What's better for biodiesel use newer or older VW
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Check it; but there are newer years that biodiesel does not work in VW's. I've
got 2001 and 2002 with greaecar conversions are they are great!  I still think
that 1986 and older mercedes are best though.

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, wldchldx3@... <wldchldx3@...> wrote:

From: wldchldx3@... <wldchldx3@...>
Subject: [biodieselbasics] What's better
To: "Biodiesel Basics" <biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 12:54 PM

What's better for biodiesel use newer or older VW

VW's built after 2007 1/2, will not use Bio in greater than 5%.
They are equipped with a DPF system that will cause build up of raw Bio in the
engine oil. While this can be disconnected on American trucks, there is no "kit"
available for the VW.

Dick

--- In biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com, wldchldx3@... wrote:
>
> What's better for biodiesel use newer or older VW
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>

How do they deal with this in Europe, where, as I understand, pretty much all of
the diesel at the pump has some percentage of biodiesel blended in? What is the
average blend of bio/diesel? I thought it was around B20. That would cause
problems with these VW's if so. One would think manufacturers would develop
engines for greater bio/diesel blends.
Bob, with an old '84 MB 300TD, well in excess of 370K miles in Lou. Ky.
and an Appleseed system in the garage.
PS. I've added 3 gal. pump diesel to my tank (18 gal. capacity) for my last two
fill-ups, plug in the block heater for at least two hours, and so far, doing
well in this cold spell.

--- In biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <harveyking2002@...> wrote:
>
> VW's built after 2007 1/2, will not use Bio in greater than 5%.
> They are equipped with a DPF system that will cause build up of raw Bio in the
engine oil. While this can be disconnected on American trucks, there is no "kit"
available for the VW.
>
> Dick
>
> --- In biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com, wldchldx3@ wrote:
> >
> > What's better for biodiesel use newer or older VW
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
>

Anybody familiar with an Isuzu Imark.  I saw a 1982 0n ebay.  Has a 1.8l 4
cylinder.  I have heard that they're truck engines are bulleet proof

I owned a 99 VW New Beetle TDI and really liked it on B100 for 154K miles no
problem.  The years 98-01 had Garret turbos which are the best American made
Turbo on the planet way better than the Bosch units that replaced them.  I also
like the fact that the 98-01s had mechanically driven pumps which are much
easier to service if needed.  I didn't care much for the changes they made to
the newer platforms, as the MPGs actually headed downhill.  My old 99 got 50 mpg
day in and out and on the highway could hit 56mpg if driven at 65mph.  The TDI
was a huge improvement over the older diesels, in power and efficiency.

Steve

--- In biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <harveyking2002@...> wrote:
>
> VW's built after 2007 1/2, will not use Bio in greater than 5%.
> They are equipped with a DPF system that will cause build up of raw Bio in the
engine oil. While this can be disconnected on American trucks, there is no "kit"
available for the VW.
>
> Dick
>
> --- In biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com, wldchldx3@ wrote:
> >
> > What's better for biodiesel use newer or older VW
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
>

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VW says to not exceed 5% (B-5) Bio-Diesel. the problem is the DPF system which
injects extra fuel into the cylinder after firing. This is to burn up the soot
in a converter in the exhaust system.
Since Bio burns differentially from diesel, some gets into the engine oil. 100%
Bio will dilute the engine oil 50% in as little as 3000 miles. Check VWs phone
calls to see when the big oil companies call.
Only about 2% of diesel fuel needs can be made from available veggy stocks, in
the US and probably world wide. The big market is "blending". This is big Bio
makers market. Who are the blenders?
Big oil. If they blend 5% they get the full tax credit. If they blend higher,
same tax credit. So, is B-5 a surprise? They can only use B-5 in Europe in the
newer VWs, if they don't want void their guarantee.

