I have been following the horse manure debate with interest.
Horse manure has an advantage over cow or sheep manure
bacause it contains much fibre and therefore is always aerated
instead of forming a thick anaerobic paste.
I have no doubt that it is a physically and nutritionally excellent
medium. Incidentally, the nutritional composition of manure of
different animals is remarkably constant, and the figures are
available in literature.
Pure manure has one serious disadvantage: it decomposes fairly
rapidly, and within a year or two the plants sit on the bottom of the
pot on a tiny amount of manure. Cycads, and probably also
Clivias, dislike disturbance of their roots when re-planted.
There is something still better than horse manure because it
contains far more decompositionally stable plant fragments:
rhinoceros and elephant dung. Unfortunately that is in short supply
in cities, unless some entrepeneur can arrange its supply.
Piet Vorster
Botany Department,
University of Stellenbosch,
Private Bag X1,
7602 Matieland,
South Africa.
Hullo, Rudo
I am growing Clivias in Nelson, New Zealand. I have a few plants that are
10yrs+ old that flower well and many others that are just seedlings. We
occasionally get winter temps as low as -10'C but they seem to cope with
that okay.
I would like to know why you have tried horse manure in particular? Have
you tried cow, or sheep etc? Recently I found an old bag of general garden
fertiliser, equal parts N, P, K and experimented with that with good
results.
Mary van der Westhuyzen
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From: Rudo Lotter <clivia@...>
To: clivia-enthusiast <clivia-enthusiast@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, March 23, 2000 6:53 AM
Subject: [clivia-enthusiast] Horse manure
I have planted the following plants in to fresh horse manure mixed with a
little sawdust.
1 Strelitzia
1 Cycad
3 Cymbidium
2 Clivia
2 Coleus
After two weeks in the manure none of the above plants shows any signs of
burn, there are vigorous root development and new leaves are starting to
sprout.
I can only assume that it is save to plant clivia in fresh horse manure,
because in two weeks time some of the above plants must have shown signs of
stress by now.
According to the new roots that have developed in the two weeks I think that
all the plants are happy in this mix and should grow extremely well.
I shall keep the group informed on any further developments.
Rudo Lötter
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I have planted the following plants in to fresh horse manure mixed with a
little sawdust.
1 Strelitzia
1 Cycad
3 Cymbidium
2 Clivia
2 Coleus
After two weeks in the manure none of the above plants shows any signs of
burn, there are vigorous root development and new leaves are starting to
sprout.
I can only assume that it is save to plant clivia in fresh horse manure,
because in two weeks time some of the above plants must have shown signs of
stress by now.
According to the new roots that have developed in the two weeks I think that
all the plants are happy in this mix and should grow extremely well.
I shall keep the group informed on any further developments.
Rudo Lötter
Cyrtanthiflora Clivia breeders
http://users.iafrica.com/c/cl/cliviaclivia@...
Hallo, we now have a total of 40 members
I have sent a invitation to all the clivia club members with email addresses
to join our group, if you receive such a invitation and are already a member
of the clivia enthusiast, please ignore the invitation.
I would like to appeal to the members to post regular contributions to the
group.
Rudo Lötter
Cyrtanthiflora Clivia breeders
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There is an attempt to straighten up the Clivia names to be published in
the next year book.
harold
At 04:31 PM 3/19/00 -0800, you wrote:
>Rudo,
>Thanks for the interesting photo of one of your F2 hybrids. It brings up the
>topic of "what do we call these various hybrids?"
>
>x cyrtanthiflora should only be used for the original cross, but is used for
>the miniata / nobilis types that are now being produced.
>
>What creates confusion is the use of this name( x cyrtanthiflora) for the
>other crosses using miniata/gardenii and miniata/caulescens.
>
>Apart from individual clonal names for each new hybrid, do we need group
>hybrid names to designate the type of cross? ie x mindenii for a miniata and
>gardenii cross. Or perhaps minescens for the miniata and caulescens cross.
>What happens if the reciprocal cross is made? What happens when a multiple
>species backcross is made. Can get a bit detailed.
>
>What do other Egroup members think?
>
>Regards
>Ken Smith
>______________________________________________________
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Hi Rudo
Mr Nick Primich has indeed been appointed by the Central Club to coordinate the
action to establish the Clivia Club as the registering authority for the names
of Clivia cultivars. The Northern Clivia Club has appointed three members to
help Nick with literature searches in this regard. I am prepared to forward any
suggestions on the topic to Nick.
