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#29731

From: "M Dower" <jdower@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:21 pm
Subject: Umtamvuna Yellow

jdower@...

Hi all,

Many enthusiasts in this country and some visitors from abroad to the International meetings held here every four years have climbed down into the Umtamvuna Gorge situate in southern KwaZulu-Natal near Port Edward and the Transkei border. A photo is attached.

Miniata grow profusely in this gorge and they all have a very distinctive leaf form shown in the second photo. They are stiffer, more like nobilis, and a little broader (7cm) than most miniata but with a rounded end forming a beak. They are a bit greyer in colour and easily distinguished amongst other miniata.

In 1998 we collected two plants with pastel coloured flowers there and some seedlings. They are very slow growing.

The seedlings have still not flowered but those in flower were called “32C” and “29B” using the RHS Colour Chart, which was the only colour chart then available. On our New Colour Chart their flower colours would be numbers 29-30 and 36 respectively.

32C has suckered freely but the others have not. Photos of 32C and 29B are attached.

Kirstenbosch Supreme is a hybrid of Kirstenbosch Yellow ( Group 1) x Natal Yellow (Group 2) with a large umbel held well above the leaves which are normal miniata leaves. It therefore carries both group 1 and group 2 Yellow genes. A photo is attached to the follow up to this message because I have run out of space,but you will find a better photo on the back cover of Clivia Yearbook 2.

It was pollinated with Umtamvuna 29B and has produced a very good yellow with a strong peduncle and large umbe (see photo attached to follow up message)l. It has not inherited the Umtamvuna type leaf.

I have also crossed Oribi Gorge Yellow (not Group 1 or 2, but this gorge is a little further east of Umtamvuna) with Umtamvuna 32C resulting in only pigmented seedlings.

However, Floradale Apricot pollinated with Umtamvuna 32C produced 5 out of 16 green stemmed seedlings which have not flowered yet but have also not inherited the Umtamvuna type leaf. Since Floradale Apricot produces green stemmed seedlings when pollinated with Group 1 Yellows and with Chubb Peach (also Group 1), the yellow now produced from Umtamvuna is probably the result of the Group 1 Yellow mutated gene combining from both parents, but clearly there is still a lot more work to be done with the miniata from Umtamvuna.

Mick Dower, from a Cape Town suddenly beset by winter storms in summer!

#29730

From: "M Dower" <jdower@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:30 am
Subject: RE: [clivia] Out of Season Flowering

jdower@...

www.pinemountainnursery.com.au

Hi John,

What is its breeding? Looks like Appleblossom.

Mick Dower, Cape Town.

From: clivia-enthusiast@yahoogroups.com [mailto:clivia-enthusiast@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Craigie
Sent: 13 November 2009 05:35 AM
To: clivia-enthusiast@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [clivia] Out of Season Flowering

Hi All

Here is a picture of the back of the tepals.

cheers

John Craigie

Pine Mountain Nursery

IMG_0020

#29729

From: Peter Miles <petermalcommiles@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:12 am
Subject: Re: [clivia] Emailing: Clivias16 2009 086

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Hello Andries,

This is a lovely and most unusual clivia flower. I think it has great potential for breeding purposes. Could you provide us with some information on its breeding background?

Thank you for the photos.

Regards,

Peter Miles

East London,

South Africa.�

2009/11/13 online802477@... <andriesb@...>

For your enjoyment.

Regards.

Andries Bothma.

Rustenburg.

South Africa.
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#29728

From: Victor Murillo <murillos8@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:16 am
Subject: confusing terminology

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http://murillos-exquisite-clivias.com/index.htm

Hello Marilyn and All,

I really don't know what to say about the email Marilyn posted. All I can say is that I will forward it to Shige, so he can see what Marilyn thinks about his description of the listing. I only used the description that Shige gave me and what " He " thought his description was of the way the flowers look. Shige is a well known breeder and I think he has a little bit more experience with Clivia's, than most of us breeders, and the " collector's " that have a lot of opinions regarding Clivia's.

I have included the descriptions from previos emails from Shige and I when I was buying the plants to show everyone, Shige's description. I listed the plant with the description I was given by Shige and if it's wrong, I'm sorry... I agree with Shige 100 %. Maybe were both wrong ? It doesn't matter to me....