Dick

--- In biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com, "bobbush220s" <bobbush220s@...> wrote:
>
> How do they deal with this in Europe, where, as I understand, pretty much all
of the diesel at the pump has some percentage of biodiesel blended in? What is
the average blend of bio/diesel? I thought it was around B20. That would cause
problems with these VW's if so. One would think manufacturers would develop
engines for greater bio/diesel blends.
> Bob, with an old '84 MB 300TD, well in excess of 370K miles in Lou. Ky.
> and an Appleseed system in the garage.
> PS. I've added 3 gal. pump diesel to my tank (18 gal. capacity) for my last
two fill-ups, plug in the block heater for at least two hours, and so far, doing
well in this cold spell.
>
> --- In biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <harveyking2002@> wrote:
> >
> > VW's built after 2007 1/2, will not use Bio in greater than 5%.
> > They are equipped with a DPF system that will cause build up of raw Bio in
the engine oil. While this can be disconnected on American trucks, there is no
"kit" available for the VW.
> >
> > Dick
> >
> > --- In biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com, wldchldx3@ wrote:
> > >
> > > What's better for biodiesel use newer or older VW
> > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> > >
> >
>

Where does the information regarding the newer VW come from?  No one can
tell me definitively.

I have an '09 Jetta clean diesel, but I don't want to hurt that
expensive engine!

Hello Mark,
In Australia the Isuzu Imark is called a Holden Gemini.  It is a fantastic car
for using Biodiesel.  Indeed, the 1.8 diesel is Bulletproof!!!!
I had mine for about 3 years before rust caught up to it and the Transport Dept
put it off the road.
In that time I put about 70,000 miles on it with no problem.
The diesel engine lives on in a motor boat.

First thing you do is Make sure to change the timeing belt!!!!  It is quite
straight forward and if you look hard you will find how to do it on the
internet.
No power stearing was a bit of a problem on my car.  Yours may be different.
Also no Air Conditioning here in the outback was a concern.

I will drop by this forum to see how things go and try to answer any questions
you may have.

PS being an old fellow, I finally bit the bullet and bought a brand new
Ssangyong Musso Dual cab ute.  It has the  Mercedes 5 cylinder IDI Diesel with
the Bosch inline injector pump that that runs on anything liquid.

Tilly


--- In biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com, "MarkD" <mdenegre@...> wrote:
>
> Anybody familiar with an Isuzu Imark.  I saw a 1982 0n ebay.  Has a 1.8l 4
cylinder.  I have heard that they're truck engines are bulleet proof
>

Ask your dealer, he will tell you. I believe there is a service letter out on
it.

Dick

--- In biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com, Felix Kersting <fjkersting@...> wrote:
>
> Where does the information regarding the newer VW come from?  No one can
> tell me definitively.
>
> I have an '09 Jetta clean diesel, but I don't want to hurt that
> expensive engine!
>

I thought the problem was BioD plugging the Diesel Particulate Filter
because it burns slower.
Not that it diludes crank case oil.  Bio diludes cranks case  oil but i find
3000 mi an astonishing rate.   Does any one have links on this?

Why are newer cars more prone to crank case contamination than the old ones?

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:03 AM, Richard <harveyking2002@...> wrote:

>
>
> Ask your dealer, he will tell you. I believe there is a service letter out
> on it.
>
> Dick
>
>
> --- In biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com <biodieselbasics%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Felix Kersting <fjkersting@...> wrote:
> >
> > Where does the information regarding the newer VW come from? No one can
> > tell me definitively.
> >
> > I have an '09 Jetta clean diesel, but I don't want to hurt that
> > expensive engine!
> >
>
>
>


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well its 5:17 pm tuesday I made my first test batch it setling now
I made sure there was no water then let it cool to 135 mixed my methoxide pured
it in and put it in a blender four about five minutes put it in a clear 1 gallon
glass and gonna watch the excitement never thought watching cooking oil change
to biodiesel was so interesting      (I guess you could say I'm hooked)
for what it worth thanks richard for the help

The blender?
Please don't be doing that indoors.
The soda bottle (Famous Dr Pepper method) is ohhh sooo much safer and works
perfectly well.
I used a blender, one time, it leaked.  Thank goodness there was no reaction
between the motor and methanol vapors.  I could smell the methanol and know that
is a bad thing.
Yes, the excitement should be in watching the stuff happen, when it separates.
If it all works out really well for you, do another ten, or so, little batches
so you can fix mistakes in small quantities.  Having something go awry on a
large scale can be such a pain!!
Enjoy!
Michael



