Ive been a chief97 user for the last six months only. I love it because
>I use it to its best advantages. That is: As a marketing tool, a quick
>and accurate illustrative marketing tool. I am a saleman, with a
>building and finance backgound, not a draftsman. I sell the concept, the
>features and benefits. Not what the local building authority wants at
>the end of the day. 'Sell the sizzle, not the sausage'. And Chief does
>just that! However, as I am 'Down Under' there are some areas that I
>could call a wish list.
>
>1. Add WC ILO Bath (water closet)
>2. Add ensuite option ILO master bathroom
>3. Option: All wet areas automaticaly have tile floors
>4. Option: All bedrooms automaticaly have carpet floors
>5. Materials: Add Polished wooden floors
>6. Australia: We need curved porch roof extensions. 'Bullnose'
>7. Rotation: To be able to select a plan drawing & rotate 90d
>8. Rotation gives more freedom when creating sales flyers
>9. Garage Floors: Auto level at 50 mm below house flooring @ 100 mm
>10. Dimentions: Include total area of home incl. garage & porches
>11. Curved stairs a must
>12. Files: To be able to export views in HPGL for graphic work
>13. 3D Rendering - Needs much improvement
>14. Material colour range. Colours are to heavy, need pastel colours
>15. Trees and Scrubs. Limited to North America only. Check out what
>Autocad are coming up with. Their softeware landscaper spent a few
>years in Australia and I beleive their is a new version about to be
>released including southern hemisphere including tropical material,
>which is what I need.
>
>Thats a good start, hey buddies! Some guys have been talking about chief
>crashing? NEVER! If it does, Its my fault. I currently use a P90 with 32
>RAM on a 3.2 HDD. A 17" high res. monitor @ 1024 X 768, bloody beauty
>mates!
>
>PS: I think I will send this email direct to the Chief as well, who
>knows? one day!
>
> Erik. Noosa Beach, Queensland Australia

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Just replying to this message will post them on the main group and may get in
the way. I think that the polling option will be a far better and way easier way
to do this. When anybody comes up with a Major item, start a poll, and then
after a few months, send it to art. If there are a bunch of little items, you
could easily do a poll that will have a multiple choice type listing and just
list 8 of them. Anybody that thinks that a feature would be significantly
usefull (not just sitting there) could check the box and the rusults would be
added up.
>
> The polling thing did not work for me for a couple days, but then it just
started....used to give me a blank screen, now works fine.
>
> I think that open polls would be better for use sice we can all see what we
think without ending a poll.
>
>
>
>
> I have long considered our (the Chief users') input to be vital for the
development of Chief Architect.  For that same amount of time I have felt
frustrated by our inability to know what information gets through to the people
at ART.
> >
> > Because I do, however, believe that ART cares about what we think and is
interested to know what changes we would like to see in the product, I will
gladly -- assuming it's acceptable to the rest of you -- take it upon myself to
consolidate "wish list" postings and send the info on to ART.
> >
> > Just post your wish list items as RESPONSES to this message and I will check
back each day to see what's come in.  I'll have to use my own judgment as to how
often to send a letter to ART, as the decision will be volume-driven.
> >
> > I don't think it's necessary to categorize your suggestions as to how
important they are -- this, too, will be volume-driven.  In other words, if only
one person requests something, it will be self-evident to ART that such a
feature is less critical than if fifty people all request the same thing.
> >
> > Let's just start and see how things progress; we can fine-tune the process
only once we've gotten under way.
> >
> > While it's true that many of our suggestions might be moot in that they may
already be included in the next release, I see no harm in moving forward, so
send in all your comments about features you would like to see refined and
improved, or new features which you would like to see added.
> >
> > For starters, three items which I consider important:
> >
> > 1.  The 3-D symbol development kit, or at least a way to bring into Chief
3-D objects which we have created in a standard 3D format in some other CAD
program.  I am expecting that this will be included in the new release, but
let's let them hear about it from us until we actually have it.
> >
> > 2.  The ability assign soffits to layers, so that soffits used for different
purposes can be independently displayed or hidden.
> >
> > 3.  The ability to define not just line types, but also fill types, by
layer.
> >
> > 4.  Base cabinets which can have full-height full-overlay doors, so that the
space which always shows on Chief cabinets between the door top and the
countertop doesn't need to be there.  Clients always want to know what that
extra space is.  The same goes for wall cabinets.
> >
> > 5.  Photorealistic rendering capability.  When a $49.00 program like IMSI's
"FloorPlan" offers Lightscape rendering, we deserve something better than
"Shader View".  Since Chief was conceived of as a presentation package, this
feature is entirely consistent with ART's mission.
> >
> > 6.  The ability to designate areas of a plan, with a selection box, to be
deleted -- so that all items, including walls, can be eliminated.
> >
> > 7.  The ability to designate, using a selection box, an area of a plan (or
3D view) for printing.  Selecting "current screen" often results in printing
much more than you actually want to print.
> >
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In a message dated 9/27/98 4:36:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
glennww@... writes:

