Hi Farmer-owner,  I am confused as usual, thats normal for an old guy like
me.  I e-mailed someone who was on this net and I went straight to her
address.  Did you want us to go through cheap critters address?  Warren
----------
>From: Farmer <robinson@...>
>To: Cheap Critters <cheapcritters@onelist.com>
>Subject: [cheapcritters] [Fwd: Congratulations Francis]
>Date: Tue, Mar 2, 1999, 1:40 AM
>

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Lambs to the left of me ! Lambs to the right of me !
Here comes a ewe up the hill with 3 more following her !
     Had one about 10 days ago, then a lamb here, a lamb
there. Now their falling out all over the place. one got
stepped on and died then yesterday an old gal dropped 3 way
to early and none of them had a chance, were not fully
developed.
     Still have 17 lambs and probably at least 40 to go.
Maybe more as these are almost all twins and triplets. Have
you ever tried to count 40 ewes and 17 lambs when nobody
will stay put.  :-)
     I hope "somebody" knows who belongs to who (or is it
whom) because I'm losing track. I am tagging the ewes with
number tags but since I don't like ear tags we are putting
them around their neck. I'm about out of bells but I
eventually want to have a 1 1/4" single sleigh bell on each
one (I just like the sound).
     Last year we had one old gal that had 6 lambs and
managed to raise 3 of them. I'll have to dig out that news
article and stick it on my site.
     Foot note:
                 It may be due to the warmer sunnier climate
here (in south central Indiana) than in the northern tier of
states but I have never in my life treated a navel and have
never had a single navel infection on any kind of animal.
This is a farm where we used to farrow a thousand pigs a
year.
     I'll keep you posted on all this lamb stuff.
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Hi George, never heard of that type of cattle, so can't help you there.
Goats are getting scarcer then hens teeth in upstate ny.  So many are going
for kill, and small farms [even hobby farms] are on their way out.   Good
luck in your venture.
-----Original Message-----
From: LAZYTFARM1@... <LAZYTFARM1@...>
To: cheapcritters@onelist.com <cheapcritters@onelist.com>
Date: Monday, March 01, 1999 12:23 PM
Subject: [cheapcritters] Intro


>From: LAZYTFARM1@...
>
>Hello,
>I live in central Kentucky, just south of Louisville. I raise chickens (for
>eggs and meat),Muscovy ducks (also for eggs and meat). I will be getting
some
>quail and rabbits when it warms up some. I am looking for a couple of
fainting
>goats and  Zebu(Zubu?) cattle. I can't seem to find the goats in my price
>range and can't find the Zebu(Zubu?) at all. The Zebu(Zubu?) looks like a
>Brahman, but a lot smaller. If any one can help, please do. I have raised a
>lot of critters in my lifetime and have a lot of money saving ways to do a
>whole bunch of things. I will be putting my in 2 cents worth a lot in the
>months to come.
>Thanks, George
>LazyTFarm1@...
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Hello,
I live in central Kentucky, just south of Louisville. I raise chickens (for
eggs and meat),Muscovy ducks (also for eggs and meat). I will be getting some
quail and rabbits when it warms up some. I am looking for a couple of fainting
goats and  Zebu(Zubu?) cattle. I can't seem to find the goats in my price
range and can't find the Zebu(Zubu?) at all. The Zebu(Zubu?) looks like a
Brahman, but a lot smaller. If any one can help, please do. I have raised a
lot of critters in my lifetime and have a lot of money saving ways to do a
whole bunch of things. I will be putting my in 2 cents worth a lot in the
months to come.
Thanks, George
LazyTFarm1@...