________________________________
From: Barney <airboatloveswamp@...>
To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 2:22:49 PM
Subject: [biodieselbasics] test batch


well its 5:17 pm tuesday I made my first test batch it setling now
I made sure there was no water then let it cool to 135 mixed my methoxide pured
it in and put it in a blender four about five minutes put it in a clear 1 gallon
glass and gonna watch the excitement never thought watching cooking oil change
to biodiesel was so interesting      (I guess you could say I'm hooked)
for what it worth thanks richard for the help




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I agree with Michael, That one gallon glass jug is all you need to make fuel;
mix together, cap tightly and shake vigorously for 1 min. and let it settle. (it
wouldn't hurt to stop after 30 seconds and vent the jug and continue but
normally not necessary)

Have fun!!

Rick

--- On Tue, 1/5/10, Michael <skylane@...> wrote:

From: Michael <skylane@...>
Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] test batch
To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 6:49 PM







 









       The blender?

Please don't be doing that indoors.

The soda bottle (Famous Dr Pepper method) is ohhh sooo much safer and works
perfectly well.

I used a blender, one time, it leaked.  Thank goodness there was no reaction
between the motor and methanol vapors.  I could smell the methanol and know that
is a bad thing.

Yes, the excitement should be in watching the stuff happen, when it separates.

If it all works out really well for you, do another ten, or so, little batches
so you can fix mistakes in small quantities.  Having something go awry on a
large scale can be such a pain!!

Enjoy!

Michael



____________ _________ _________ __

From: Barney <airboatloveswamp@ yahoo.com>

To: biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 2:22:49 PM

Subject: [biodieselbasics] test batch



well its 5:17 pm tuesday I made my first test batch it setling now

I made sure there was no water then let it cool to 135 mixed my methoxide pured
it in and put it in a blender four about five minutes put it in a clear 1 gallon
glass and gonna watch the excitement never thought watching cooking oil change
to biodiesel was so interesting      (I guess you could say I'm hooked)

for what it worth thanks richard for the help



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This is the problem. Smaller vehicles with DPF (VW, Mercedes, And pickups to one
ton), Use a method that uses a "post purge injection".
This is a small quantity of fuel injected into the cylinder after it fires,
before it gets to the bottom of the stroke. This is only done when the engine is
at reduced throttle. This fuel evaporates but does not burn, when the piston
moves up the "fuel vapor" is pushed into the exhaust, where it burns in the
"converter". This burns up the soot. As BioD burns "differently" than diesel
fuel, part of the post purge does not evaporate. Its not about burning "slower",
its about different characteristics when evaporating. The part that does not
evaporate migrates into the engine oil causing a lot of dilution
VW and others allow B-5 (5% Bio) because they say that the dilution will not be
great enough between oil changes. I have read posts that claim 50% dilution  in
3000 mi on 100% BioD. See my post 20032 on this same subject.

Dick

--- In biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com, Nate Corona <coronan@...> wrote:
>
> I thought the problem was BioD plugging the Diesel Particulate Filter
> because it burns slower.
> Not that it diludes crank case oil.  Bio diludes cranks case  oil but i find
> 3000 mi an astonishing rate.   Does any one have links on this?
>
> Why are newer cars more prone to crank case contamination than the old ones?
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:03 AM, Richard <harveyking2002@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Ask your dealer, he will tell you. I believe there is a service letter out
> > on it.
> >
> > Dick
> >
> >
> > --- In biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com <biodieselbasics%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Felix Kersting <fjkersting@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Where does the information regarding the newer VW come from? No one can
> > > tell me definitively.
> > >
> > > I have an '09 Jetta clean diesel, but I don't want to hurt that
> > > expensive engine!
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

How does the fuel dilute crankcase oil?  Diesel is actually thinner and it
doesn't do that.  How does biodiesel go where diesel doesn't?

--- On Tue, 1/5/10, Nate Corona <coronan@...> wrote:

From: Nate Corona <coronan@...>
Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: What's better
To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 5:09 PM

I thought the problem was BioD plugging the Diesel Particulate Filter
because it burns slower.
Not that it diludes crank case oil.  Bio diludes cranks case  oil but i find
3000 mi an astonishing rate.   Does any one have links on this?

