kauzuak1,,,, Well I cant see your name or location but I am Glad my
old post helped you get more excited about classic scopes and put
some of it into perspective. With more time and scopes under my belt
than I had when writing the post I would make the comment that among
the japan made 1960s refractors some of the best I have seen in the
60mm thur 76mm range are the Mayflower scopes they are nicely built
and the 3 I have worked on have had flawless optics. They seem to be
a good vaule for a first scope to look for a deal on one. I found a
76mm for $80 on craigs list and it has great optics and is one of my
favorite scopes to setup for a quiky!!!!! Clint Caveman Whitman
Thanks and have more fun than you should!!!!


--- In classictelescopes@yahoogroups.com, "kauzuak1" <kauzuak1@...>
wrote:
>
> this is a great post, it puts into perspective the desire and
appeal
> of classics scopes. While it saved me from bidding up on a classic
> scope on Ebay for now, in the end it did reinforced my desire for
> some classic glass.
>
>
> --- In classictelescopes@yahoogroups.com, "Clint whitman" <clint@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Well it been busy here with work and all. Finally got the San &
> > Streiffe 76 mm Carton Optical Company 1965 Refractor that I
> > purchased on E-bay! The kicker was the scope was listed the first
> > time and I was out bid. The bid went all the way to $203 plus $55
> > shipping so it was way beyond what I would spend in its
condition,
> > but I was looking on E-bay the next day and the scope re-listed.
I
> e-
> > mail the guy and asked why he didn't take the next lowest bid
since
> > the buyer backed out he said he didn't know he could and he would
> > just let it ride, my bid on the first action was $145. Well he re-
> > listed on Monday morning 9 am Pacific Time so I just watched and
no
> > one saw the re-list. The morning of the end of action the scope
was
> > at $45 everyone including me was at work and 15 seconds before
the
> > end I put $75 and the one other guy watching it only had time to
> try
> > $50 so I won the scope for $52 plus shipping of $55. All the
parts
> > are there and most are in new condition the tube has a dent but
> > every thing else was in great shape. On the first night the scope
> > produced allot of flaring. Playing around with it I figured out
> that
> > both lenses were in backwards so after a good cleaning and flip
now
> > the star tests are good and I can make out the Cassini divisions
in
> > Saturn's rings from Van Nuys CA. Which I would assume is good,
nice
> > clear stars and black back ground. So I am in the midst of
> > restoration I did the main cell and the focuser in order to
> > determine if the scope was a keeper prior to a complete
> restoration.
> > I started a photo directory for it and will be posting to it.
Well
> > one thing I do want to mention is this. The only other scope I
have
> > of the size is a Williams Optics 80mm Fl. Anniversary you know
the
> > little red dude you see around. I think it is an F7 where the
> Carton
> > is a F15. In a side by side test of the Optics the WO scope blows
> > the socks off the Classic Carton refractor, both using 11/4 inch
> > eyepieces. The WO also costs I think around $700 to $800 for the
WO
> > and is a 2" eyepiece scope. The view thru the WO is hard to beat
> for
> > its size and set up on a vixen alt az mount it is a dream to use
> > compared to the good old Tasco. Now I am only pointing this out
for
> > one reason, that if you are just getting into astronomy please
get
> a
> > large aperture scope or spend a lot of money on a small high
> quality
> > refractor and a really good eyepiece in order to get blown away
by
> > the sky before you get into the Really cool old classic scopes
like
> > a 60mm or 76 or 80mm Towa, GOTO, Carton There is a reason so
many
> > of these are sitting in peoples closets, They do not hold a
candle
> > to a scope like a 10" SCT or a big reflector. I think if I didn't
> my
> > socks blown off by M13 and my Tak 130 F or the Cave I wouldn't
> still
> > be so stoked to go rebuild, tweak and peek this 45 year old
> Japanese
> > scope or the 1960 4" Unitron that's coming. These should be
viewed
> > just like classic cars. 2007 Honda = WO 80mm FL. 1966 Camaro =
1965
> > Cave 12.5 F8. 1966 six cylinder mustang = Carton 76mm. And the
1965
> > Austin Martin would be the 5" Ziess Please comment on this
Thats
> > what the group is for,,,, Clint
> >
>