<< Does anyone else know if there is anywhere to change the default room text
  height, other than this link to dimension text height? >>

  I've tried a bunch of stuff (including looking at the ini file) with out any
luck. Looks like one for the wish list.

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In a message dated 9/27/98 3:45:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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<< I will gladly -- assuming it's acceptable to the rest of you -- take it
upon myself to consolidate "wish list" postings and send the info on to ART.
>>

Sounds fine to me - why not post a poll at the e-group and see what everyone
else thinks? Polls may be a nice way to gauge user interest in features.

	 If you are taking an inventory;
	 I'd love to have a "smart" line to use as a break line when doing a partial
plan. Cad lines don't close the room(s) so I currently use a 1" wall. Less
than ideal. A proper break line that could close a room would be very useful
to me.
	 POV-Ray is less than ideal - better rendering would be nice.
	 Winder and spiral stairs (and banisters) would be very, very nice.
	 The ability to "clip" section cuts to eliminate floor/clng lines in the
background. I like my sections cut exactly at the plane of the cut (although
sometimes I dogleg the cut). I would believe you if you told me this was
possible, but I am not able to figure out how.

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In a message dated 9/27/98 2:35:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Wayson@...
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<< The hurry is obvious...>>

Point taken. Still, if they're through Alpha I doubt an unsolicited poll from
a "desponsored" user group will cause the addition of many features.

<<  .... keeping Chieftalk or any other current users abreast of everything
being
  tested would be unfair since many of the features being tested are never put
in
  the final release ... >>

Right again. Probably have to get on the Beta list to find out. Any
suggestions how I might go about that?

Matt

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please sing me up.
p wright
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Thanks for the reply Caleb.
But that's not where it is.
I did a bit of playing and found that the room text height seems to be
always 1.5 times the dimension text height (I could not find this documented
anywhere).
Does anyone else know if there is anywhere to change the default room text
height, other than this link to dimension text height?


Glenn Woodward
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>I think you can do this in the options>Defaults>fonts set up dialauge. I
have also noticed that if I set a smaller text hight for closets, the rest
of the clostes are sometimes set accordingly. This isn't constistent
however.
>
>The color and line weight for text and their arrows are under the
appropriate layers.
>
>Caleb
>
>
>>Does anybody know how to change the default text height used for room
names that are inserted after defining a room.



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I think you can do this in the options>Defaults>fonts set up dialauge. I have
also noticed that if I set a smaller text hight for closets, the rest of the
clostes are sometimes set accordingly. This isn't constistent however.

The color and line weight for text and their arrows are under the appropriate
layers.

Caleb


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are inserted after defining a room.
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Just replying to this message will post them on the main group and may get in
the way. I think that the polling option will be a far better and way easier way
to do this. When anybody comes up with a Major item, start a poll, and then
after a few months, send it to art. If there are a bunch of little items, you
could easily do a poll that will have a multiple choice type listing and just
list 8 of them. Anybody that thinks that a feature would be significantly
usefull (not just sitting there) could check the box and the rusults would be
added up.

The polling thing did not work for me for a couple days, but then it just
started....used to give me a blank screen, now works fine.

I think that open polls would be better for use sice we can all see what we
think without ending a poll.