Why are newer cars more prone to crank case contamination than the old ones?

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:03 AM, Richard <harveyking2002@...> wrote:

>
>
> Ask your dealer, he will tell you. I believe there is a service letter out
> on it.
>
> Dick
>
>
> --- In biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com <biodieselbasics%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Felix Kersting <fjkersting@...> wrote:
> >
> > Where does the information regarding the newer VW come from? No one can
> > tell me definitively.
> >
> > I have an '09 Jetta clean diesel, but I don't want to hurt that
> > expensive engine!
> >
>
> 
>


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To learn more about Biodiesel and how it's made, go to:
http://www.biodieselcommunity.orgYahoo! Groups Links








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I just read this explanation.  What years does this happen with?
Filtration problems are much reduced by  filtering down to one micron.  I
double filtermore expensive to set it up, bit cheaper that replacing filters
every 100 mies,,

--- On Tue, 1/5/10, Richard <harveyking2002@...> wrote:

From: Richard <harveyking2002@...>
Subject: [biodieselbasics] Re: What's better
To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 7:43 PM
















 









       This is the problem. Smaller vehicles with DPF (VW, Mercedes, And pickups
to one ton), Use a method that uses a "post purge injection".

This is a small quantity of fuel injected into the cylinder after it fires,
before it gets to the bottom of the stroke. This is only done when the engine is
at reduced throttle. This fuel evaporates but does not burn, when the piston
moves up the "fuel vapor" is pushed into the exhaust, where it burns in the
"converter". This burns up the soot. As BioD burns "differently" than diesel
fuel, part of the post purge does not evaporate. Its not about burning "slower",
its about different characteristics when evaporating. The part that does not
evaporate migrates into the engine oil causing a lot of dilution

VW and others allow B-5 (5% Bio) because they say that the dilution will not be
great enough between oil changes. I have read posts that claim 50% dilution  in
3000 mi on 100% BioD. See my post 20032 on this same subject.



Dick



--- In biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com, Nate Corona <coronan@... > wrote:

>

> I thought the problem was BioD plugging the Diesel Particulate Filter

> because it burns slower.

> Not that it diludes crank case oil.  Bio diludes cranks case  oil but i find

> 3000 mi an astonishing rate.   Does any one have links on this?

>

> Why are newer cars more prone to crank case contamination than the old ones?

>

> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:03 AM, Richard <harveyking2002@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Ask your dealer, he will tell you. I believe there is a service letter out

> > on it.

> >

> > Dick

> >

> >

> > --- In biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com <biodieselbasics% 40yahoogroups.
com>,

> > Felix Kersting <fjkersting@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Where does the information regarding the newer VW come from? No one can

> > > tell me definitively.

> > >

> > > I have an '09 Jetta clean diesel, but I don't want to hurt that

> > > expensive engine!

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>






























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I don't know where you are; but we are making perfect 50 gallon batches in
Detroit; the capacity of our biopro190 is more than we can use

--- On Tue, 1/5/10, Michael <skylane@...> wrote:

From: Michael <skylane@...>
Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] test batch
To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 6:49 PM
















 









       The blender?

Please don't be doing that indoors.

The soda bottle (Famous Dr Pepper method) is ohhh sooo much safer and works
perfectly well.

I used a blender, one time, it leaked.  Thank goodness there was no reaction
between the motor and methanol vapors.  I could smell the methanol and know that
is a bad thing.

Yes, the excitement should be in watching the stuff happen, when it separates.

If it all works out really well for you, do another ten, or so, little batches
so you can fix mistakes in small quantities.  Having something go awry on a
large scale can be such a pain!!

Enjoy!

Michael



____________ _________ _________ __

From: Barney <airboatloveswamp@ yahoo.com>

To: biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 2:22:49 PM

Subject: [biodieselbasics] test batch



well its 5:17 pm tuesday I made my first test batch it setling now

I made sure there was no water then let it cool to 135 mixed my methoxide pured
it in and put it in a blender four about five minutes put it in a clear 1 gallon
glass and gonna watch the excitement never thought watching cooking oil change
to biodiesel was so interesting      (I guess you could say I'm hooked)

for what it worth thanks richard for the help



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






























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I believe this is in the '06 and later models.  The reason the manufacturers did
this was to reduce the particulates from combustion to meet the new tighter
California standards, so filtering has nothing to do with it.  The particles are
the soot from burning.