Greetings to all you Clivia Enthusiasts. Dr Vorster I will be in Cape Town
towards the end of March and hope to see you again.
Regards
Chris Vlok
>>> "Rudo Lotter" <clivia@...> 2000/03/20 17:09:22 >>>
There goes my company name, although the name Cyrtanthiflora refers to the
original cross, the whole world uses it for basically any interspesific
hybrid, regardless whether F1,F2 or what species.
It will be impossible to stop them from using the name, this is the reason
why I refer to the seed I sell as MIX HYBRIDS.
The best will be if we can name the cultivars as Dr. Voster suggested, at
the moment everybody is giving names to his own plants e.g..
Clivia x "Chančl" which is a name I gave to one of my F2 Minata x Nobilis
hybrids. This is not the way to go, but it shows that there is a need for
cultivars to be registered.
I believe that the Clivia Club in South Africa is currently busy with such a
project, perhaps someone from the club can tell us more.
Rudo Lötter
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Is very someone who might know why Dr. Voster is unable to read the jpeg
photo I sent. For some reason his email program converted the photo to text.
I think it might be a setting, but I am not sure.
Perhaps Dr. Voster can give us more information about what program he use,
what size computer, windows software ex.
Rudo
There goes my company name, although the name Cyrtanthiflora refers to the
original cross, the whole world uses it for basically any interspesific
hybrid, regardless whether F1,F2 or what species.
It will be impossible to stop them from using the name, this is the reason
why I refer to the seed I sell as MIX HYBRIDS.
The best will be if we can name the cultivars as Dr. Voster suggested, at
the moment everybody is giving names to his own plants e.g..
Clivia x "Chančl" which is a name I gave to one of my F2 Minata x Nobilis
hybrids. This is not the way to go, but it shows that there is a need for
cultivars to be registered.
I believe that the Clivia Club in South Africa is currently busy with such a
project, perhaps someone from the club can tell us more.
Rudo Lötter
Cyrtanthiflora Clivia breeders
http://users.iafrica.com/c/cl/cliviaclivia@...
I am happy with plain text and HTML.
Boelie Steyn
HR ADMIN MANAGER ( North East )
Tel. ( 012 ) 4213218
>>> clivia@... 03/17 5:25 PM >>>
I sent the first message in plain text, and the photos went through as
attachments, this one is in HTML, which format would the group prefer.
Hallo, it seems like this will be our first topic. To really understand how
close the relationship is between clivia and orchids, one have to go and see
clivia in their natural habitat. I have attached a few photo's taken in the
wild to illustrate my point. I know that the quality is not very good, but
we have to keep the photo's small ( not more than 100Kb in total) in order
to prevent ones email from blocking.
These two photos show C. miniata growing epiphyticly high up in trees, I have
also seen C. caulescens in trees, and even places where clivia and orchids
grow together in the same tree.
the third photo shows C. miniata in pure leaf litter, more typical natural
growing conditions, there are also places where clivia grows in small pieces
of broken rock (almost like a rock litter from a rock fall) and I have seen
C. nobilis preferring pure sea sand with a bit of compost on top.
The next photo shows C. caulescens clinging to a rockface. I have also seen
C. miniata on rocks.
At home I have a C. miniata in a tree, which is in flower at the moment,
there is very little growing medium to support the plant but the roots are
fixed and it is impossible to lift the plant out.
I also have three clivias in pots for 13 years now, there is nothing in the
pots except a mass of roots, and they are in a perfect condition.
This may sound like we have a tropical climate, I live in Pretoria, South
Africa with limited rainfall and dry-hot summers. Shows you how tough
clivias can be.
Research done by Hannes Robertse and Craig Honiball on the roots of clivia
proved that the roots are very similar to that of orchids, both containing
structures called "velamens" The function of these velamens is believed to
enable the plant to absorb moisture and nutrients from the air.
Rudo Lötter
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Dear Kenneth,
With regard to your message about naming Clivia hybrids: you are
quite correct, the cultivar name "Clivia cyrtanthiflora" can ONLY be
used for the original hybrid clone (probably extinct by now). The
name may not be used for subsequent hybrids of the same
perentage, nor for the sexual (as opposed to clonal) progeny of the
original clone.