I have long considered our (the Chief users') input to be vital for the
development of Chief Architect.  For that same amount of time I have felt
frustrated by our inability to know what information gets through to the people
at ART.
>
> Because I do, however, believe that ART cares about what we think and is
interested to know what changes we would like to see in the product, I will
gladly -- assuming it's acceptable to the rest of you -- take it upon myself to
consolidate "wish list" postings and send the info on to ART.
>
> Just post your wish list items as RESPONSES to this message and I will check
back each day to see what's come in.  I'll have to use my own judgment as to how
often to send a letter to ART, as the decision will be volume-driven.
>
> I don't think it's necessary to categorize your suggestions as to how
important they are -- this, too, will be volume-driven.  In other words, if only
one person requests something, it will be self-evident to ART that such a
feature is less critical than if fifty people all request the same thing.
>
> Let's just start and see how things progress; we can fine-tune the process
only once we've gotten under way.
>
> While it's true that many of our suggestions might be moot in that they may
already be included in the next release, I see no harm in moving forward, so
send in all your comments about features you would like to see refined and
improved, or new features which you would like to see added.
>
> For starters, three items which I consider important:
>
> 1.  The 3-D symbol development kit, or at least a way to bring into Chief 3-D
objects which we have created in a standard 3D format in some other CAD program.
I am expecting that this will be included in the new release, but let's let them
hear about it from us until we actually have it.
>
> 2.  The ability assign soffits to layers, so that soffits used for different
purposes can be independently displayed or hidden.
>
> 3.  The ability to define not just line types, but also fill types, by layer.
>
> 4.  Base cabinets which can have full-height full-overlay doors, so that the
space which always shows on Chief cabinets between the door top and the
countertop doesn't need to be there.  Clients always want to know what that
extra space is.  The same goes for wall cabinets.
>
> 5.  Photorealistic rendering capability.  When a $49.00 program like IMSI's
"FloorPlan" offers Lightscape rendering, we deserve something better than
"Shader View".  Since Chief was conceived of as a presentation package, this
feature is entirely consistent with ART's mission.
>
> 6.  The ability to designate areas of a plan, with a selection box, to be
deleted -- so that all items, including walls, can be eliminated.
>
> 7.  The ability to designate, using a selection box, an area of a plan (or 3D
view) for printing.  Selecting "current screen" often results in printing much
more than you actually want to print.
>
> Jay A. Palmer
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Does anybody know how to change the default text height used for room names that
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I have long considered our (the Chief users') input to be vital for the
development of Chief Architect.  For that same amount of time I have felt
frustrated by our inability to know what information gets through to the people
at ART.

Because I do, however, believe that ART cares about what we think and is
interested to know what changes we would like to see in the product, I will
gladly -- assuming it's acceptable to the rest of you -- take it upon myself to
consolidate "wish list" postings and send the info on to ART.

Just post your wish list items as RESPONSES to this message and I will check
back each day to see what's come in.  I'll have to use my own judgment as to how
often to send a letter to ART, as the decision will be volume-driven.

I don't think it's necessary to categorize your suggestions as to how important
they are -- this, too, will be volume-driven.  In other words, if only one
person requests something, it will be self-evident to ART that such a feature is
less critical than if fifty people all request the same thing.

Let's just start and see how things progress; we can fine-tune the process only
once we've gotten under way.

While it's true that many of our suggestions might be moot in that they may
already be included in the next release, I see no harm in moving forward, so
send in all your comments about features you would like to see refined and
improved, or new features which you would like to see added.

For starters, three items which I consider important:

1.  The 3-D symbol development kit, or at least a way to bring into Chief 3-D
objects which we have created in a standard 3D format in some other CAD program.
I am expecting that this will be included in the new release, but let's let them
hear about it from us until we actually have it.

2.  The ability assign soffits to layers, so that soffits used for different
purposes can be independently displayed or hidden.

3.  The ability to define not just line types, but also fill types, by layer.

4.  Base cabinets which can have full-height full-overlay doors, so that the
space which always shows on Chief cabinets between the door top and the
countertop doesn't need to be there.  Clients always want to know what that
extra space is.  The same goes for wall cabinets.

5.  Photorealistic rendering capability.  When a $49.00 program like IMSI's
"FloorPlan" offers Lightscape rendering, we deserve something better than
"Shader View".  Since Chief was conceived of as a presentation package, this
feature is entirely consistent with ART's mission.

6.  The ability to designate areas of a plan, with a selection box, to be
deleted -- so that all items, including walls, can be eliminated.

