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RE: [cfntherapy] Free Will

Ken, Bob, and Tom:
 
Thanks for your concern about my health. I saw a radiation oncologist this afternoon but I suspect it will be a couple of weeks--or maybe a couple of months--before we decide how to treat this situation. Luckily there good options and no rush.
 
I want to pursue this concern I have with differentiating free will from self-change. I would tell you that I think there is a difference but exactly what is the difference...and does the difference make a difference (as I want to believe it does)? Let's see, exactly what is "free will?" Is it just deciding you want to make some change without having any plan for actually making the change? Suppose you want to exercise more and all you do is think of walking every day, is that "free will" if you actually start walking most days after thinking "I should walk?" If you set up some system to get you walking almost every day, such as asking a friend to get up at 6:00 AM and walk with you, setting a timer every day to signal "exercise time," or getting your spouse to give you $5 for new  golf clubs every time you exercise for a full hour at the YMCA and get your t-shirt sweaty, is that self-control and not "free will?"
 
Do you see what I mean? Behavior modification is self-change based on sound procedures, e.g. using a signal to trigger a desired response, but using the mind's memory to trigger a desired response would be "will" and not intentional self-change? Help me make a meaningful distinction.
 
Clay

Clay Tucker-Ladd, Ph.D.

Clinical Psychologist & Author of

Psychological Self-Help

http://mentalhelp.net/psyhelp/



Mon Dec 13, 2004 10:23 pm

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Clay, We haven't heard from you recently' I'm hoping it's because you're actively pursuing info and treatment re your prostate cancer. We're all excited...
Bob Miller
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Dec 9, 2004
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Thanks Bob for asking about my health. Well, I still don't know the proper treatment...although you can bet it has captured my attention. Without going into...
Clay Tucker-Ladd
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Dec 10, 2004
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Clay, I don't know much about radiation tx, so am just hoping it's effective and painless. Thanks for keeping us posted. Re self-help, I don't really see the...
Bob Miller
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Dec 12, 2004
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Hopefully good books can lead people to good therapists, and vice versa. Ken ... and painless. Thanks for keeping us posted. ... therapist whom you use as a...
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Dec 12, 2004
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Ken, Bob, and Tom: Thanks for your concern about my health. I saw a radiation oncologist this afternoon but I suspect it will be a couple of weeks--or maybe a...
Clay Tucker-Ladd
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Dec 13, 2004
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Clay: "Self-change" occurs without free will. All "change", whether we're talking about evolution, volcanoes, disease, education, or "personal growth", is...
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Dec 16, 2004
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... disease, ... By "in some cases" I meant all cases where brains are involved (which excludes much of evolution and all volcanoes!) Ken...
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