For cultivars or hybrids any name can be used, but nevertheless
there are certain rules to be adhered to, and documented in the
"International Code of nomenclature for cultivated plants". This
would be essential reading before any cultivars can be named.
This is also an opportune time to establish a registering authority
for the names of Clivia cultivars.
Piet Vorster
******************************
Dr. P. Vorster,
Botany Department,
University of Stellenbosch,
Private Bag X1,
7602 Matieland.
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Rudo,
Thanks for the interesting photo of one of your F2 hybrids. It brings up the
topic of "what do we call these various hybrids?"
x cyrtanthiflora should only be used for the original cross, but is used for
the miniata / nobilis types that are now being produced.
What creates confusion is the use of this name( x cyrtanthiflora) for the
other crosses using miniata/gardenii and miniata/caulescens.
Apart from individual clonal names for each new hybrid, do we need group
hybrid names to designate the type of cross? ie x mindenii for a miniata and
gardenii cross. Or perhaps minescens for the miniata and caulescens cross.
What happens if the reciprocal cross is made? What happens when a multiple
species backcross is made. Can get a bit detailed.
What do other Egroup members think?
Regards
Ken Smith
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Rudo,
Thanks for the interesting photo of one of your F2 hybrids. It brings up the
topic of "what do we call these various hybrids?"
x cyrtanthiflora should only be used for the original cross, but is used for
the miniata / nobilis types that are now being produced.
What creates confusion is the use of this name( x cyrtanthiflora) for the
other crosses using miniata/gardenii and miniata/caulescens.
Apart from individual clonal names for each new hybrid, do we need group
hybrid names to designate the type of cross? ie x mindenii for a miniata and
gardenii cross. Or perhaps minescens for the miniata and caulescens cross.
What happens if the reciprocal cross is made? What happens when a multiple
species backcross is made. Can get a bit detailed.
What do other Egroup members think?
Regards
Ken Smith
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Hallo clivia friends,
Here is a photo of an interesting F2 Cyrtanthiflora hybrid, the flowers are
small on a miniata like umbel, the inside of the flower opens up as yellow
with a round orange blotch on each petal and gradually becomes larger as the
flower gets older. Unfortunately I took this photo when the flower was near
its end. In this plant there are two characteristics combined from each of
the original parents. The open flowers comes from miniata and the colour of
the flower comes from the inside of gardenii. Note that I refer to these
hybrids as Cyrtanthiflora, this is because there is no name in existence for
miniata x gardenii. The name Cyrtanthiflora actually refers to the cross
between miniata and nobilis.
Rudo Lötter
Cyrtanthiflora Clivia breeders
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Hugh, the photo you sent of the yellow with the red blotches on the older
flower, is one of the many phenotypes of a group of clivia called
Par-Yellow. My father, Wessel Lotter was the first to recognize this type of
yellow and how to breed with them. They differ in phenotype from pure yellow
to a multiple toned clone as the one in your photo. They are genetically a
different mutation than True Yellow, and are not compatible with True Yellow
(All offspring are orange split for both mutations). Please note that there
are uncomplete mutations of True Yellow in existence, which also shows a
multiple toned flower such as Chubb's Peach and Yellows with pink smear
marks on the petals, they are however compatible with True yellow. The best
way to recognize a Par yellow is by the red blotches on the older flowers
and their fruit when properly ripened also shows red speckles. The only way
to breed with them is to cross to clones of the same mutation or by selfing,
although most clivia tends to self very poorly. Many records of selfing in
clivia proofed that the plant in fact did not selfed, and that the seed set
was due to inadverted pollination from another plant. If you want to self
this plant make sure that you move it to a place where it is impossible for
other pollen to reach the flower. I believe that the Par-Yellow group holds
many surprises for the breeder, because of the small amount of anthocianin
still present in the plant, they could produce beautiful tones.
If you would like to learn more about the breeding behavior of Par-Yellows,
visit my web site at http://users.iafrica.com/c/cl/clivia/Article.htm
Rudo Lötter
Cyrtanthiflora Clivia breeders
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Dear All,
Thanks for the interesting forum.
1. Regarding the root system of Clivia and a link to orchids, I agree that
the nature of the Clivia plants is certainly one of an epiphytic/lithophytic
growth. I recall seeing the remains of the Cowlishaw collection in large
concrete pots. Many of the plants were in the top pot of a stack of these
concrete pots and there was no appreciable potting mix left. The plants were
growing and flowering nicely. I have also grown Clivia in pots of
rocks/compost and in pots of crumpled newspaper - without problems to these
remarkable plants.
