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Re: Bombus oddity

Hi Nigel,
I've had fun & games sorting out B. sylvestris males in the past. In "Files"
under "Maggie's pics", there are 3 picss of different colour forms of B. sylv.
males. The "banded" one is normal here; then I found a melanic version; and
then one that appeared to have a khaki abdomen down to the tail. I know that
these are all B. sylvestris males, because I prepared the genitalia and they
were all verified as correct. The other clue is that they are nest parasites or
B. pratorum - who absolutely love pollinating raspberries! Perhaps the colony
your bee came from is nearby to your raspberries. I currently have 3 x B.
pratorum nests near my raspberry patch.
'bye for now,
Maggie



--- In bwars@yahoogroups.com, "gateside.gilligan@..." <gateside.gilligan@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Janet
>
> You may well be right, but my possibly flawed reasoning before was thus:
> 1) I'd already identified a female B sylvestris in the garden, which
> had a quite broad black band, followed by a tiny brown tip to the tail.
> 2) But this specimen has no obvious black band towards the tail, but has
> an extensive pale band, immediately followed by a more ginger colour
> than brown
> 3) I have one photo that seems to indicate that the last 2 abdominal
> segs are this colour, not just the tip
> 4) the pale yellow is quite extensive at the top of the abdomen too.
>
> This seems to not comply with my description of B sylvestris male, which
> ought to be fairly like the female.
>
> Is my reasoning still wrong, or have I been caught out by an odd
> variation?
>
> Regards
> Nigel
>





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I have created an album "Bombus oddity", with 3 photos so far. I could upload many more if thought useful (but without broadband, it's difficult). I saw a...
George Gilligan
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Jul 3, 2009
12:09 pm

Hi Nigel, take a look at male Bombus sylvestris. The curved brown tail tip is the clue here. :) Janet...
speciesmad
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Jul 3, 2009
1:20 pm

Hi Janet You may well be right, but my possibly flawed reasoning before was thus: 1) I'd already identified a female B sylvestris in the garden, which had a...
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Jul 3, 2009
2:47 pm

Nigel, they are variable, take a look at the NHM Bumblebee charts. ...
speciesmad
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Jul 3, 2009
2:52 pm

Hello is that B. Sylvestris is a cuckoo bumblebee? how do you explain the variations of colors in the same genre?  best wishes Pierre ...
Pierre MILLE
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Jul 7, 2009
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Hi Nigel, I've had fun & games sorting out B. sylvestris males in the past. In "Files" under "Maggie's pics", there are 3 picss of different colour forms of...
maggiefrankum
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Jul 3, 2009
7:54 pm

Janet, thanks for the link. I would never have found that - looking around on the NHM web site is difficult at the best of times with dial-up slowness as...
George Gilligan
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Jul 4, 2009
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Nigel, I use the NHM site as a first port of call if in doubt. I often think I could do with a good reference book, but yours has shown to be not fully...
speciesmad
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Jul 4, 2009
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Hi Maggie Yes, it does all seem to fit, now that I have a reference point from Janet to the NHM web site that actually covers the banding of my specimen. So...
George Gilligan
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Jul 4, 2009
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Hello Pierre Colour variation in B sylvestris: I can reply only as an amateur, who supplied the original query & photos. It appears that I had at least 2 of...
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Jul 8, 2009
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Hello Nigel, I have not seen this drone is frustrating :) ! you tell me that your work is not what book is it ? what the drone bee or a little out of the...
Pierre MILLE
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Jul 10, 2009
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Hello, I am sorry that I do not understand your English - which does not quite make sense. Please could you reply again in simple French and my wife will be...
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Bonjour, . sorry for my English I'm still learning désolé pour mon anglais je suis encore en phase d'apprentissage :) . I ask what book you speak ?  You...
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Hello Pierre, I understood your questions, so here goes: a) the book I mainly use is "Bumblebees" by Ted Benton. It's large & comprehensive, and I am a bit...
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Jul 10, 2009
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Hello Nigel Thank you for explanation ! have never noticed B. Monticola if come in england can be that, I shall see it :) I am in the allier it is splendid...
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