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Re: [climatechangedebate] Re: "Government Auditors" for homes not debunked, removed by saner minds


New houses were part of the bill, but were old houses, as claimed by Al? This
seems to suggest that sellers of old houses wouldn't be forced to retrofit
before selling.

Bob
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From: "ardoucette" <adoucette@...>
>
> Don't try to rewrite history Bob.
> The issue was NOT debunked.
> It WAS part of the bill, at the time of the discussion.
> Arthur
>
>
> --- In climatechangedebate@yahoogroups.com, bobmagi@... wrote:
> >
> >
> > Regards our recent discussion:
> >
> > Home Energy Audits Optional in Cap-and-Trade Bill
> > By JON PRIOR
> > June 30, 2009 8:56 PM CST
> > Advertisements
> > A section in HR 2454, the American Clean Energy and Security Act, which
> narrowly passed a US House of Representatives vote Friday, falls short of
> mandating an energy audit on homes, according to the House Committee on Energy
> and Commerce.
> >
> > Section 204 of the cap-and-trade bill establishes a building energy
> performance labeling program for homes and commercial property. The section
> would provide potential buyers and investors in those properties a label
> explaining that property’s energy efficiency.
> >
> > Much like a nutrition label on the back of a candy bar, the performance
> labeling program is a consumer right-to-know provision in the cap-and-trade
> bill, but it is not required, according to the House Committee on Energy and
> Commerce.
> >
> > Section 202 of the bill develops the Retrofit for Energy and Environmental
> Performance (REEP) program. If the owner of the building â€" residential or
> commercial â€" seeks financial assistance from REEP, the property must pass
the
> energy audit.
> >
> > Energy savings for residential properties are determined by the Home Energy
> Ratings System (HERS) Index, and the final score is selected by an objective
> third party, according to the bill.
> >
> > After the audit is conducted, state and local REEP programs may grant funds
to
> owners for retrofit improvements on energy efficiency.
> >
>
http://www.housingwire.com/2009/06/30/home-energy-audits-optional-in-cap-and-tra
> de-bill/
> >
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Carlin's were supposed to be official comments on a federal rulemaking, by a federal office with expert knowledge on the subject at issue, so they should have...
David Wojick
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Jul 5, 2009
7:33 pm

David, Carlin wasn't an expert, was just parroting Pat Michaels, etc: "Meanwhile the same Fox News report makes clear what we had already suspected: Carlin...
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Jul 5, 2009
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Bob, I wonder if Hansen might be doing his thing on NASA time, but under his own initiative? Carlin made no claim that he was an expert in climate science. He...
Bruce Richardson
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Jul 5, 2009
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But Bruce, that's entirely different. Hansen's on the proper side. <g> Peter ... -- IMPORTANT - PLEASE NOTE The information transmitted is intended only for...
P.M. Pollock
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Jul 5, 2009
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Regards our recent discussion: Home Energy Audits Optional in Cap-and-Trade Bill By JON PRIOR June 30, 2009 8:56 PM CST Advertisements A section in HR 2454,...
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bobmaginnis
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Jul 5, 2009
10:04 pm

Don't try to rewrite history Bob. The issue was NOT debunked. It WAS part of the bill, at the time of the discussion. Arthur...
ardoucette
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Jul 5, 2009
10:09 pm

New houses were part of the bill, but were old houses, as claimed by Al? This seems to suggest that sellers of old houses wouldn't be forced to retrofit...
bobmagi@...
bobmaginnis
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Jul 5, 2009
10:54 pm

Not Al, SEPP. And it might very well have been in the bill at the time SEPP wrote that. The Bill changed so often who could keep up with it as it was rushed...
ardoucette
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Jul 6, 2009
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Arthur, Al wrote: "AND, if the house doesn't "pass inspection" then it will ... after SEPP quoted: ‘all houses have to pass an energy ... I aqree that the...
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Jul 6, 2009
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The House is famous for this sort of recklessness, but it is hardly mob rule. They typically rush from one issue to another, in part because there are so many...
David E. Wojick
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Jul 6, 2009
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David, Your faith in a Government that is run by "liars, thieves, inside traders, traitors, drunks (one who killed a staffer, yet is still revered), criminals,...
Pierre Legrand
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Jul 7, 2009
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Bob, you might want to read my later post on this because Carlin's expertise is not the issue. But he does have a degree in physics and is probably an expert...
David Wojick
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Jul 5, 2009
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Bob, "David, Carlin wasn't an expert, was just parroting Pat Michaels, etc:" People in the EPA are not climate expert neither, so why are they messing with a...
Eduardo Ferreyra
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Jul 5, 2009
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DAvid, Bob, "One does not have to be a climate scientist to recognize the scientific debate, which EPA is ignoring. You and I are both experts on it, for that...
Eduardo Ferreyra
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Jul 5, 2009
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New incandenscent bulb are in the market: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/06/business/energy-environment/06bulbs.html?_r=1&th&emc=th Let's see in a couple of...
Eduardo Ferreyra
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Jul 6, 2009
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Yes, but these innovations have been in the pipeline for years and were NOT due to this new Govt Mandate as the article suggests. Arthur...
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Jul 6, 2009
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05 July 2009 Singer Resigns from Environmental Geology Board "When I recently reported on the new piece of Chilingar and friends in Environmental Geology, I...
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