That is probably where the link to orchids finishes.
2. The photograph that Hugh sent is like a form of TWINS that I have. I will
send a photo from work on monday for comparison. Take some new photos, Hugh
so we can see if the trait follows through this season. I will be doing the
same.
Regards
Ken Smith
Winmalee AUSTRALIA
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I've always had he impression that clivia was more of an epiphytic plant
than most people imagined. Your images from natural habitats certainly
support this perspective and gives backing to the necessity for a well
drained type of growing media.
Thanks for your comments on the images I've sent along. Here's another
clone that I find interesting. It has multiple tones in the flower head
which may or may not come through in the transmission. It is developing
a scape at the moment so I may try and take some better shots in a few
weeks.
Hugh
Rudo Lotter wrote:
Hallo, my apologies for the two emails, I now realize
that the best way is
to send the message in plain text and add the photos on as file attachments.
I shall try to formulate a guideline for the group.
In the mean time I think Hugh must place something about how to photograph
clivia, his photos are excellent.
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Hallo, my apologies for the two emails, I now realize that the best way is
to send the message in plain text and add the photos on as file attachments.
I shall try to formulate a guideline for the group.
In the mean time I think Hugh must place something about how to photograph
clivia, his photos are excellent.
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My e-mail program (Eudora Pro) can handle either, but I much prefer plain
text to HTML.
Jim Shields
At 05:25 PM 3/17/00 +0200, you wrote:
>>>>
I sent the first message in plain text, and the photos went through as
attachments, this one is in HTML, which format would the group prefer.
*************************************************
Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd.
P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://a1.com/daylily/
Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. +1-317-896-3925
I sent the first message in plain text, and the photos went through as attachments, this one is in HTML, which format would the group prefer.
Hallo, it seems like this will be our first topic. To really understand how close the relationship is between clivia and orchids, one have to go and see clivia in their natural habitat. I have attached a few photo's taken in the wild to illustrate my point. I know that the quality is not very good, but we have to keep the photo's small ( not more than 100Kb in total) in order to prevent ones email from blocking.
These two photos show C. miniata growing epiphyticly high up in trees, I have also seen C. caulescens in trees, and even places where clivia and orchids grow together in the same tree.
the third photo shows C. miniata in pure leaf litter, more typical natural growing conditions, there are also places where clivia grows in small pieces of broken rock (almost like a rock litter from a rock fall) and I have seen C. nobilis preferring pure sea sand with a bit of compost on top.
The next photo shows C. caulescens clinging to a rockface. I have also seen C. miniata on rocks.
At home I have a C. miniata in a tree, which is in flower at the moment, there is very little growing medium to support the plant but the roots are fixed and it is impossible to lift the plant out.
I also have three clivias in pots for 13 years now, there is nothing in the pots except a mass of roots, and they are in a perfect condition.
This may sound like we have a tropical climate, I live in Pretoria, South Africa with limited rainfall and dry-hot summers. Shows you how tough clivias can be.
Research done by Hannes Robertse and Craig Honiball on the roots of clivia proved that the roots are very similar to that of orchids, both containing structures called "velamens" The function of these velamens is believed to enable the plant to absorb moisture and nutrients from the air.
Hallo, it seems like this will be our first topic. To really understand how
close the relationship is between clivia and orchids, one have to go and see
clivia in their natural habitat. I have attached a few photo's taken in the
wild to illustrate my point. I know that the quality is not very good, but
we have to keep the photo's small ( not more than 100Kb in total) in order
to prevent ones email from blocking.
These two photos show C. miniata growing epiphytic high up in trees, I have
also seen C. caulescens in trees, and even places where clivia and orchids
grow together in the same tree.
the third photo shows C. miniata in pure leaf litter, more typical natural
growing conditions, there are also places where clivia grows in small pieces
of broken rock (almost like a rock litter from a rock fall) and I have seen
C. nobilis preferring pure sea sand with a bit of compost on top.
The next photo shows C. caulescens clinging to a rockface. I have also seen
C. miniata on rocks.
At home I have a C. miniata in a tree, which is in flower at the moment,
there is very little growing medium to support the plant but the roots are
fixed and it is impossible to lift the plant out.