Do i just hit this reply to author to post messages or do i need to go to
onelist page and go from there? I have never been in a "chat" group. Good
news for you I learn fast. Just point me in the right direction.  Thank  you
-----Original Message-----
From: cheapcritters-owner@onelist.com <cheapcritters-owner@onelist.com>
To: robkim@... <robkim@...>
Date: Monday, March 01, 1999 9:27 AM
Subject: [cheapcritters] Welcome to cheapcritters@onelist.com


>Howdy folks,
>
>Welcome to the CHEAP CRITTERS list. Please take a moment to review this
message.
>
>
>
>There is only one rule to really remember on this list, on this list - I AM
IN
>CHARGE !
>Having said that I don't intend to hold a really tight rein on this list
and
>wandering off topic with good intentions is not a capitol offense as long
as we
>continue to steer in the right direction.
>The right direction is one of civel, pleasant discussion of the topic. I
intend
>for this list to have a tone of relaxed dignity.
>Please smile while posting. :-)
>Here is the big rule - and one I will enforce - ABSOLUTLY NO POLITICS AND
NO
>RELIGION.
>Rule 2 - I have the only "flame thrower" allowed on this list. I reserve
the
>right to ZAP or remove anybody that uses this list improperly.
>Always remember this is a family list and will probably draw more children
than
>many other list due to pet content.
>Please delete any extra stuff you can from quoted messages.
>
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dinners.
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>Thanks, Francis Robinson  "farmer"
>             List Owner
>

Yea, I saw it and then the CRS kicked in and I forgot about that part till
ya reminded me.
I guess I never have had lamb. I'll have to try it sometime.This isn't real
big sheep area around here so it aint a usual menu item. Now turkey, milk,
and beef we got.
I live in western centeral Minnesota about 45 miles south east of Fargo, ND.
To find us on a map look for Fergus Falls then go north east about 20 miles.
Yup, right there in the lakes country, somewhere around 10,000 of em.

Paul Fox wrote:

> From: Paul Fox <pfoxy@...>
>
> In case ya missed it in my intro note, I raise Shetlands.  They're
> rugged boogers, very low maintenance.  Them lambs are some tasty, too.
>  I have people lined up waiting to put down deposits for this year's
> crop.  If the girls read my game plan, I should have at least 13 lambs.
>
> ---Dallas & Paula <ndiysy@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Dallas & Paula <ndiysy@...>
> >
> > Other than selling price Ya can't ask fer much more.
> >
> > Paul Fox wrote:
> >
> > > From: Paul Fox <pfoxy@...>
> > >
> > > Yep, I get them lambie-critters while they're still wet, wipe 'em
> down
> > > with a towel and dip 'em.  Couple days later, I band their tails,
> and
> > > at about two weeks, vaccinate 'em.  Had a real good crop of lambs
> last
> > > year, absolutely no problems at all.
> > >
> > > ---Dallas & Paula <ndiysy@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Dallas & Paula <ndiysy@...>
> > > >
> > > > Right on Paul!! An empty Windex bottle or other sprayer type
> bottle
> > > works
> > > > good. Used to do that on calves and I belive it saved many. Best
> to
> > > do it as
> > > > soon as they hit the ground. Back on the cattle ranch we used to
> do
> > > the
> > > > navel spray, rubberband the... make em steers, and ear tag and
> > > always tried
> > > > to do it in the first couple days, after that they move too fast.
> > > >
> > > > Paul Fox wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: Paul Fox <pfoxy@...>
> > > > >
> > > > > When I got into birthing lambs for the first time last year, my
> > > mentor
> > > > > advised me to dip their umbilicals in betadine (a mixture of
> iodine
> > > > > and hydrogen peroxide, I think, available over the counter,
> common
> > > in
> > > > > household medicine cabinets). Never had any infection problems.
> > > With
> > > > > lambs, which are small enough to pick up, there's a little gizmo
> > > to do
> > > > > it with, but I'd think painting it on would work just as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Won't help this time, but for future reference...
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope that calf-critter is doing okay, keep us posted.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW, HI, SHIRLEY!
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul Fox
> > > > >
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In case ya missed it in my intro note, I raise Shetlands.  They're
rugged boogers, very low maintenance.  Them lambs are some tasty, too.
  I have people lined up waiting to put down deposits for this year's
crop.  If the girls read my game plan, I should have at least 13 lambs.




