

You can process potatoes and potato skins the same way, but you will have to
find a way to add enzymes (or buy from a brewers supply) to convert the starch
to sugar followed by yeast addition to make alcohol.

If you do the distillation correctly, you will have about 190 proof (95%) that
can be used as is as a fuel.  It is better to remove that last little bit of
water, though, to make the ethanol or alcohol less corrosive to metal parts.

Finally, remember that our uncle (sam) requires certain permits to allow you to
make alcohol for automotive fuel.  However, as I recall, there is a 1500 gallon
exemption for "personal use".

Biodiesel is simpler as it does not require knowing anything about the biology
of a yeast organism to make the final product.




________________________________
From: Michael <skylane@...>
To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 14, 2009 10:33:38 AM
Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??


That sounds like an awful lot of potato peels!!
Might be better off selling the (or drinking) the alcohol and buying gasoline
and be money ahead?

____________ _________ _________ __
From: AJ Romano <romanarcher53@ yahoo.com>
To: biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Fri, November 13, 2009 7:39:04 PM
Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??

Tom,
There are some great books out on the subject. Instead of taking oil from
restaurants, take their potato peels instead. You distill just like making 180
to 200 proof vodka. My dad and I used to use 'white lightning' in a 50/50 mix
with gasoline. Throw in a couple of ounces of marvel mystery oil and what a
punch you get. We could clean parts, start bbq fires and make martinis too. The
marvel adds the lube for the upper end of the combustion chamber.
Again, just like our diesel fuel mix, try out different ratios. Not sure about
computerized stuff. Be careful. Do your homework. Have fun. There are tons of
plans for stills. Small 3 to 5 gallon ones. Salvage yards are your best friends.

Regards,

Art

The purpose of leadership is to develop more leaders, not more followers.
Ralph Nader

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, sandtaz <sandtaz@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: sandtaz <sandtaz@yahoo. com>
Subject: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??
To: biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 6:29 PM

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On 11/14/09, Michael <skylane@...> wrote:

> That sounds like an awful lot of potato peels!!
> Might be better off selling the (or drinking) the alcohol and buying
> gasoline and be money ahead?


You might have a number of goberment (sic) officials very very interested in
what you are doing at that point - yes?

D


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Most restaurants peel about 75 to 100 pounds of potatoes a week, store em in a
55 gallon drum and distill from there. A large covered wash basin or stainless
water trough, round of course Go here: http://www.permaculture.com/, check it
out. I don't want to give oil companies one extra penny. Plus you get a hell of
a kick and save half the price of a gallon of gas. Yes you can drink it too.
Yahoo!!

Regards,

Art

The purpose of leadership is to develop more leaders, not more followers.
Ralphhttp://www.permaculture.com/ Nader


--- On Sat, 11/14/09, Michael <skylane@...> wrote:

From: Michael <skylane@...>
Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??
To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 11:33 AM







 









       That sounds like an awful lot of potato peels!!

Might be better off selling the (or drinking) the alcohol and buying gasoline
and be money ahead?



____________ _________ _________ __

From: AJ Romano <romanarcher53@ yahoo.com>

To: biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Fri, November 13, 2009 7:39:04 PM

Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??



Tom,

There are some great books out on the subject. Instead of taking oil from
restaurants, take their potato peels instead. You distill just like making 180
to 200 proof vodka. My dad and I used to use 'white lightning' in a 50/50 mix
with gasoline. Throw in a couple of ounces of marvel mystery oil and what a
punch you get. We could clean parts, start bbq fires and make martinis too. The
marvel adds the lube for the upper end of the combustion chamber.

Again, just like our diesel fuel mix, try out different ratios. Not sure about
computerized stuff. Be careful. Do your homework. Have fun. There are tons of
plans for stills. Small 3 to 5 gallon ones. Salvage yards are your best friends.



Regards,



Art



The purpose of leadership is to develop more leaders, not more followers.

Ralph Nader



--- On Fri, 11/13/09, sandtaz <sandtaz@yahoo. com> wrote:



From: sandtaz <sandtaz@yahoo. com>

Subject: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??

To: biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com

Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 6:29 PM



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

That sounds like an awful lot of potato peels!!
Might be better off selling the (or drinking) the alcohol and buying gasoline
and be money ahead?




________________________________
From: AJ Romano <romanarcher53@...>
To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 13, 2009 7:39:04 PM
Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??