I've also read of cases were too much BD in the oil actually "polymerizes" and
becomes a sludge.  Bottom line, BD in the oil is not good - a little BD is "ok"
according to the dealers, since it won't become too high a percentage of the
volume before an oil change.  But folks using B100 in newer engines have had
problems...

Bear

--- In biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com, Jean Wilson <jeanofarc@...> wrote:
>
> I just read this explanation.  What years does this happen with?
> Filtration problems are much reduced by  filtering down to one micron.  I
double filtermore expensive to set it up, bit cheaper that replacing filters
every 100 mies,,
>
> --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Richard <harveyking2002@...> wrote:
>
> From: Richard <harveyking2002@...>
> Subject: [biodieselbasics] Re: What's better
> To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 7:43 PM
>
>
>
>       This is the problem. Smaller vehicles with DPF (VW, Mercedes, And
pickups to one ton), Use a method that uses a "post purge injection".
>
> This is a small quantity of fuel injected into the cylinder after it fires,
before it gets to the bottom of the stroke. This is only done when the engine is
at reduced throttle. This fuel evaporates but does not burn, when the piston
moves up the "fuel vapor" is pushed into the exhaust, where it burns in the
"converter". This burns up the soot. As BioD burns "differently" than diesel
fuel, part of the post purge does not evaporate. Its not about burning "slower",
its about different characteristics when evaporating. The part that does not
evaporate migrates into the engine oil causing a lot of dilution
>
> VW and others allow B-5 (5% Bio) because they say that the dilution will not
be great enough between oil changes. I have read posts that claim 50% dilution 
in 3000 mi on 100% BioD. See my post 20032 on this same subject.
>
>
>
> Dick
>
>
>
> --- In biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com, Nate Corona <coronan@ > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I thought the problem was BioD plugging the Diesel Particulate Filter
>
> > because it burns slower.
>
> > Not that it diludes crank case oil.  Bio diludes cranks case  oil but i find
>
> > 3000 mi an astonishing rate.   Does any one have links on this?
>
> >
>
> > Why are newer cars more prone to crank case contamination than the old ones?
>
> >
>
> > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:03 AM, Richard <harveyking2002@ ...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > Ask your dealer, he will tell you. I believe there is a service letter out
>
> > > on it.
>
> > >
>
> > > Dick
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > --- In biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com <biodieselbasics% 40yahoogroups.
com>,
>
> > > Felix Kersting <fjkersting@ > wrote:
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Where does the information regarding the newer VW come from? No one can
>
> > > > tell me definitively.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > I have an '09 Jetta clean diesel, but I don't want to hurt that
>
> > > > expensive engine!
>
> > > >
>
> > >
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> > >
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Its got nothing to do with filtration. These cars & trucks after 2007 & 1/2 have
a computer operated pollution system that causes this problem. Best is to
contact your dealer who will explain it if your vehicle is included.

Dick


--- In biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com, Jean Wilson <jeanofarc@...> wrote:
>
> I just read this explanation.  What years does this happen with?
> Filtration problems are much reduced by  filtering down to one micron.  I
double filtermore expensive to set it up, bit cheaper that replacing filters
every 100 mies,,
>
> --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Richard <harveyking2002@...> wrote:
>
> From: Richard <harveyking2002@...>
> Subject: [biodieselbasics] Re: What's better
> To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 7:43 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>       This is the problem. Smaller vehicles with DPF (VW, Mercedes, And
pickups to one ton), Use a method that uses a "post purge injection".
>
> This is a small quantity of fuel injected into the cylinder after it fires,
before it gets to the bottom of the stroke. This is only done when the engine is
at reduced throttle. This fuel evaporates but does not burn, when the piston
moves up the "fuel vapor" is pushed into the exhaust, where it burns in the
"converter". This burns up the soot. As BioD burns "differently" than diesel
fuel, part of the post purge does not evaporate. Its not about burning "slower",
its about different characteristics when evaporating. The part that does not
evaporate migrates into the engine oil causing a lot of dilution
>
> VW and others allow B-5 (5% Bio) because they say that the dilution will not
be great enough between oil changes. I have read posts that claim 50% dilution 
in 3000 mi on 100% BioD. See my post 20032 on this same subject.
>
>
>
> Dick
>
>
>
> --- In biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com, Nate Corona <coronan@ > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I thought the problem was BioD plugging the Diesel Particulate Filter
>
> > because it burns slower.
>
> > Not that it diludes crank case oil.  Bio diludes cranks case  oil but i find
>
> > 3000 mi an astonishing rate.   Does any one have links on this?
>
> >
>
> > Why are newer cars more prone to crank case contamination than the old ones?
>
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Good information.I am refering to this statement when metioning the filteration:
 '"I thought the problem was BioD plugging the Diesel Particulate Filter"I've
seen too many problems regarding clogged filters and blown lines to ignore
it.Are manufacturers working on correcting the problem with the computers?  