---Dallas & Paula <ndiysy@...> wrote:
>
> From: Dallas & Paula <ndiysy@...>
>
> Other than selling price Ya can't ask fer much more.
>
> Paul Fox wrote:
>
> > From: Paul Fox <pfoxy@...>
> >
> > Yep, I get them lambie-critters while they're still wet, wipe 'em
down
> > with a towel and dip 'em.  Couple days later, I band their tails,
and
> > at about two weeks, vaccinate 'em.  Had a real good crop of lambs
last
> > year, absolutely no problems at all.
> >
> > ---Dallas & Paula <ndiysy@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Dallas & Paula <ndiysy@...>
> > >
> > > Right on Paul!! An empty Windex bottle or other sprayer type
bottle
> > works
> > > good. Used to do that on calves and I belive it saved many. Best
to
> > do it as
> > > soon as they hit the ground. Back on the cattle ranch we used to
do
> > the
> > > navel spray, rubberband the... make em steers, and ear tag and
> > always tried
> > > to do it in the first couple days, after that they move too fast.
> > >
> > > Paul Fox wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Paul Fox <pfoxy@...>
> > > >
> > > > When I got into birthing lambs for the first time last year, my
> > mentor
> > > > advised me to dip their umbilicals in betadine (a mixture of
iodine
> > > > and hydrogen peroxide, I think, available over the counter,
common
> > in
> > > > household medicine cabinets). Never had any infection problems.
> > With
> > > > lambs, which are small enough to pick up, there's a little gizmo
> > to do
> > > > it with, but I'd think painting it on would work just as well.
> > > >
> > > > Won't help this time, but for future reference...
> > > >
> > > > Hope that calf-critter is doing okay, keep us posted.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, HI, SHIRLEY!
> > > >
> > > > Paul Fox
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Other than selling price Ya can't ask fer much more.

Paul Fox wrote:

> From: Paul Fox <pfoxy@...>
>
> Yep, I get them lambie-critters while they're still wet, wipe 'em down
> with a towel and dip 'em.  Couple days later, I band their tails, and
> at about two weeks, vaccinate 'em.  Had a real good crop of lambs last
> year, absolutely no problems at all.
>
> ---Dallas & Paula <ndiysy@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Dallas & Paula <ndiysy@...>
> >
> > Right on Paul!! An empty Windex bottle or other sprayer type bottle
> works
> > good. Used to do that on calves and I belive it saved many. Best to
> do it as
> > soon as they hit the ground. Back on the cattle ranch we used to do
> the
> > navel spray, rubberband the... make em steers, and ear tag and
> always tried
> > to do it in the first couple days, after that they move too fast.
> >
> > Paul Fox wrote:
> >
> > > From: Paul Fox <pfoxy@...>
> > >
> > > When I got into birthing lambs for the first time last year, my
> mentor
> > > advised me to dip their umbilicals in betadine (a mixture of iodine
> > > and hydrogen peroxide, I think, available over the counter, common
> in
> > > household medicine cabinets). Never had any infection problems.
> With
> > > lambs, which are small enough to pick up, there's a little gizmo
> to do
> > > it with, but I'd think painting it on would work just as well.
> > >
> > > Won't help this time, but for future reference...
> > >
> > > Hope that calf-critter is doing okay, keep us posted.
> > >
> > > BTW, HI, SHIRLEY!
> > >
> > > Paul Fox
> > >
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Yep, I get them lambie-critters while they're still wet, wipe 'em down
with a towel and dip 'em.  Couple days later, I band their tails, and
at about two weeks, vaccinate 'em.  Had a real good crop of lambs last
year, absolutely no problems at all.