Tom,
There are some great books out on the subject. Instead of taking oil from
restaurants, take their potato peels instead. You distill just like making 180
to 200 proof vodka. My dad and I used to use 'white lightning' in a 50/50 mix
with gasoline. Throw in a couple of ounces of marvel mystery oil and what a
punch you get. We could clean parts, start bbq fires and make martinis too. The
marvel adds the lube for the upper end of the combustion chamber.
Again, just like our diesel fuel mix, try out different ratios. Not sure about
computerized stuff. Be careful. Do your homework. Have fun. There are tons of
plans for stills. Small 3 to 5 gallon ones. Salvage yards are your best friends.

Regards,

Art

The purpose of leadership is to develop more leaders, not more followers.
Ralph Nader

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, sandtaz <sandtaz@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: sandtaz <sandtaz@yahoo. com>
Subject: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??
To: biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 6:29 PM



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Tom,
There are some great books out on the subject. Instead of taking oil from
restaurants, take their potato peels instead. You distill just like making 180
to 200 proof vodka. My dad and I used to use 'white lightning' in a 50/50 mix
with gasoline. Throw in a couple of ounces of marvel mystery oil and what a
punch you get. We could clean parts, start bbq fires and make martinis too. The
marvel adds the lube for the upper end of the combustion chamber.
Again, just like our diesel fuel mix, try out different ratios. Not sure about
computerized stuff. Be careful. Do your homework. Have fun. There are tons of
plans for stills. Small 3 to 5 gallon ones. Salvage yards are your best friends.

Regards,

Art

The purpose of leadership is to develop more leaders, not more followers.
Ralph Nader


--- On Fri, 11/13/09, sandtaz <sandtaz@...> wrote:

From: sandtaz <sandtaz@...>
Subject: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??
To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 6:29 PM







 









       Those of us who make our own diesel fuel, might be interested in you
making your own alcohol. Thanks Tom.



--- In biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com, AJ Romano <romanarcher53@ ...> wrote:

>

> Please, stop what you are doing and step away from the diesel engine with any
kind of gasoline. Use an anti gelling agent or heat the fuel. Plain and simple.
In days of old, they kept diesels running overnight in the cold. Or simple move
to a warmer climate. My family has owned service stations for years. I have made
my own mix and have given out the recipe for free. Sometimes it is what it is.
There may be no work a rounds. I am now making my own alcohol fuels for gas
engines because I bought a street rod.

> In winter, you may have to resort to using diesel from the pump. God bless us
one and all.

>

> Regards,

>

> Art

>

> The purpose of leadership is to develop more leaders, not more followers.

> Ralph Nader

>

>

> --- On Thu, 11/12/09, kent clark <kentclarkoooo6@ ...> wrote:

>

> From: kent clark <kentclarkoooo6@ ...>

> Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??

> To: biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com

> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 2:30 PM

>

>

>

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>       Volkswagon recommends it in some of the owners manuals of the 70s

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> --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Nate Corona <coronan@gmail. com> wrote:

>

>

>

> From: Nate Corona <coronan@gmail. com>

>

> Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??

>

> To: biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com

>

> Received: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 9:12 AM

>

>

>

> I'd hate to think about what Gasoline would do to an Injection Pump with

>

> reduced lubricity.

>

>

>

> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 7:18 PM, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor@ gmail. com> wrote:

>

>

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > On 11/8/09, MG <AFN47583@basicisp. net <AFN47583%40basicis p.net>> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > > I have heard of adding gas to reduce gelling before. Supposed to

>

> > > work though I have never tried it. The problem I have with it is

>

> > > that gas is measured by octane which is the resistance to

>

> > > detonation or compression firing. Diesel on the other hand is

>

> > > measured by cetane which is the exact opposite.

>

> > >

>

> > > If gasoline is added to diesel it lowers the cetane. The more

>

> > > that is added the more knocking due to detonation you get. So the

>

> > > addition of gas will lower the cetane, not raise it. Try filling

>

> > > your diesel vehicle with gas when the tank is totally empty and

>

> > > it will not run. If you add gas when it is not empty and are

>

> > > unlucky enough the combination of enough gas in the diesel that

>

> > > is left in the tank may cause a lot of expensive damage to the

>

> > > engine due to that detonation of the unburned fuel at the wrong

>

> > > time in the cycle, before it finally quits.

>

> > >

>

> > > Use kerosine to lower the cloud point it is what is recommended

>

> > > by diesel engine manufacturers. As far as I know none of them

>

> > > recommend adding gas.

>

> >

>

> > Both Volkswagen and Daimler (better known here as Mercedes) advocate said

>

> > practice.