--- On Tue, 1/5/10, Richard <harveyking2002@...> wrote:

From: Richard <harveyking2002@...>
Subject: [biodieselbasics] Re: What's better
To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 9:37 PM
















 









       Its got nothing to do with filtration. These cars & trucks after 2007 &
1/2 have a computer operated pollution system that causes this problem. Best is
to contact your dealer who will explain it if your vehicle is included.



Dick



--- In biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com, Jean Wilson <jeanofarc@. ..> wrote:

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> I just read this explanation.  What years does this happen with?

> Filtration problems are much reduced by  filtering down to one micron.
 I double filtermore expensive to set it up, bit cheaper that replacing
filters every 100 mies,,

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> --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Richard <harveyking2002@ ...> wrote:

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> From: Richard <harveyking2002@ ...>

> Subject: [biodieselbasics] Re: What's better

> To: biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com

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before it gets to the bottom of the stroke. This is only done when the engine is
at reduced throttle. This fuel evaporates but does not burn, when the piston
moves up the "fuel vapor" is pushed into the exhaust, where it burns in the
"converter". This burns up the soot. As BioD burns "differently" than diesel
fuel, part of the post purge does not evaporate. Its not about burning "slower",
its about different characteristics when evaporating.. The part that does not
evaporate migrates into the engine oil causing a lot of dilution

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> VW and others allow B-5 (5% Bio) because they say that the dilution will not
be great enough between oil changes. I have read posts that claim 50% dilution 
in 3000 mi on 100% BioD. See my post 20032 on this same subject..

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> --- In biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com, Nate Corona <coronan@ > wrote:

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In regards to the computers, absolutely not.

Dick

--- In biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com, Jean Wilson <jeanofarc@...> wrote:
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> Good information.I am refering to this statement when metioning the
filteration:  '"I thought the problem was BioD plugging the Diesel Particulate
Filter"I've seen too many problems regarding clogged filters and blown lines to
ignore it.Are manufacturers working on correcting the problem with the
computers?  
>
> --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Richard <harveyking2002@...> wrote:
>
> From: Richard <harveyking2002@...>
> Subject: [biodieselbasics] Re: What's better
> To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 9:37 PM
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>       Its got nothing to do with filtration. These cars & trucks after 2007 &
1/2 have a computer operated pollution system that causes this problem. Best is
to contact your dealer who will explain it if your vehicle is included.
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> Dick
>
> --- In biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com, Jean Wilson <jeanofarc@ ..> wrote:
>
> > I just read this explanation.  What years does this happen with?
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> > Filtration problems are much reduced by  filtering down to one micron.
 I double filtermore expensive to set it up, bit cheaper that replacing
filters every 100 mies,,
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You mean that manufacturers have no intention of making cars that run on
biodiesel anymore?

--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Richard <harveyking2002@...> wrote:

From: Richard <harveyking2002@...>
Subject: [biodieselbasics] Re: What's better
To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 3:04 PM

In regards to the computers, absolutely not.

Dick

--- In biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com, Jean Wilson <jeanofarc@. ..> wrote:

>

> Good information. I am refering to this statement when metioning the
filteration:  '"I thought the problem was BioD plugging the Diesel
Particulate Filter"I've seen too many problems regarding clogged filters and
blown lines to ignore it.Are manufacturers working on correcting the problem
with the computers?