I also have three clivias in pots for 13 years now, there is nothing in the
pots except a mass of roots, and they are in a perfect condition.
This may sound like we have a tropical climate, I live in Pretoria, South
Africa with limited rainfall and dry-hot summers. Shows you how tough
clivias can be.
Research done by Hannes Robertse and Craig Honiball on the roots of clivia
proved that the roots are very similar to that of orchids, both containing
structures called "velamens" The function of these velamens is believed to
enable the plant to absorb moisture and nutrients from the air.
Rudo Lötter
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Well, actually, I am not really the clivia grower, but my wife got interested a couple of years ago, and since then, she has been very dedicated grower. Since she does not have E-mail as yet, untill they move to new offices, I will be her agent for what it's worth..
But as a matter of interest, it would however be nice to know how this plant adapt to various climate conditions over the world, like we over here in South Africa, experience probably the ideal weather for clivia growing, and as soon as my wife is able to supply photos, we will post them on this site.
I live here in Utah in the USA and grow a variety of unusual bulbs in a greenhouse. I got interested in clivia about ten years ago when I saw a beautiful form 'Vico Yellow' at a friends greenhouse in Switzerland. My clivia collection which currently consists of about 20 different elite clones, is moved outside from May to October after the cold weather is past. I have a range of pastel colors and flower forms which include a couple of unusual inter-species crosses as well. I've just started to do some breeding myself and hope to do more with other unique clivia material. I'm always interested in trading plant divisions and hope to obtain some dwarf forms with which to work. I've attached an image of a bi-color/splash form that came from a friend and I am curious if anyone else has seen this sort of clivia before or has any idea how they develop?
I'm looking forward to this growers discussion group.
Hugh Bollinger
John Craigie wrote:
Rudo
Thank you for setting this up. I think this is a great idea.
I will follow Jim Shields introduction. Gail and I are relatively new to growing clivias.We have jumped in at the deep end and now have many thousands of plants having sourced plants from all round Australia (from one to five years old) and seed from South Africa, Holland, Japan, US and China. We now have a good selection of colours.
Like Jim, I also grow lots of named day lilies and named lousiana iris and lots of other plant varieties. Gail and I have a wholesale plant nursery on the upper reaches of the Brisbane River outside of Ipswich, Queensland Australia. Temperature range is -7 to 43 celisus and rainfall is very variable but mainly very dry.
I think Rudo may be on to something with the horse manure. It seems to me that Orchids and Clivias may have similar likes and dislikes. A friend of mine grows his clivias in a very open Orchid mix supplemented with trace elements and minerals. He says that they grow quite fast in this mix. I'll carry out some experiments on growing seedlings in horse manure and let you know how I go.
Rudo I guess you plant them into 100% composted horse manure. If that is so then do you keep the mix relatively dry? Does composited horse manure have poor drainage/rewetting qualities?
Cheers for now.
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Hallo, this is a test, I replied to Jim's message, if everything is in the
right place the whole group would be able to see this reply.
Thanks for all the introductions it is nice to learn more about fellow
clivia growers, where they stay and how they cope with different climatic
conditions.
I am so happy that the group is starting to function in the way I hoped it
would, Hugh thanks for posting a magnificent photo - Wow What do you call
this clone. With the aid of a group like this one, you will now be able to
reach other clivia growers with similar clones as yours, and to exchange
pollen in order to promote a breeding line.
For those of you who wondered about the Horse manure, I used it 100%
composted but now I am experimenting with fresh manure, so far it does not
seem to burn the plants. The water retention and aeration is good because of
the sawdust mixed with the manure. I think that the clivias are going to
grow much faster in this because the manure still has all its nitrogen, I
believe that a great deal of nitrogen is lost when decomposed.
I also think that this clivia group is a great idea, it draws all the clivia
enthusiasts from all over the world together in one little box, it makes the
world a small place. I know that this group will do more to promote clivia
and clivia breeding, than all previous attempts. Lets make it a huge
success. Lets make clivia the flower for the future.
We now have 17 members.