7.  The ability to designate, using a selection box, an area of a plan (or 3D
view) for printing.  Selecting "current screen" often results in printing much
more than you actually want to print.

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Hi Bill!

Great looking setup you have here - I think this
will be a fine alternative to the mailing list.
Thank you for the invitation!

By the way, the poll feature didn't work for me.
(I was just sent to a blank page). Perhaps it's my
proxy or something, I don't know. If it takes off,
then I'll have to do some research on how to get
it going so that I can make my 2c heard! Thinking
about it from ART's perspective (and as a software
developer myself) the poll feature is a potential
goldmine!

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Matt,

I will try and send poll results to art, and I have told Allan Frey about
where to get them himself if he want's to watch them. When I see one that's
ready to send, I will try and do so....

Caleb

> Hey Bill:
>
>  I'm with Caleb - this could be pretty neat.
>
>  Is anyone going to compile poll results and forward them to ART? Or is this
> just more wish list stuff?
>
>  Either way, it looks like a neat forum.
>
>  Thanks
>
>  Matt
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The hurry is obvious...case in point...look how long it took to get Chief 98 off
the ground.  Item 2, I have been a Chief Beta tester for ART for a couple of
years
now and keeping Chieftalk or any other current users abreast of everything being
tested would be unfair since many of the features being tested are never put in
the final release and hence could cause great disappointment to to those
following
the testing process.

MKDesignCo@... wrote:

> In a message dated 9/27/98 7:57:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Wayson@...
> writes:
>
> > Pretty neato for sure....but better make it quick...rumor has the next
> > release has lot's of stuff being
> >  worked on now.
>
> What's the hurry? I'm sure that anything that gets missed this release can be
> added in the future. I just wonder why ART seem so rigid about the suggestions
> site as being the only place for wish list items. I really think informed
> dialogue among experienced professionals with a significant investment in CA's
> continued success would be a valuable tool for determining the programs soft
> spots (not bugs, but capabilities).
>
> I see MS (and others) are going to Beta groups the size of developing third
> world nations in their attempt to get real world input. And here we are,
> offering it to ART for free.
>
> As news of the CA Beta develops I would love to stay posted. I am sure many of
> us would be willing to be Beta testers and it's obvious this is a fairly
> committed group. Hopefully they'll keep us in mind.
>
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In a message dated 9/27/98 11:44:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
bbbuild@... writes:

> The 3D Home Arch. product being the basis for my doubts.

Norm:

3D home is kind of annoying. But they sure did strip a lot of function and
ease of use out of it. And it doesn't print full size. And (I think) it can't
export *.dxf. All in all, I got comfortable with it. I just wish I had better
luck importing 3D home .pl1 files into CA. I suppose when they stripped the
export some of the 3-D code must have changed.... or something?

Has anyone developed a technique (succesful, easy, quick) for developing
client originated #D Home floor plans using CA97?

Matt

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In a message dated 9/27/98 9:49:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cstanly@...
writes:

> I am a little confused about the password for joining ecom.

Carey:

It did work, it is confusing! I got a validation # (NOT a password). Somewhere
in there it asked for that #, THEN allowed me to assign a password (of my own
choosing). Did some weird stuff first though.

Keep trying, it does work and does look to be better than ChiefTalk v.1.

Matt

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In a message dated 9/27/98 7:57:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Wayson@...
writes:

> Pretty neato for sure....but better make it quick...rumor has the next
> release has lot's of stuff being
>  worked on now.

What's the hurry? I'm sure that anything that gets missed this release can be
added in the future. I just wonder why ART seem so rigid about the suggestions
site as being the only place for wish list items. I really think informed
dialogue among experienced professionals with a significant investment in CA's
continued success would be a valuable tool for determining the programs soft
spots (not bugs, but capabilities).

I see MS (and others) are going to Beta groups the size of developing third
world nations in their attempt to get real world input. And here we are,
offering it to ART for free.

As news of the CA Beta develops I would love to stay posted. I am sure many of
us would be willing to be Beta testers and it's obvious this is a fairly
committed group. Hopefully they'll keep us in mind.

