Calvin, I am sorry you find this topic dull. Perhaps you are out of place here. Especially if you think government numbers are true just because they are...
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Bryce Johnson
brycenuc@...
May 25, 2013 2:29 am
David: I'd like to put in a good word for Calvin. He is an excellent physicist and he has pointed the way to solutions of problems for me that I was having...
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David Wojick
dewojick
May 25, 2013 11:18 am
Bryce, The problem seems to be that Calvin seems to think that simple physics calcs can resolve the climate debate. But the debate is not generally about...
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Bryce Johnson
brycenuc@...
May 25, 2013 2:09 pm
David: Logic, uncertainty, speculation versus fact, questionable data, assumptions, etc. have a role to play in the debate, but if the physics of the warmers...
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Bryce Johnson
brycenuc@...
May 25, 2013 3:07 pm
It's a sad day for science and sanity when Jerry Brown announces "in five years it's all over.," meaning we will have reached the fictional "tipping point"...
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liquidpaper4
May 25, 2013 3:21 pm
Einstein said that among the most difficult problems in all of physics is the earth's magnetic field. In my view the earth magnetic field is actually the most...
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Albert Masetti
almasetti@...
May 25, 2013 3:27 pm
[how many "tipping points" have we already driven past?] - Al...
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David Wojick
dewojick
May 25, 2013 3:31 pm
Bryce, I do not know what you mean by "don't hold up"? The warmers are using well established physical laws. I suspect if we figure out what you mean it will ...
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liquidpaper4
May 25, 2013 4:14 pm
The so called skeptics say things too. I say on clouds the largest storm observed in north America Wilma had at its peak intensity with a surface low under...
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C. Bruce Richardson Jr.
cbrjr@...
May 25, 2013 4:29 pm
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-175 Century-Old Science Helps Confirm Global Warming Drawing of the HMS Challenger survey vessel preparing...
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Bryce Johnson
brycenuc@...
May 25, 2013 6:01 pm
David: I don't use GCMs and I doubt that the CAGWers use a carbon balance method. I don't regard these as the same physics. Bryce...
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C. Bruce Richardson Jr.
cbrjr@...
May 25, 2013 6:17 pm
Bryce, I have never had the impression that Brown was anything more than a "promise them the stars and throw in the moon" type politician. He always seemed a...
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Robert Maginnis
bobmagi@att.net
May 25, 2013 6:29 pm
Bruce,  Most scientists estimate 2 or 3 C. for a CO2 doubling, so Brown is likely to believe them. Meanwhile, he gets hammered from both sides:  On the...
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Robert Maginnis
bobmagi@att.net
May 25, 2013 6:52 pm
David,  Using more energy doesn't mean a better life, using more 'energy services' means a better life.  "....But rather than follow the conventional...
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David Wojick
dewojick
May 25, 2013 7:00 pm
There is only one physics Bryce. You two are not using different versions of the same laws, just different approaches. Perhaps you need a different word....
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Robert Maginnis
bobmagi@att.net
May 25, 2013 7:27 pm
Distinctive climate signals in reanalysis of global ocean heat content Abstract [1] The elusive nature of the post-2004 upper ocean warming has...
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Bryce Johnson
brycenuc@...
May 25, 2013 7:53 pm
David: The "carbon-balance" method is not my name for it, but it is is the name that one Argonne Lab retiree gave it. It is what is described is my tome. The...
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Robert Maginnis
bobmagi@att.net
May 25, 2013 7:58 pm
 Ed,  Hopefully your dishwater doesn't end up in a slow river or lake.  You say: "Soon the EPA regulations on the temperature of the water a...
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Ian L. McQueen
imcqueen@...
May 25, 2013 8:03 pm
This verges on being OT, but..... Bob wrote: "we don't have water to waste". Say that today in eastern Canada (and maybe USA) and you are sure of a laugh if...
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Robert Maginnis
bobmagi@att.net
May 25, 2013 8:09 pm
 Hansen talks of carbon fee: " I would distribute it as an equal amount to every legal resident of the country."  I want a fee too, but used for...
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Albert Masetti
almasetti@...
May 25, 2013 8:18 pm
up along the Red and Missouri Rivers they had major floods, as well. in NJ, major droughts every ten years; could set your clock by them. The rest of the...
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Bryce Johnson
brycenuc@...
May 25, 2013 8:30 pm
Bob: Even the wildest of CAGW predictors don't get 2 degrees celsius for 450 ppm. 350 ppm from where we are today, would drop the temperature. Not by much...
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Robert Maginnis
bobmagi@att.net
May 25, 2013 8:33 pm
Ian, Â You might have included the previous phrase:Â "... because for most of our country, we don't have water to waste,..." Â Â ...
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Robert Maginnis
bobmagi@att.net
May 25, 2013 9:30 pm
Bryce,  Apparently they do. Why don't you ask Hansen at the list you both read? Ask him about your MODTRAN conclusion.  If you separate that out from...
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Ian L. McQueen
imcqueen@...
May 25, 2013 9:57 pm
Bob- I know that what you wrote was true. I was just looking for some sympathy for our excess of water..... We would quite happily share our bounty if there...
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Bruce Richardson
cbrtxus
May 25, 2013 10:19 pm
Bob, it’s OK if he wants to believe the 2°C or 3°C. for a doubling of atmospheric CO2. I seriously doubt that most scientists believe that it is 2°C or...
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Ian L. McQueen
imcqueen@...
May 25, 2013 10:27 pm
But, but, but.....Bruce, 400 is such a big, scary, number!! Anything higher than that is even more scary!! That's all that the public needs to know. The...
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Ed Bradford
egbegb...
May 25, 2013 11:40 pm
I have seen so many "abstracts" whose content is hidden behind pay walls that I, for one, request either people post links to complete articles or just...
Bob: I already asked him when we were both members of the IFRG group why his numbers differed from mine and he, of course, declined to answer. Bryce ... Bob: I...