---Dallas & Paula <ndiysy@...> wrote:
>
> From: Dallas & Paula <ndiysy@...>
>
> Right on Paul!! An empty Windex bottle or other sprayer type bottle
works
> good. Used to do that on calves and I belive it saved many. Best to
do it as
> soon as they hit the ground. Back on the cattle ranch we used to do
the
> navel spray, rubberband the... make em steers, and ear tag and
always tried
> to do it in the first couple days, after that they move too fast.
>
> Paul Fox wrote:
>
> > From: Paul Fox <pfoxy@...>
> >
> > When I got into birthing lambs for the first time last year, my
mentor
> > advised me to dip their umbilicals in betadine (a mixture of iodine
> > and hydrogen peroxide, I think, available over the counter, common
in
> > household medicine cabinets). Never had any infection problems.
With
> > lambs, which are small enough to pick up, there's a little gizmo
to do
> > it with, but I'd think painting it on would work just as well.
> >
> > Won't help this time, but for future reference...
> >
> > Hope that calf-critter is doing okay, keep us posted.
> >
> > BTW, HI, SHIRLEY!
> >
> > Paul Fox
> >
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Right on Paul!! An empty Windex bottle or other sprayer type bottle works
good. Used to do that on calves and I belive it saved many. Best to do it as
soon as they hit the ground. Back on the cattle ranch we used to do the
navel spray, rubberband the... make em steers, and ear tag and always tried
to do it in the first couple days, after that they move too fast.

Paul Fox wrote:

> From: Paul Fox <pfoxy@...>
>
> When I got into birthing lambs for the first time last year, my mentor
> advised me to dip their umbilicals in betadine (a mixture of iodine
> and hydrogen peroxide, I think, available over the counter, common in
> household medicine cabinets). Never had any infection problems.  With
> lambs, which are small enough to pick up, there's a little gizmo to do
> it with, but I'd think painting it on would work just as well.
>
> Won't help this time, but for future reference...
>
> Hope that calf-critter is doing okay, keep us posted.
>
> BTW, HI, SHIRLEY!
>
> Paul Fox
>
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When I got into birthing lambs for the first time last year, my mentor
advised me to dip their umbilicals in betadine (a mixture of iodine
and hydrogen peroxide, I think, available over the counter, common in
household medicine cabinets). Never had any infection problems.  With
lambs, which are small enough to pick up, there's a little gizmo to do
it with, but I'd think painting it on would work just as well.

Won't help this time, but for future reference...

Hope that calf-critter is doing okay, keep us posted.

BTW, HI, SHIRLEY!

Paul Fox

Hi Bonnie, just read your e-mail, is the calf still alive?  This is Sun. evening
5:45.
     -----Original Message-----
     From: dm574 <dm574@...>
     To: cheap critters <cheapcritters@onelist.com>
     Date: Sunday, February 28, 1999 2:37 PM
     Subject: [cheapcritters] Intro




         Well I'm new to this farm thing.  My husband grew up on a dairy farm but
I was a city girl who moved to the country at 14, then back to the city until
last year.  We bought a five acre farm and have three horses, a seven month old
jersey/Holstein steer, a 3 week old Holstein bull calf.  We've raised five pigs
and 10 turkeys so far.  I'm struggling at the moment with the 3 week old calf. 
He had a navel infection which hastened by the cold turned into scours.  He's
had numerous antibiotics and electrolytes.  I think he may be getting better.  I
was fearful we might lose him on Friday morning.  I'm giving him fluids every
four hours, all day, all night.  He's eating hay and grain, but very weak in the
hind end.  We'll see what happens.  Anyways, nice to be here.



     Bonnie MacPherson                     /\
     Morning Glory Farm                  ~~   \\
     Ontario, Canada                   ~~~    0\
     ICQ#29089357                 ~~~~ /\    \
     dm574@...                ~~~~     (_c)

Hi folks:

     Just a quick note about the "happy99" worm virus. As
many of you know 98% of the virus warnings you get on the
net are hoaxes. The happy 99 virus is real but mostly just a
nuisance. If you mistakenly open the file "happy99.exe which
you may receive as an attachment to an e-mail you will see a
one time fireworks screen and it is done. The problem is
that when you send e-mail to anyone else afterward it sends
itself to them. and if they open the file, on it goes. You
won't be infected by reading the e-mail, you have to open
the exe file to get it.
Basic instructions:

  (a) Do not to open happy99.exe, just delete it.
  (b) If you have opened it, not to send email to other
people because you will infect them as well.
  (c) go to the Norton Anti-Virus web site -
http://www.symantec.com
- for instructions on how to clean it out of your computer.
(d) You don't have to worry about this if you are on digest,
because Onelist automatically takes care of it.

