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Re: [chief-users] Re: Fix the bugs first

What about when the client changes his mind?
Drawing elevations in autocad means that you have to go and change
the plan and the elevations. In Chief you change the plan then update the
elevation to the layout.
A lot less painful!
Personally I refuse to deal with autodesk even after using autocad for 20 years.
I like the product (within limitations) but loathe the company.

Regards
Steve


----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce
To: chief-users@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:14 AM
Subject: [chief-users] Re: Fix the bugs first


Andy,

I use an old version of Autocad, but I'm going to upgrade to the
newer one. I find that 3d is not very time effective, especially
when you have go in and "fix" the issues that consume chief.

I can do a magnificent set of elevations in 2d which excite my
clientele in a couple of hours, and to do the same thing in 3d in
chief would take days and days and still not look as crisp. Hope
that helps.

--- In chief-users@yahoogroups.com, Andy&MaryAnn Robertson
<a.robertson7@...> wrote:
>
> Bruce,
> I am always curious. What is the other CAD you use? I do
renovations and
> find Chief 10 not particularly helpful when doing as build on a
100 year
> old house with three additions, dormers on dormers and other
> non-standard construction. Always looking for an alternative
> - Andy R
>
> Bruce wrote:
> >
> > This is the first I've heard about x2, I have x1 and don't use
it much
> > anymore. I use another CAD system which is much quicker for me.
> > As for x2, it seems to me that they should have fixed the bugs
that
> > have plagued Chief for years before trying to roll out another
version.
> >
> > Stairs need to be editable and show rails in plan view for one,
the
> > cad tools need to be more user-friendly and not make the system
crash;
> > and different wall types need to be able to join at the corners
> > without making some arbitrary "45 degree" joint. Lunacy and
> > unprofessional. I still use 10 on occasion to do renderings if
the
> > house isn't too complex and trim-laden, so I haven't really
looked at
> > x1 much. I hate the buttons and their appearance in x1, they were
> > cartoonish in 10, but x1 is ridiculous. That said, I've had very
good
> > luck with Chief support being friendly (except for one person),
and
> > they have always tried to fix the issues. But for that much
money,
> > there shouldn't BE that many issues.
> >
> > __._,
>





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This is the first I've heard about x2, I have x1 and don't use it much anymore. I use another CAD system which is much quicker for me. As for x2, it seems to...
Bruce
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Nov 12, 2008
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Bruce, I am always curious. What is the other CAD you use? I do renovations and find Chief 10 not particularly helpful when doing as build on a 100 year old...
Andy&MaryAnn Robertson
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Nov 13, 2008
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Andy, I use an old version of Autocad, but I'm going to upgrade to the newer one. I find that 3d is not very time effective, especially when you have go in...
Bruce
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Nov 16, 2008
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Just can't agree with you less. You draw it in 2d the 3d is there, the elevations are there. In Autocad You are 1 removed from using a pencil. My guess is...
rrspeer
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Nov 16, 2008
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What about when the client changes his mind? Drawing elevations in autocad means that you have to go and change the plan and the elevations. In Chief you...
Steve Callaway
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Nov 16, 2008
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Steve, I personally couldn't disagree with you more wholeheartedly! Well, except that I will definitely agree with you concerning autoCad/autodesk (ever since...
nhted104
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Nov 18, 2008
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Line weights are a critical part of any architectural drawing and set of construction documents. The CAD side of Chief is very, very poor and delivers...
Bruce
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Nov 20, 2008
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I must say you have spent no time with chief, have not done the tutorials, are so ingrained in the way you do things that you probably should just ride out...
rrspeer
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Nov 20, 2008
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Dear Bob Speer, Thank you so much for your sarcastic and ill-informed response, so typical of people who think they're being attacked when someone doesn't...
Bruce
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Nov 20, 2008
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Bruce, Thank you for putting into a calm and logical response to what I have stewing and sputtering over since I read Mr. Speer's comments. I have been...
nhted104
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Nov 20, 2008
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Dear Bruce, First off When someone has a problem they need help with in CA this -- is a great forum.If you had simply said you were having problems with line...
rrspeer
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Nov 20, 2008
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Ted: all great points...... i concurr in every one ... except that i will continue to use Chief as my construction drawing program. We own AutoCad Lt '98,...
Mike Smith
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Nov 18, 2008
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Hi Ted I will have to reply to couple of things. I have used the layout being disconnected from update to my advantage more than once. It is a workaround - but...
Steve Callaway
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Nov 18, 2008
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hi bruce, which version of chief are you using?? ... From: Bruce To: chief-users@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:25 AM Subject:...
Brian Wheatland
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Nov 20, 2008
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Bruce and Ted: I have also been at this for a while and started on the drawing board. Does Chief have problems in some areas? Yes, but then what CAD program,...
Larry Kumpost
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Nov 20, 2008
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Larry, You, as a very long-standing member of this group, in my opinion, have always been a facts-only, neutral opinion, and generous knowledgable support to...
Ted Terrenzio
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Nov 20, 2008
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Bruce and all of us have a right to our opinions and to state them publicly. Whether they are right , wrong or agreeable is secondary and inevitably Human...
David J. Potter
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Nov 21, 2008
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Hi Dave, FIX THE BUGS FIRST. Well said and perhaps a little reminder to the newer members of this informal forum, that we (oldies) originally set up this...
The Scribe
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