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I think the manufacturers are more concerned with complying with the EPA
regulations, so they can sell their vehicles.
Upcoming regulations are going to take a lot of comercial diesels off the road,
unless the owners can afford some kind of bazillion dollar upgrade.  I don't
think it's what goes into the engine that they are concerned with, it's what
comes out.
Michael



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From: Jean Wilson <jeanofarc@...>
To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 2:48:09 PM
Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: What's better


You mean that manufacturers have no intention of making cars that run on
biodiesel anymore?

--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Richard <harveyking2002@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Richard <harveyking2002@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [biodieselbasics] Re: What's better
To: biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 3:04 PM

In regards to the computers, absolutely not.

Dick

--- In biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com, Jean Wilson <jeanofarc@. ..> wrote:

>

> Good information. I am refering to this statement when metioning the
filteration:  '"I thought the problem was BioD plugging the Diesel
Particulate Filter"I've seen too many problems regarding clogged filters and
blown lines to ignore it.Are manufacturers working on correcting the problem
with the computers?

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Add that to the fact that the tax credit for BD blenders has expired, and we're
going to see quite a downturn in commercial Biodiesel in the next few months. 
There's just no incentive for manufacturers to build vehicles to burn BD, and a
lot of incentive to burn petro-diesel.

Bear

-----Original Message-----
From: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com [mailto:biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Michael
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 6:37 PM
To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: What's better

I think the manufacturers are more concerned with complying with the EPA
regulations, so they can sell their vehicles.
Upcoming regulations are going to take a lot of comercial diesels off the road,
unless the owners can afford some kind of bazillion dollar upgrade.  I don't
think it's what goes into the engine that they are concerned with, it's what
comes out.
Michael



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From: Jean Wilson <jeanofarc@...>
To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 2:48:09 PM
Subject: Re: [biodieselbasics] Re: What's better


You mean that manufacturers have no intention of making cars that run on
biodiesel anymore?

--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Richard <harveyking2002@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Richard <harveyking2002@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [biodieselbasics] Re: What's better
To: biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 3:04 PM

In regards to the computers, absolutely not.

Dick

--- In biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com, Jean Wilson <jeanofarc@. ..> wrote:

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> Good information. I am refering to this statement when metioning the
filteration:  '"I thought the problem was BioD plugging the Diesel Particulate
Filter"I've seen too many problems regarding clogged filters and blown lines to
ignore it.Are manufacturers working on correcting the problem with the
computers?

<snip>



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To learn more about Biodiesel and how it's made, go to:
http://www.biodieselcommunity.orgYahoo! Groups Links

I guess not. They have even resisted the  great "National Biodiesel board". How
dare they? I said before, "is it a coincidence that the manufactures have
settled on B-5, which happens top be the ideal
mix for blenders in regards to the tax credit"? They could use the system semi
trucks use where the fuel is sprayed directly into the exhaust, bypassing the
engine. What else did I say? The Biodiesel
industry can produce no more that 2% of the total diesel need per year. This
will never change. So the most profitable is blending 5%.
Its all about money.

--- In biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com, Jean Wilson <jeanofarc@...> wrote:
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> You mean that manufacturers have no intention of making cars that run on
biodiesel anymore?
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> --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Richard <harveyking2002@...> wrote:
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> From: Richard <harveyking2002@...>
> Subject: [biodieselbasics] Re: What's better
> To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 3:04 PM
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> In regards to the computers, absolutely not.
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> Dick
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> --- In biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com, Jean Wilson <jeanofarc@ ..> wrote:
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> > Good information. I am refering to this statement when metioning the
filteration:  '"I thought the problem was BioD plugging the Diesel
Particulate Filter"I've seen too many problems regarding clogged filters and
blown lines to ignore it.Are manufacturers working on correcting the problem
with the computers?
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University Of Nevada, Reno figured out how to extract oil from poultry
feathers.  Said process and the poultry industry could supply half of the
nations needs.

It all comes down to politics.




