Dear Bob Speer,
Thank you so much for your sarcastic and ill-informed response, so
typical of people who think they're being attacked when someone
doesn't agree with them or doesn't share their passion for a
product. As for the "crashing" Chief has consistently crashed on
four different computers, all state of the art. It does this in CAD
mode 99% of the time.
I HAVE gone through the tutorials and the problems which
existed still exist. I really resent your snotty and demeaning
attitude and if anyone should "go away" it should be people like
you. I will continue to use Chief for exterior renderings and as
such I will continue to be a part of this forum. If that's
something you don't like, then why don't you start you own forum and
only allow praise for the products of your choice. That should make
you very happy even if a little ill informed.
If you read my posts, you'll find that I wasnt'trying
to "trash" Chief, I just stated what so many other users have stated
over the years about the problems in Chief that never seem to get
resolved. Before you attack someone again, I would suggest that you
actually read what they are saying and respond to that instead of
having an infantile temper tantrum.







--- In chief-users@yahoogroups.com, "rrspeer" <bob@...> wrote:
>
> I must say you have spent no time with chief, have not done the
> tutorials, are so ingrained in the way you do things that you
probably
> should just ride out your carreer with what you know, and don't
bother
> trying anything new.
> I am sorry but I get a little tired of people like you carrying on
> about how bad Chief is.
> The line weights work fine. Just different then the pencil and
paper
> approach which is auto cad.
> I do not have a problem with Chief crashing. EVER!
> You have something going on with your computer that has nothing to
do
> with Chief.
> Please go away.
> Bob Speer
> Speer Home Designs
>
> --- In chief-users@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce" <pinnhomes1995@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Line weights are a critical part of any architectural drawing
and
> > set of construction documents. The CAD side of Chief is very,
very
> > poor and delivers everything in basically the same line weight,
> > which is VERY unprofessional.
> > I am not trying to dissuade anyone from Chief, truly I'm not.
But
> > I'm also not a novice or an idiot, I've been designing homes for
a
> > quarter of a century and I KNOW what the industry upper level
> > standards are for drawings, and Chief does NOT meet those
standards
> > without hours and hours of frustrating CAD work. And, if you do
get
> > a good drawing for your construction documents, it is totally
> > disconnected from the plan generated drawing because you have to
> > change all the line weights etc to get it there. Not to mention
> > Chief crashing every fifteen minutes in CAD mode.
> > I can take a set of preliminary 2d drawings in autocad and
complete
> > the entire set with finished elevations and floor plans and roof
> > plans etc, in less than a day. To obtain the same look in
Chief,
> > I"m looking at a week or more and even then, I'm not totally
happy
> > with the results.
> > Chief runs circles around autocad in any type of 3d format, but
> > unfortunately for us, clients don't build off "pretty pictures",
> > they build off of detailed, crisp, informative drawings. Don't
> > assume that I don't know how to operate Chief, I do, I just see
the
> > limitations at present. As for floor plans (preliminary only),
> > chief is much, much faster than anything else I've ever used.
But,
> > to finish those plans up takes at least 10 times longer to
obtain
> > the same results. If you like Chief for your final drawings, I
> > think that's great and you must know something I don't know or
you
> > have a different set of criteria. Again, this post wasn't to
insult
> > those of you that love Chief (I do too for 3d renderings on
simple
> > plans), it was to state the obvious that Chief needs to fix the
bugs
> > that exist before moving on to yet another 'bug ridden" release
that
> > didn't fix the issues which plagued the previous version.
> > I would love nothing more than for Chief to knock the socks off
of
> > Autocad in all respects, but right now boys and girls, they're a
> > very long way off.
> >
> >
> > --- In chief-users@yahoogroups.com, "nhted104" <simplyplans@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Steve,
> > >
> > > I personally couldn't disagree with you more wholeheartedly!
Well,
> > > except that I will definitely agree with you concerning
> > > autoCad/autodesk (ever since they bought out Softdesk and
> > attempted
> > > to make a bteer horse with architectural desktop (disaster).
> > >
> > > Yes, Chief with indeed upgrade the plan along with the
elevations
> > > AFTER you take the camera shot and converty it to 2d at which
> > point
> > > that (those) elevations become completely disconnected from
the
> > > program as far as updates are concerned.
> > >
> > > Chief's 2d program is an ancient beast that is HORRIBLE to
work
> > with
> > > IF one is trying to produce a good set of construction
documents
> > (for
> > > the field, the building inspector, the sub-trades AND the
client).