(e) Do not send attachments to the list.
(f) If you receive an attachment on or off list, verify with
the sender that they did send it to you on purpose. the
folks sending out this virus are unaware that it is going
out on their e-mail. Be extra careful of opening any
attachment ending in exe.
(g) Notify the person who sent you the attachment so they
can clean it out of their computer.


     Along the same vein of not sending attachments to the
list, I do have plans started to provide a place on my web
complex where you can send pictures (probably directly to
me) and they will be posted temporarily (maybe a few days)
so that if you want to show something to the list as a group
every body will be able to see it. My thinking is mostly for
such things as plans and drawings of things which can be
very hard to describe . A picture really can be worth a
thousand words. Maybe we can squeeze in some favorite
critter pictures too.
     Of course if you have a web site you can use that and
just post it's URL to the list. As time goes on perhaps I
can generate a page of links to list members sites.
     One last thing, you will notice that on occasion I am
prone to fall victim to full scale "ramble attacks" but I
will try to steer close to the center.  :-)
--
farmer

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http://www.maxpages.com/robinsonco/

"You can get by on charm for about five minutes,
  after that you had better know something".

Well I'm new to this farm thing.  My husband grew up on a dairy farm but I
was a city girl who moved to the country at 14, then back to the city until last
year.  We bought a five acre farm and have three horses, a seven month old
jersey/Holstein steer, a 3 week old Holstein bull calf.  We've raised five pigs
and 10 turkeys so far.  I'm struggling at the moment with the 3 week old calf. 
He had a navel infection which hastened by the cold turned into scours.  He's
had numerous antibiotics and electrolytes.  I think he may be getting better.  I
was fearful we might lose him on Friday morning.  I'm giving him fluids every
four hours, all day, all night.  He's eating hay and grain, but very weak in the
hind end.  We'll see what happens.  Anyways, nice to be here.



Bonnie MacPherson                     /\
Morning Glory Farm                  ~~   \\
Ontario, Canada                   ~~~    0\
ICQ#29089357                 ~~~~ /\    \
dm574@...                ~~~~     (_c)

Crystal Eikanger wrote:

>  Hi, I'm just a "lurker" at the moment, trying to decide
> what critters I want to put on my 6 acres of Coastal
> Bermuda here in Texas. I'm trying to figure out what
> animals are cheapest to feed for more return on
> investment, etc.  Also, may possibly be moving to a larger
> spread *somewhere* (possibly Kansas) with a fellow who
> used to raise sheep and beef and would like to do it again
> "whatever makes money" was his answer when asked what
> critters we'd have on it.  So, that's why I'm here. One of
> my questions involves which state and/or town would be the
> cheapest in terms of  taxes, land for grazing, yet highest
> in getting good prices for different species (wool and
> sheep or goat milk, included).  I would think that the
> places where there are a LOT of the same species would
> have LOWER selling prices, but that places with fewer of
> the same species would have higher selling prices, but
> likely not much of a market for them.  Does that tend to
> be the case? Are crops necessary when raising farm
> animals?  Do they make feeding cheaper in the long
> run? Questions, questions!Thanks to all who have some
> answers!Crystal  :)

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We just subscribed. We live  in central Kentucky on 300 acre farm.  Most
of it is in the crp so we only have a few usable acres. We quit keeping
goats about ten years ago, and are about to get back into it.  I was
attracted to  the name cheap critters,  and I think far too often people
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Just a note to let everybody know that postings of
introduction are not only accepted, they are most welcome.
:-)
     This is a new list and we have gone from 0 members to 21
in 2 days. Sounds like a good start to me.