On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Richard <harveyking2002@...> wrote:

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> I guess not. They have even resisted the great "National Biodiesel board".
> How dare they? I said before, "is it a coincidence that the manufactures
> have settled on B-5, which happens top be the ideal
> mix for blenders in regards to the tax credit"? They could use the system
> semi trucks use where the fuel is sprayed directly into the exhaust,
> bypassing the engine. What else did I say? The Biodiesel
> industry can produce no more that 2% of the total diesel need per year.
> This will never change. So the most profitable is blending 5%.
> Its all about money.
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> --- Ino biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com<biodieselbasics%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Jean Wilson <jeanofarc@...> wrote:
> >
> > You mean that manufacturers have no intention of making cars that run on
> biodiesel anymore?
> >
> > --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Richard <harveyking2002@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Richard <harveyking2002@...>
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> > Subject: [biodieselbasics] Re: What's better
> > To: biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com <biodieselbasics%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 3:04 PM
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> > --- In biodieselbasics@ yahoogroups. com, Jean Wilson <jeanofarc@ ..>
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> filteration:  '"I thought the problem was BioD plugging the Diesel
> Particulate Filter"I've seen too many problems regarding clogged filters and
> blown lines to ignore it.Are manufacturers working on correcting the problem
> with the computers?
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Hi everyone i was wondering if anyone has any plans for a dry wash shower that
they might be able to share?

I dry wash all my fuel, 250 gal a week. You don't need a plan really.
You need a container twice size of the volume you are going to aerate.
It should be "tall" rather than short and wide. My small unit is made of a 55
gal barrel. My big unit is a 500 gal LP tank on end. I do about 37 gal in the
barrel, as I react 40 gal to start with. I run both units.

The 55 gal barrel is a barrel with a removable top. The type with a band clamp
holding the lid on. I brazed ("welding" with brass) a
1 1/4" pipe nipple in the side about 3" bellow the top edge. Use a 4" long
nipple, 2" on each side. I constructed a schedule 40 1 1/4" PVC pipe that starts
horizontal from the inside part of the nipple to the center of the barrel. The
it is elbowed down (90 el) to the bottom. At the bottom it has a tee with 2
horizontal pipes as long as possable to fit inside the barrel. about 10" long
each. These pipes are capped.
Think of a Christmas tree stand. Each of the pipes has 12 3/16" holes dilled in
it with more or less even spacing. This assembly is connected to the "nipple"
inside the barrel with a short piece of radiator hose and clamps. It doesn't get
enough Bio on it to make any difference that it is rubber. Get a long one and
cut in half.
Depending on your situation you will need to have a way to fill and drain. I
pump everything so I do it all from the top. You may need to "weld" a valve in
the bottom to drain the "scum, and one in the side an inch up to drain the
finished Bio. You reassemble with the locking
band. If you do not use a band type top it may "blow" Bio out the top.
  I added an extra 2" "bung" to the top and screwed 2 each 2" PVC male adapters
into them. I extended these 12"  and used 2 els to point the down. This lets the
air out.
Next get a shop vac and hook the vacuum hose to the nipple outside the barrel.
Use a 1 1/4" piece of PVC pipe between the 2 hose's connecting the nipple (the
other part of the hose you used inside)
and the vacuum hose. Of course you put the hose on the OUTLET of the vac. First
time you use it you fill it leaving a space between the BIO level and the top.
37-40 gal is all you can do.
Leave the top off. HAVE a helper or you may get a bath. Have the helper turn it
on and back off in 3 seconds. It probably will start blowing too hard. To much
BIO trying to blow over the side. Drill a 3/8" hole in that piece of PVC pipe
connecting the Vac. Try again. Use the holes to regulate the air flow until you
can let it run steady without the "blowing BIO" getting higher than the rim.
Reinstall the top. Blow at least 1 hr for every 10 gal. Longer doesn't hurt. Let
settle for several hrs. I let settle over night.

Now I am not saying it is 100% "soap" free. But many, many 1000's of gallons
have been finished this way by a number of us with no problems. You can do a
light water wash after, at first to satisfy
yourself on the quality.

Dick

--- In biodieselbasics@yahoogroups.com, "martin" <phactman@...> wrote:
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> Hi everyone i was wondering if anyone has any plans for a dry wash shower that
they might be able to share?
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