> > > The problem is that it takes and incredible amount of time to
get
> > the
> > > elevations to a point where there is decent (as well
> > as "realistic")
> > > line definition (not all the same line weight) and having to
break
> > > and stop lines from wanting to join and become a continuous
> > polyline
> > > not to mention the HORRIBLE window erase feature that Chief
has
> > never
> > > gotten right. The "hatching" (or poche if you will) "feature"
in
> > > Chief really SUCKS! Right now I still do accomplish the
building
> > > elevations with Chief (and growl all the way through the
process -
> > > especially when Chief "decides" on it's own to change, or even
> > > eliminate things AFTER they have been saved) but full building
> > cross
> > > sections are MUCH more quickly produced using autoCad (I still
> > have
> > > and use R14) and I can show WHAT I want and the dimensioning
> > (Chief's
> > > dimensioning program is also horrible - I hate being "told"
that I
> > > really didn't want the dimensions I picked and then have
> > to "fight"
> > > to get the damn thing to move to the correct point I initially
> > > wanted) can be very easily accomplished (and "adjusted"
manually
> > even
> > > if the drawing is "off" by a fraction of an inch). Maybe some
day
> > > Chief will "learn" (at least on the CAD side of things) that
doing
> > > line weights by color is a LOT easier to work with than
> > > using "WYSIWYG" especially when trying to edit particular
lines.
> > >
> > > I won't even bother to get into the frustration of the
elctrical
> > > portion of Chief (on the CAD side of the program). It
would "nice"
> > if
> > > the symbols for many of the electrical components were NOT
> > strictly a
> > > true representation of the item. In a set of construction
> > documents
> > > (2D) the guy in the field doesn't give a fat rat's butt what
the
> > item
> > > is going to look like in 3D - he just wants to be able to see
the
> > > item on the drawing so that he can install it. In other words
> > Chief
> > > really needs to have a separate library of 2D symbols that can
be
> > > inserted into the construction documents at a scale easily
read by
> > > the guys in the field on a set of blue (or black) line prints
that
> > > have been folded, spindled, mutilated, rained on, coffee spilt
on
> > > etc..
> > >
> > > Chief is a GREAT residential three dimensional program that
can
> > > produce extremely wonderful "pictures" of a design and that is
> > where
> > > it stops! Sorry for the arnt but Chief is definitely LIMITED
and
> > they
> > > really need to recognize that they are very quickly pricing
> > > themselves out of the market - especially when they seemingly
> > refuse
> > > to listen to the voices of the people that use the program and
are
> > > the ones that find the bugs!
> > >
> > > Ted Crombie, CPBD
> > > New Hampshire
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In chief-users@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Callaway" <avds@>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What about when the client changes his mind?
> > > > Drawing elevations in autocad means that you have to go and
> > change
> > > > the plan and the elevations. In Chief you change the plan
then
> > > update the elevation to the layout.
> > > > A lot less painful!
> > > > Personally I refuse to deal with autodesk even after using
> > autocad
> > > for 20 years.
> > > > I like the product (within limitations) but loathe the
company.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Steve
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Bruce
> > > > To: chief-users@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:14 AM
> > > > Subject: [chief-users] Re: Fix the bugs first
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Andy,
> > > >
> > > > I use an old version of Autocad, but I'm going to upgrade
to
> > the
> > > > newer one. I find that 3d is not very time effective,
> > especially
> > > > when you have go in and "fix" the issues that consume
chief.
> > > >
> > > > I can do a magnificent set of elevations in 2d which
excite my
> > > > clientele in a couple of hours, and to do the same thing
in 3d
> > in
> > > > chief would take days and days and still not look as
crisp.
> > Hope
> > > > that helps.
> > > >
> > > > --- In chief-users@yahoogroups.com, Andy&MaryAnn Robertson
> > > > <a.robertson7@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Bruce,
> > > > > I am always curious. What is the other CAD you use? I do
> > > > renovations and
> > > > > find Chief 10 not particularly helpful when doing as
build
> > on a
> > > > 100 year
> > > > > old house with three additions, dormers on dormers and
other
> > > > > non-standard construction. Always looking for an
alternative
> > > > > - Andy R
> > > > >
> > > > > Bruce wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is the first I've heard about x2, I have x1 and
don't
> > > use
> > > > it much
> > > > > > anymore. I use another CAD system which is much
quicker
> > for
> > > me.
> > > > > > As for x2, it seems to me that they should have fixed
the
> > > bugs
> > > > that
> > > > > > have plagued Chief for years before trying to roll out
> > > another
> > > > version.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stairs need to be editable and show rails in plan view
for
> > > one,
> > > > the
> > > > > > cad tools need to be more user-friendly and not make
the
> > > system
> > > > crash;
> > > > > > and different wall types need to be able to join at
the
> > > corners
> > > > > > without making some arbitrary "45 degree" joint.
Lunacy
> and
> > > > > > unprofessional. I still use 10 on occasion to do
> > renderings
> > > if
> > > > the
> > > > > > house isn't too complex and trim-laden, so I haven't
> > really
> > > > looked at
> > > > > > x1 much. I hate the buttons and their appearance in
x1,
> > they
> > > were
> > > > > > cartoonish in 10, but x1 is ridiculous. That said,
I've
> > had
> > > very
> > > > good
> > > > > > luck with Chief support being friendly (except for one
> > > person),
> > > > and
> > > > > > they have always tried to fix the issues. But for that
> > much
> > > > money,
> > > > > > there shouldn't BE that many issues.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > __._,
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > >
> >
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