Rudo Lötter
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From: J.E. Shields <jshields@...>
To: Clivia Enthusiasts <clivia-enthusiast@egroups.com>
Date: 15 March 2000 11:29
Subject: [clivia-enthusiast] Introduction
>Hello all,
>
>I'm glad to see this Clivia group established. I live in central Indiana,
>in the town of Westfield. Our climate here is cool temperate, USDA
>hardiness zone 5 (nominally). Our summers have many days above 30 C but
>never have exceeded 106 F (41 C) in the past 150 years. Our winters
>routinely have numerous days where the morning low temperature is around 0
>F (-18 C) and we usually have a few days where the temperatures are lower
>than -10 F (-23 C). Our precipitation is supposed to average 39 inches
>(100 cm) per year, nearly evenly distributed among all 12 months of the
>year. Unfortunately, it has not been reaching that amount in recent years.
>
>I grow my clivia plants in a home greenhouse in winter and move them
>outdoors to a lath house in summer. I have loads of young seedlings (up to
>2 yrs. old), many from seeds sent out by the Clivia Club. So far, I have
>only a few mature plants -- 3 C. miniata 'Belgian Strain' and a named
>cultivar of C. miniata, 'Doris' from Santa Barbara, California.
>
>Our main activity is a daylily nursery, where we hybridize and sell
>Hemerocallis. I retired 4 years ago to devote more time to the plants. If
>daylilies are a vocation, then growing bulbs of all sorts is my avocation.
>We visited South Africa last August on a small tour with John Bryan.
>During that visit, I had the pleasure of meeting Rachel and Rod Saunders in
>Cape Town, Greg Pettit in Durban, and Dr. Robert Archer at the N.B.I.
>Pretoria, among others.
>
>My wife, Irma, and I enjoyed South Africa very much, and Irma is determined
>that we shall return someday. I think I'll try to make our next visit
>coincide better with spring bloom (if that's possible!)
>
>Congratulations on the formation of this new group. I certainly look
>forward to learning a great deal about clivia.
>
>Jim
>*************************************************
>Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd.
>P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://a1.com/daylily/
>Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel.
+1-317-896-3925
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I live here in Utah in the USA and grow a variety of unusual bulbs in a
greenhouse. I got interested in clivia about ten years ago when I saw a
beautiful form 'Vico Yellow' at a friends greenhouse in Switzerland. My
clivia collection which currently consists of about 20 different elite
clones, is moved outside from May to October after the cold weather is
past. I have a range of pastel colors and flower forms which include a
couple of unusual inter-species crosses as well. I've just started to do
some breeding myself and hope to do more with other unique clivia material.
I'm always interested in trading plant divisions and hope to obtain some
dwarf forms with which to work. I've attached an image of a bi-color/splash
form that came from a friend and I am curious if anyone else has seen this
sort of clivia before or has any idea how they develop?
I'm looking forward to this growers discussion group.
Hugh Bollinger
John Craigie wrote:
Rudo
Thank you for setting this up. I think this is a great idea.
I will follow Jim Shields introduction. Gail and I are relatively new
to growing clivias.We have jumped in at the deep end and now have many
thousands of plants having sourced plants from all round Australia
(from one to five years old) and seed from South Africa, Holland,
Japan, US and China. We now have a good selection of colours.
Like Jim, I also grow lots of named day lilies and named lousiana iris
and lots of other plant varieties. Gail and I have a wholesale
plant
nursery on the upper reaches of the Brisbane River outside of Ipswich,
Queensland Australia. Temperature range is -7 to 43 celisus and
rainfall is very variable but mainly very dry.
I think Rudo may be on to something with the horse manure. It
seems to
me that Orchids and Clivias may have similar likes and dislikes.
A
friend of mine grows his clivias in a very open Orchid mix supplemented
with trace elements and minerals. He says that they grow quite fast
in
this mix. I'll carry out some experiments on growing seedlings
in
horse manure and let you know how I go.
Rudo I guess you plant them into 100% composted horse manure. If that
is so then do you keep the mix relatively dry? Does composited horse
manure have poor drainage/rewetting qualities?
Cheers for now.
John Craigie
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Hi all,
I assume Rudo that you are growing your clivias in the ground in aged horse
manure? I have not found a source of usable horse manure here, even though
we live in horse country ( far outer suburbs of Indianapolis). It is
always to young and contains too little carbon (straw, wood chips, bedding,
etc.)
Growing them in containeers as I must, using orchid mix sounds interesting.
Jim
*************************************************
Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd.
P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://a1.com/daylily/
Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. +1-317-896-3925
Rudo
Thank you for setting this up. I think this is a great idea.
I will follow Jim Shields introduction. Gail and I are relatively new
to growing clivias.We have jumped in at the deep end and now have many
thousands of plants having sourced plants from all round Australia
(from one to five years old) and seed from South Africa, Holland,
Japan, US and China. We now have a good selection of colours.