>

> >

>

> > I believe that it is based upon a cold of perhaps -20 C not really for -40

>

> > C

>

> > or even better -50 C.

>

> > Using high levels of gasoline in a compression engine is asking for

>

> > problems

>

> > - IMHO!!

>

> >

>

> > Darald

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Those of us who make our own diesel fuel, might be interested in you making your
own alcohol. Thanks Tom.

--- In biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com, AJ Romano <romanarcher53@...> wrote:
>
> Please, stop what you are doing and step away from the diesel engine with any
kind of gasoline. Use an anti gelling agent or heat the fuel. Plain and simple.
In days of old, they kept diesels running overnight in the cold. Or simple move
to a warmer climate. My family has owned service stations for years. I have made
my own mix and have given out the recipe for free. Sometimes it is what it is.
There may be no work a rounds. I am now making my own alcohol fuels for gas
engines because I bought a street rod.
> In winter, you may have to resort to using diesel from the pump. God bless us
one and all.
>
> Regards,
>
> Art
>
> The purpose of leadership is to develop more leaders, not more followers.
> Ralph Nader
>
>
> --- On Thu, 11/12/09, kent clark <kentclarkoooo6@...> wrote:
>
> From: kent clark <kentclarkoooo6@...>
> Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??
> To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 2:30 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>       Volkswagon recommends it in some of the owners manuals of the 70s
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Nate Corona <coronan@gmail. com> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: Nate Corona <coronan@gmail. com>
>
> Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??
>
> To: biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com
>
> Received: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 9:12 AM
>
>
>
> I'd hate to think about what Gasoline would do to an Injection Pump with
>
> reduced lubricity.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 7:18 PM, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor@gmail. com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > On 11/8/09, MG <AFN47583@basicisp. net <AFN47583%40basicis p.net>> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > I have heard of adding gas to reduce gelling before. Supposed to
>
> > > work though I have never tried it. The problem I have with it is
>
> > > that gas is measured by octane which is the resistance to
>
> > > detonation or compression firing. Diesel on the other hand is
>
> > > measured by cetane which is the exact opposite.
>
> > >
>
> > > If gasoline is added to diesel it lowers the cetane. The more
>
> > > that is added the more knocking due to detonation you get. So the
>
> > > addition of gas will lower the cetane, not raise it. Try filling
>
> > > your diesel vehicle with gas when the tank is totally empty and
>
> > > it will not run. If you add gas when it is not empty and are
>
> > > unlucky enough the combination of enough gas in the diesel that
>
> > > is left in the tank may cause a lot of expensive damage to the
>
> > > engine due to that detonation of the unburned fuel at the wrong
>
> > > time in the cycle, before it finally quits.
>
> > >
>
> > > Use kerosine to lower the cloud point it is what is recommended
>
> > > by diesel engine manufacturers. As far as I know none of them
>
> > > recommend adding gas.
>
> >
>
> > Both Volkswagen and Daimler (better known here as Mercedes) advocate said
>
> > practice.
>
> >
>
> > I believe that it is based upon a cold of perhaps -20 C not really for -40
>
> > C
>
> > or even better -50 C.
>
> > Using high levels of gasoline in a compression engine is asking for
>
> > problems
>
> > - IMHO!!
>
> >
>
> > Darald
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>
>
>
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Please, stop what you are doing and step away from the diesel engine with any
kind of gasoline. Use an anti gelling agent or heat the fuel. Plain and simple.
In days of old, they kept diesels running overnight in the cold. Or simple move
to a warmer climate. My family has owned service stations for years. I have made
my own mix and have given out the recipe for free. Sometimes it is what it is.
There may be no work a rounds. I am now making my own alcohol fuels for gas
engines because I bought a street rod.
In winter, you may have to resort to using diesel from the pump. God bless us
one and all.

Regards,

Art

The purpose of leadership is to develop more leaders, not more followers.
Ralph Nader


--- On Thu, 11/12/09, kent clark <kentclarkoooo6@...> wrote:

From: kent clark <kentclarkoooo6@...>
Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??
To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 2:30 PM







 









       Volkswagon recommends it in some of the owners manuals of the 70s



--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Nate Corona <coronan@gmail. com> wrote:



From: Nate Corona <coronan@gmail. com>

Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??

To: biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com

Received: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 9:12 AM



I'd hate to think about what Gasoline would do to an Injection Pump with

reduced lubricity.