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Dallas & Paula wrote:

> From: Dallas & Paula <ndiysy@...>
>
> Do trees and plants qualify fer this list??
>
>

     As long as the list isn't overloaded (which it isn't) I don't see any
problems with discussion of rural lifestyle items. A good life involves a
lot of areas that all dovetail together and have few sharp lines between
them.
     Besides, a lot of critters eat plants and trees.  :-)
     "Cheap Critters" is a direction of focus, not a limit. Have at it...
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I been around cattle all my life and if they are beefers, grass pasture
is best and if you can do like farmer and keep moving them around so
they don't mow off the whole works in 2 days would be great. Give them
enuf oats/grain so you can get their attention when you call them in.
Feed them hay in the winter, bed em in stray and they will pick through
that too. A good rule of thumb for cows is not to give them too much
cause they'll just waste it. Keep salt/mineral blocks and water
available to them at all times. In general if you keep em fed on hay and
cheap grain they will do just fine. Don't over run your ground, in other
words keep the good ones, sell the bad ones and keep the head count the
same. We got a neighbor that used to try putting 40 head on 10 head
ground IT DON'T WORK!!

Farmer wrote:
>
> From: Farmer <robinson@...>
>
> Mike & Kathie Ranguette wrote:
>
> > From: "Mike & Kathie Ranguette" <maplelwn@...>
> >
> > hello,
> > We have 4 beef critters, to bulls both born last spring.
> > one far breed heffier and one young heffier. I feed Blue seal course 16 and
> > hay. However I have just be guessing as to how much to feed and seem to be
> > spending a small fortune on feed. so how much should I be feeding them?
> >
> >
>
>     Thanks for joining us:
>
>     I have not raised any beef since the early 1960's (I was a lot younger
> then) but we raised beef cattle a lot like I now raised my sheep. About all we
> ever fed them was grass, hay, mineral supplements and salt blocks. It is hard
> to get much cheaper than that. The only time I give my sheep grain is a tiny
> bit to keep them trained to come at my call, training to electric fence and
> when they are penned after they lamb. They only get hay when they don't have
> grass.
>     A great deal depends on how fast you want them to gain and be ready. Since
> my sheep are based on marginal land (I wouldn't be putting much of that land
> under cultivation anyway) I figure it is cheaper for me to let them take an
> extra 2 or 3 months to get to market weight than to feed them expensive grain
> to speed them up.
>     That also makes for a leaner meat which fits well into today's "fat free"
> system.
>     Another advantage for me is that I then market my lambs after the fall
> market glut is over. I am not sure that is a relevant factor with beef.
>     My purpose here is to point out that these grass eaters can flourish
> without any commercial feed at all if they have grass or hay to eat. They are
> wonderful processors of roughage. What each grower has to work out is what is
> best for their application. Full feed, no feed or any place between.
>     I am lucky as our farm has 105 acres at this location (which is in central
> Indiana)
> I have about 8 to 10 acres in permanent sheep pasture and grow corn, soybeans
> and wheat on the rest. In the spring during rapid growth I use intensive
> rotational grazing on part of my lots and let about 4 acres grow to be baled
as
> hay (big bales 1200#). The hay ground is fertilized when I do my winter wheat
> in march. After the hay is baled (I only take 1 cutting) that ground is added
> to the grazing rotation.
>     By early July I have run the wheat (20 to 25 acres) and let them have that
> ground. They find stuff all over that as well as a lot to eat around the
fence.
> I then broadcast winter (grain) rye at about 1 bushel per acre which sprouts
> over the summer and makes a good edible and protective mat by fall. It gives
> them something green to eat all winter and really takes off in spring. It also
> makes green manure to till in for the following crop.
>     The soybeans (20 to 25 acres) are run in Sept. or Oct. and they then get
> all that ground.
>     Corn (20 to 25 acres) is run Oct. to Nov. and they find plenty to eat
> there.
>     When they are getting this extra ground I take them off of some of the
lots
> so they can grow up tall to store grass in the lot for winter eating. I would
> rather store it in the field than the barn.
>     When the ground is covered or the grass starts running out I then give
them
> hay. We keep a molasses base mineral block (special sheep and goat) as well as
> salt in front of them all the time.
>     During short periods of bad summer drought I often feed them green corn by
> cutting it off low with a corn knife and tossing the whole stalk and ear over
> the fence at the rate of one stalk per day per sheep until pastures get rain
> and recover.
>
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Hi-I'm no commercial beef raiser, that's for sure.  But I always had luck with
local feed mills.  If there is one in your area that grinds their own feed,
that's your best bet.  $10.00/hundred was what I paid.  I too left them on
pasture, like farmer, but I did supplement them with a scoop of grain per day
and whatever hay they wanted in the winter.  As long as you keep them wormed,
they should do all right.  That scoop of grain per day should add a nice shine
to the coat and finish them nicely.  Commercial buyers prefer that they be
kept penned up-the more they move and run and play, the stronger it makes
their muscles-which makes the meat tough.  But that a personal choice for you
to make.  Good luck.