Like Jim, I also grow lots of named day lilies and named lousiana iris
and lots of other plant varieties. Gail and I have a wholesale plant
nursery on the upper reaches of the Brisbane River outside of Ipswich,
Queensland Australia. Temperature range is -7 to 43 celisus and
rainfall is very variable but mainly very dry.
I think Rudo may be on to something with the horse manure. It seems to
me that Orchids and Clivias may have similar likes and dislikes. A
friend of mine grows his clivias in a very open Orchid mix supplemented
with trace elements and minerals. He says that they grow quite fast in
this mix. I'll carry out some experiments on growing seedlings in
horse manure and let you know how I go.
Rudo I guess you plant them into 100% composted horse manure. If that
is so then do you keep the mix relatively dry? Does composited horse
manure have poor drainage/rewetting qualities?
Cheers for now.
John Craigie
Hello all,
I'm glad to see this Clivia group established. I live in central Indiana,
in the town of Westfield. Our climate here is cool temperate, USDA
hardiness zone 5 (nominally). Our summers have many days above 30 C but
never have exceeded 106 F (41 C) in the past 150 years. Our winters
routinely have numerous days where the morning low temperature is around 0
F (-18 C) and we usually have a few days where the temperatures are lower
than -10 F (-23 C). Our precipitation is supposed to average 39 inches
(100 cm) per year, nearly evenly distributed among all 12 months of the
year. Unfortunately, it has not been reaching that amount in recent years.
I grow my clivia plants in a home greenhouse in winter and move them
outdoors to a lath house in summer. I have loads of young seedlings (up to
2 yrs. old), many from seeds sent out by the Clivia Club. So far, I have
only a few mature plants -- 3 C. miniata 'Belgian Strain' and a named
cultivar of C. miniata, 'Doris' from Santa Barbara, California.
Our main activity is a daylily nursery, where we hybridize and sell
Hemerocallis. I retired 4 years ago to devote more time to the plants. If
daylilies are a vocation, then growing bulbs of all sorts is my avocation.
We visited South Africa last August on a small tour with John Bryan.
During that visit, I had the pleasure of meeting Rachel and Rod Saunders in
Cape Town, Greg Pettit in Durban, and Dr. Robert Archer at the N.B.I.
Pretoria, among others.
My wife, Irma, and I enjoyed South Africa very much, and Irma is determined
that we shall return someday. I think I'll try to make our next visit
coincide better with spring bloom (if that's possible!)
Congratulations on the formation of this new group. I certainly look
forward to learning a great deal about clivia.
Jim
*************************************************
Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd.
P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://a1.com/daylily/
Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. +1-317-896-3925
Hallo, our group is growing steadily, we are a total of 9 members now, I
shall place a letter in the next issue of the clivia club news letter,
requesting the club members to join our chat group. This should increase the
membership to about 300 people. So many members can only lead to interesting
conversation. Thanks again for all my friends who joined so far. Please tell
as many clivia growers about this group, it is time that all clivia growers
unite in the sharing of information. This will benefit us all.
Lets get the ball rolling now, post any clivia related matters, questions
and photo's to clivia-enthusiast@egroups.com , remember that all the members
will receive your message, and reply's - there is power in numbers, the
power of knowledge.
Rudo Lötter
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Welcome to all the new members, I am glad to see that there is so much
interest in this. I am sure that we will all benefit from this group.
Remember your participation is vital for the survival of this group.
The first subject I want to stir up is that of the benefits of horse manure
for clivia. I have made some trials with seedlings by planting them in to
composted horse manure, the result is that they have grown to flowering size
in a matter of 2 years with out any other special treatment. I have red in
an article about orchids that in America they plant cimbidiums in fresh
horse manure with astonishing successes, I have now started a trial with
clivia in the same way, any comments, will the fresh horse manure damage the
clivia or not, way is this such a good compost.
Rudo Lötter
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Hallo, I think so far we are only four members. The objective of this group
will be to join all clivia lovers from around the world together. So please
get as many clivia enthusiasts to join up. Our aims will be to share
knowledge with each other, to tell all about your clivia and what joy they
bring, to brag with your plants via photographs and leave every one with
envy, to market any plants or seed you may have for sale and to become
friends over the net.
Rudo Lötter
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