Matt

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Happy you are moderating Bill. Good luck with this. You may want to continue
this forum even after Chieftalk returns(if ever). For some reason I was
recieving 2 copies of all the messages Chieftalk-1). Don't know why. I
personally have a problem with "ART" and think their program is too buggy and
has some big draw backs. Feel I am being conned into paying for a name. The 3D
Home Arch. product being the basis for my doubts.
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Bill,
Thanks for working this forum out. This might be better than chieftalk.
I am a little confused about the password for joining ecom. I never
could get one but did receive a message that I had been added to the
group. I assume this works just as regular e-mail. If this goes to the
group it must work.
Thanks again,
Carey

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Pretty neato for sure....but better make it quick...rumor has the next release
has lot's of stuff being
worked on now.

Matt Kennedy wrote:

> Hey Bill:
>
> I'm with Caleb - this could be pretty neat.
>
> Is anyone going to compile poll results and forward them to ART? Or is this
just more wish list stuff?
>
> Either way, it looks like a neat forum.
>
> Thanks
>
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> I like the polling option, but is it possible to post a file for viewing by
any interstied persons?

I guess you could post the location of a file located on an ftp or web site... 
I haven't tried sending a file with an attachment yet.


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Hey Bill:
>
> I'm with Caleb - this could be pretty neat.
>
> Is anyone going to compile poll results and forward them to ART? Or is this
just more wish list stuff?

I believe the poll results are compiled automatically.  When the poll is over we
can send it to ART's suggestion box.


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I agree...  I didn't spend much time thinking about that poll - mostly I was
just trying to figure out how it works.  Maybe someone will come up with a
standard list of answers for 'wish-list' polls.

>PROBLEM>>>>
> There is no option for what I would think is
>the most likely response in this poll and that >is those who think the feture
is nice to have, >but not altogether high priority. They don't >defenitly want
ART to concentrate on it and >leave out other things, but it might be nice to
>have, you know?



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Hey Bill:

I'm with Caleb - this could be pretty neat.

Is anyone going to compile poll results and forward them to ART? Or is this just
more wish list stuff?

Either way, it looks like a neat forum.

Thanks

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I can't get into the polling site. I click on the link and it locks up my
connection. I have tryed to post a poll and do several other things with no
success.

Caleb


Is 3D-Framing an important feature for a future version of Chief Architect?
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>    o Yes, after other problems are fixed
>    o No, not at all
>    o Don't Care
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What would you think about ART incorporating a way to draw true 3-D tearains
into our models. I am thinking of being able to label a variety of point grades
from shots taken onthe site, and have the program model it, or drawing contouer
lines and giving them a hight. What would be the best way for you if you think
you would use this feature?
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Please select one or more of the following:

    o Point Grades
    o Coutours
    o Both
    o Yes, Great Feature, high priority
    o Yes, Good idea, limited use
    o Maybe, might use it if avalible
    o No, don't think I'd use it
    o Do not care/know.


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PROBLEM>>>>
There is no option for what I would think is the most likely response in this
poll and that is those who think the feture is nice to have, but not altogether
high priority. They don't defenitly want ART to concentrate on it and leave out
other things, but it might be nice to have, you know?

Caleb



Is 3D-Framing an important feature for a future version of Chief Architect?
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> Please select one of the following:
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>    o Yes, definitely
>    o Yes, after other problems are fixed
>    o No, not at all
>    o Don't Care
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>
>    http://www.egroups.com/vote?id=906841248463
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Congrajulations Bill. This may be a better option than Chieftalk anyways.

I like the polling option, but is it possible to post a file for viewing by any
interstied persons?

Caleb

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Hello Chief Architect users and former Chieftalk junkies!

The last time I checked, Chieftalk - the official Chief Architect mailing list -
had been shut down temporarily.  I intend this list to be used for the same
purpose as Chieftalk was - to help each other learn more about Chief Architect. 
I don't plan on making a lot of rules, and hopefully I won't have to.  I'll post
a basic FAQ later.

Check out the Polls feature - I think this will be especially useful since we're
always arguing over wish lists and other issues.

'Folders' can be used to post links to Chief Architect related web sites.

If you have questions, please feel free to contact me at wdblake@... or
visit
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Is 3D-Framing an important feature for a future version of Chief Architect?

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Please select one of the following:

    o Yes, definitely
    o Yes, after other problems are fixed
    o No, not at all
    o Don't Care


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