Mike & Kathie Ranguette wrote:

> From: "Mike & Kathie Ranguette" <maplelwn@...>
>
> hello,
> We have 4 beef critters, to bulls both born last spring.
> one far breed heffier and one young heffier. I feed Blue seal course 16 and
> hay. However I have just be guessing as to how much to feed and seem to be
> spending a small fortune on feed. so how much should I be feeding them?
>
>

     Thanks for joining us:

     I have not raised any beef since the early 1960's (I was a lot younger
then) but we raised beef cattle a lot like I now raised my sheep. About all we
ever fed them was grass, hay, mineral supplements and salt blocks. It is hard
to get much cheaper than that. The only time I give my sheep grain is a tiny
bit to keep them trained to come at my call, training to electric fence and
when they are penned after they lamb. They only get hay when they don't have
grass.
     A great deal depends on how fast you want them to gain and be ready. Since
my sheep are based on marginal land (I wouldn't be putting much of that land
under cultivation anyway) I figure it is cheaper for me to let them take an
extra 2 or 3 months to get to market weight than to feed them expensive grain
to speed them up.
     That also makes for a leaner meat which fits well into today's "fat free"
system.
     Another advantage for me is that I then market my lambs after the fall
market glut is over. I am not sure that is a relevant factor with beef.
     My purpose here is to point out that these grass eaters can flourish
without any commercial feed at all if they have grass or hay to eat. They are
wonderful processors of roughage. What each grower has to work out is what is
best for their application. Full feed, no feed or any place between.
     I am lucky as our farm has 105 acres at this location (which is in central
Indiana)
I have about 8 to 10 acres in permanent sheep pasture and grow corn, soybeans
and wheat on the rest. In the spring during rapid growth I use intensive
rotational grazing on part of my lots and let about 4 acres grow to be baled as
hay (big bales 1200#). The hay ground is fertilized when I do my winter wheat
in march. After the hay is baled (I only take 1 cutting) that ground is added
to the grazing rotation.
     By early July I have run the wheat (20 to 25 acres) and let them have that
ground. They find stuff all over that as well as a lot to eat around the fence.
I then broadcast winter (grain) rye at about 1 bushel per acre which sprouts
over the summer and makes a good edible and protective mat by fall. It gives
them something green to eat all winter and really takes off in spring. It also
makes green manure to till in for the following crop.
     The soybeans (20 to 25 acres) are run in Sept. or Oct. and they then get
all that ground.
     Corn (20 to 25 acres) is run Oct. to Nov. and they find plenty to eat
there.
     When they are getting this extra ground I take them off of some of the lots
so they can grow up tall to store grass in the lot for winter eating. I would
rather store it in the field than the barn.
     When the ground is covered or the grass starts running out I then give them
hay. We keep a molasses base mineral block (special sheep and goat) as well as
salt in front of them all the time.
     During short periods of bad summer drought I often feed them green corn by
cutting it off low with a corn knife and tossing the whole stalk and ear over
the fence at the rate of one stalk per day per sheep until pastures get rain
and recover.