On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 7:18 PM, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor@gmail. com> wrote:



>

>

> On 11/8/09, MG <AFN47583@basicisp. net <AFN47583%40basicis p.net>> wrote:

>

> > I have heard of adding gas to reduce gelling before. Supposed to

> > work though I have never tried it. The problem I have with it is

> > that gas is measured by octane which is the resistance to

> > detonation or compression firing. Diesel on the other hand is

> > measured by cetane which is the exact opposite.

> >

> > If gasoline is added to diesel it lowers the cetane. The more

> > that is added the more knocking due to detonation you get. So the

> > addition of gas will lower the cetane, not raise it. Try filling

> > your diesel vehicle with gas when the tank is totally empty and

> > it will not run. If you add gas when it is not empty and are

> > unlucky enough the combination of enough gas in the diesel that

> > is left in the tank may cause a lot of expensive damage to the

> > engine due to that detonation of the unburned fuel at the wrong

> > time in the cycle, before it finally quits.

> >

> > Use kerosine to lower the cloud point it is what is recommended

> > by diesel engine manufacturers. As far as I know none of them

> > recommend adding gas.

>

> Both Volkswagen and Daimler (better known here as Mercedes) advocate said

> practice.

>

> I believe that it is based upon a cold of perhaps -20 C not really for -40

> C

> or even better -50 C.

> Using high levels of gasoline in a compression engine is asking for

> problems

> - IMHO!!

>

> Darald

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>



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Volkswagon recommends it in some of the owners manuals of the 70s

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Nate Corona <coronan@...> wrote:


From: Nate Corona <coronan@...>
Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: Chicago winter gell cure??
To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
Received: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 9:12 AM


I'd hate to think about what Gasoline would do to an Injection Pump with
reduced lubricity.



On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 7:18 PM, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor@...> wrote:

>
>
> On 11/8/09, MG <AFN47583@... <AFN47583%40basicisp.net>> wrote:
>
> > I have heard of adding gas to reduce gelling before. Supposed to
> > work though I have never tried it. The problem I have with it is
> > that gas is measured by octane which is the resistance to
> > detonation or compression firing. Diesel on the other hand is
> > measured by cetane which is the exact opposite.
> >
> > If gasoline is added to diesel it lowers the cetane. The more
> > that is added the more knocking due to detonation you get. So the
> > addition of gas will lower the cetane, not raise it. Try filling
> > your diesel vehicle with gas when the tank is totally empty and
> > it will not run. If you add gas when it is not empty and are
> > unlucky enough the combination of enough gas in the diesel that
> > is left in the tank may cause a lot of expensive damage to the
> > engine due to that detonation of the unburned fuel at the wrong
> > time in the cycle, before it finally quits.
> >
> > Use kerosine to lower the cloud point it is what is recommended
> > by diesel engine manufacturers. As far as I know none of them
> > recommend adding gas.
>
> Both Volkswagen and Daimler (better known here as Mercedes) advocate said
> practice.
>
> I believe that it is based upon a cold of perhaps -20 C not really for -40
> C
> or even better -50 C.
> Using high levels of gasoline in a compression engine is asking for
> problems
> - IMHO!!
>
> Darald
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 
>


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I'd hate to think about what Gasoline would do to an Injection Pump with
reduced lubricity.



On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 7:18 PM, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor@...> wrote:

>
>
> On 11/8/09, MG <AFN47583@... <AFN47583%40basicisp.net>> wrote:
>
> > I have heard of adding gas to reduce gelling before. Supposed to
> > work though I have never tried it. The problem I have with it is
> > that gas is measured by octane which is the resistance to
> > detonation or compression firing. Diesel on the other hand is
> > measured by cetane which is the exact opposite.
> >
> > If gasoline is added to diesel it lowers the cetane. The more
> > that is added the more knocking due to detonation you get. So the
> > addition of gas will lower the cetane, not raise it. Try filling
> > your diesel vehicle with gas when the tank is totally empty and
> > it will not run. If you add gas when it is not empty and are
> > unlucky enough the combination of enough gas in the diesel that
> > is left in the tank may cause a lot of expensive damage to the
> > engine due to that detonation of the unburned fuel at the wrong
> > time in the cycle, before it finally quits.
> >
> > Use kerosine to lower the cloud point it is what is recommended
> > by diesel engine manufacturers. As far as I know none of them
> > recommend adding gas.
>
> Both Volkswagen and Daimler (better known here as Mercedes) advocate said
> practice.
>
> I believe that it is based upon a cold of perhaps -20 C not really for -40
> C
> or even better -50 C.
> Using high levels of gasoline in a compression engine is asking for
> problems
> - IMHO!!
>
> Darald
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On 11/8/09, MG <AFN47583@...> wrote:

> I have heard of adding gas to reduce gelling before. Supposed to
> work though I have never tried it. The problem I have with it is
> that gas is measured by octane which is the resistance to
> detonation or compression firing. Diesel on the other hand is
> measured by cetane which is the exact opposite.
>
>   If gasoline is added to diesel it lowers the cetane. The more
> that is added the more knocking due to detonation you get. So the
> addition of gas will lower the cetane, not raise it. Try filling
> your diesel vehicle with gas when the tank is totally empty and
> it will not run. If you add gas when it is not empty and are
> unlucky enough the combination of enough gas in the diesel that
> is left in the tank may cause a lot of expensive damage to the
> engine due to that detonation of the unburned fuel at the wrong
> time in the cycle, before it finally quits.
>
> Use kerosine to lower the cloud point it is what is recommended
> by diesel engine manufacturers. As far as I know none of them
> recommend adding gas.


Both Volkswagen and Daimler (better known here as Mercedes) advocate said
practice.

I believe that it is based upon a cold of perhaps -20 C not really for -40 C
or even better -50 C.
Using high levels of gasoline in a compression engine is asking for problems
- IMHO!!

Darald


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Lan has been a leader, I always looked forward to his comments. 
Darryl

--- On Sat, 11/7/09, maudessen <maud@...> wrote:


From: maudessen <maud@...>
Subject: [biodieselbasics] Re: Lan Barnes
To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 8:52 PM


 



Thanks, all, for weighing in.

Does anyone else want to reply to this thread in order to be included in the
email to Lan's wife? I would like to assemble the email tomorrow night, so if
you'd like to be part of it please reply between now and then.

Lan was such a great friend to all of us, tremendously knowledgeable and
generous, and a real example of how to conduct oneself on these Internet lists.

Maud











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I have heard of adding gas to reduce gelling before. Supposed to
work though I have never tried it. The problem I have with it is
that gas is measured by octane which is the resistance to
detonation or compression firing. Diesel on the other hand is
measured by cetane which is the exact opposite.

   If gasoline is added to diesel it lowers the cetane. The more
that is added the more knocking due to detonation you get. So the
addition of gas will lower the cetane, not raise it. Try filling
your diesel vehicle with gas when the tank is totally empty and
it will not run. If you add gas when it is not empty and are
unlucky enough the combination of enough gas in the diesel that
is left in the tank may cause a lot of expensive damage to the
engine due to that detonation of the unburned fuel at the wrong
time in the cycle, before it finally quits.

Use kerosine to lower the cloud point it is what is recommended
by diesel engine manufacturers. As far as I know none of them
recommend adding gas.

Manfred

G K wrote:
> I am at a loss as to how adding gasoline would prevent it from gelling..True
that gasoline has a lower clouding point than diesel but to effectively stop it
from gelling? hmmm I have added gasoline approx 1 litre to increase the cetane 
but not as a gelling preventative. For the 2 worst months , being Jan and Feb I
just add kerosene. I mean what are we talking about 3 fill ups at most?
> George
>

Lan was an inspiration and great educator ,and will be sadly missed. Thank you
to his family for allowing him the time to share with us his insights and
knowledge. John T. Bailey
----- Original Message -----
From: "maudessen" <maud@...>
To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2009 9:52:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [biodieselbasics] Re: Lan Barnes






Thanks, all, for weighing in.

Does anyone else want to reply to this thread in order to be included in the
email to Lan's wife? I would like to assemble the email tomorrow night, so if
you'd like to be part of it please reply between now and then.

Lan was such a great friend to all of us, tremendously knowledgeable and
generous, and a real example of how to conduct oneself on these Internet lists.

Maud




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life direction has changed and need to sell/donate the equipment i have
collected. i have piping,fittings,pumps,heater,tanks,so-so veggie oil in drums &
some in a tote.

i am located in the southern california area, for serious inquires contact me at
jcjdmh_at_verizon_dot_net

Please include Lars A from Sweden !!

Lars A

> Thanks, all, for weighing in.
>
> Does anyone else want to reply to this thread in order to be included in
> the email to Lan's wife? I would like to assemble the email tomorrow
> night, so if you'd like to be part of it please reply between now and
> then.
>
> Lan was such a great friend to all of us, tremendously knowledgeable and
> generous, and a real example of how to conduct oneself on these Internet
> lists.
>
> Maud
>
>