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Dallas & Paula wrote:

> From: Dallas & Paula <ndiysy@...>
>
> Well all I got is a couple household variety Tom cats. The older one
> goes outside and he is the Garfield of the 2 the other one acts like
> Odie always in high gear, high range, with the TA fully ingaged.
> We do need to get them de-nuted but hate the charges that apply, any
> ideas??
>
>

     Welcome to the list.

     I'm afraid I can't help you much on this one but would recommend that if
you tackle it as a do it yourself project project that you stock up on
Band-aids.  :-)

     Does any body have any ideas ?

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Well all I got is a couple household variety Tom cats. The older one
goes outside and he is the Garfield of the 2 the other one acts like
Odie always in high gear, high range, with the TA fully ingaged.
We do need to get them de-nuted but hate the charges that apply, any
ideas??

hello,
We have 4 beef critters, to bulls both born last spring.
one far breed heffier and one young heffier. I feed Blue seal course 16 and
hay. However I have just be guessing as to how much to feed and seem to be
spending a small fortune on feed. so how much should I be feeding them?

Greetings everybody:
     One thing I failed to put in my welcome message is that
this is a new list. This is the first day as I just got this
thing going yesterday evening. We are off to a good start
with six of us already and I feel like we will quickly get
enough subscribers for some really good input.
     Anybody is welcome to "lurk" and just read but I hope
everybody will just jump in and contribute. Sometimes the
most important thing to contribute is a good question.
     I don't want this to become a joke list but there is
usually room for (non-political) one liners as humor is very
important to daily life.
     I hope I don't sound too hypocritical Paul  :-)
     (Paul and I both frequent a board where jokes and tales
are the order of the day).
     I have forty mixed ewes and a lot of notions I will
share as we go along but mostly I want to learn all I can.
     I'm asking your forgiveness in advance for all the
mistakes I expect to make in operating this list.
     I will be posting this again as new folks come onboard
so don't worry if you see it, the record is not stuck in the
groove (did I just give away my age ?).
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---Mike & Kathie Ranguette <maplelwn@...> wrote:
>
> From: "Mike & Kathie Ranguette" <maplelwn@...>
>
> hello
> thanks for the welcome.
> i own and run a small farm in NH. I have been at it for just over a
year and
> could use any and all info i can get.


Howdy, all

My name is Paul Fox.  I have a small "hobby farm" in Downeast Maine
that I support from my day job as a computer consultant.

I raise Shetland sheep, chickens and turkeys, and have a small flock
of laying hens, all on 4 acres.  It's mostly for my own consumption,
tho I do sell a few freezer lambs when the girls provide extra.

If my ewes lamb according to plan, I should wind up with 8 sheep and
12 or 13 lambs by May.  I'm not going to make it on a bit less than 4
acres of pasture.  Therefore, my main concerns are developing more
pasture, and economical ways to obtain/produce hay.

I look forward to learning from and contributing to this list.

Paul Fox
Someday Farm
Prospect Harbor,
Maine

http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/garage/6604

hello
thanks for the welcome.
i own and run a small farm in NH. I have been at it for just over a year and
could use any and all info i can get.
-----Original Message-----
From: cheapcritters-owner@onelist.com <cheapcritters-owner@onelist.com>
To: mike@... <mike@...>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 10:23 PM
Subject: [cheapcritters] Welcome to cheapcritters@onelist.com


>Howdy folks,
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intend
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>Please smile while posting. :-)
>Here is the big rule - and one I will enforce - ABSOLUTLY NO POLITICS AND
NO
>RELIGION.
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