Hello Victor,

OK, I have all the plants that you ordered.

Thank you so much for your order at this time.

I following your order and my bank details below.

Your order

No.1 TK Original Yellow with green center – US$XXX x 2 =US$XXX

No.2 Selected Special TK Original Yellow with green center, flower like Vico Yellow – US$ XXX

Plants cost =US$XXX

Postage = US$35

Total cost = XXXX

Bank account details

Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi UFJ (International Bank Code : 0005) Chofu Branch office
SWIFT CODE : BOTKJPJT
*Address : 2-51-11 Kojima-cho Chofu-City, Tokyo postal code : 182-0025**
TEL : (+81) 424-81-5241
Account number : 590-1510730
Name : Shigetaka Sasaki


My home address ;

Shigetaka Sasaki
Mezon Tama 203, 4-32-1 Tamagawa, Chofu-City, Tokyo 182-0025 Japan

TEL & FAX : (81) 424-83-0049

When I confirm the money(US$xxx) from you, then I send the plants to you next Wednesday.

Best regards

Shige

Hello All,

Here's another email that a friend of mine recieved from Shige, telling him about the recent listing

I posted:

Wow, Victor’s plants was from me ! It’s a nice flower and flower shape looks like a Vico Yellow.

Thank you for letting me know about this interesting news !

Many thanks

Shige

Victor Murillo

'Murillo's Exquisite Clivia's"

'Creating Unique and Exquisite Clivia's

760-519-3799

murillos8@...

#29727

From: "Ken Smith" <cliviasmith@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:59 pm
Subject: RE: [clivia] confusing terminology

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Dear group members,

I agree with the comments Marilyn has posted about terminology.

I am very concerned at the continual confusion for novice hobbyists when they buy seeds or un-flowered seedlings on eBay of “named” Clivia crosses. Different sellers approach the description detail content in various ways. Please be aware that the resultant seedlings, whilst they may be excellent plants in their own right, should NOT be called the same as one of the parents. I do receive a lot of communications relating to this issue so I wanted to bring it to a wider audience again.

Kind Regards

Ken Smith

International Registrar for CLIVIA

Sunny Blue Mountains west of Sydney, Australia

Marilyn wrote:

“It is up to each and everyone of us not to muddy the picture when it comes to Clivia names and terminology. This listing on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/Clivia-TK-Original-With-Special-Vico-Yellow-Flowers_W0QQitemZ130343808615QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1e5918ae67 is for a Tk Yellow with Green Throat...but is says "with special Vico flowers".....

How does a group 2 yellow have group 1 flowers? If a novice buys this plant will they think they have a Vico yellow?. Those of us with experience know this is not the case. (The flowers on the plant do not have recurved petals like Vico Yellow so that comparison is strange anyway!) Please everyone be careful with terminology. Inconsistent and capricious naming muddies the heritage of a perfectly good TK Yellow with Green Throat bred by Toshio Koike.”

#29726

From: "online802477@..." <andriesb@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:18 pm
Subject: Emailing: Clivias14 2009 203

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Clivia photo for your enjoyment.

Greetings.

Andries Bothma.

Rustenburg.

South Africa.

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#29725

From: "online802477@..." <andriesb@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:05 pm
Subject: Emailing: Clivias13 2009 006

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Enjoy this photo of a red clivia.

Clivia regards.

Andries Bothma.

Rustenburg.

South Africa.

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#29724

From: "online802477@..." <andriesb@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:57 pm
Subject: Emailing: Clivias12 2009 022

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For your enjoyment a Chubb Peach.

Clivia greetings.

Andries Bothma.

Rustenburg.

South Africa.

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#29723

From: "online802477@..." <andriesb@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:24 pm
Subject: Emailing: Clivias14 2009 223

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For your enjoyment.

Clivia greetings.

Andries Bothma.

Rustenburg

South Africa.

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#29722

From: "online802477@..." <andriesb@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:32 pm
Subject: Emailing: Clivias16 2009 086

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For your enjoyment.

Regards.

Andries Bothma.

Rustenburg.

South Africa.

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#29721

From: "online802477@..." <andriesb@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:59 pm
Subject: Emailing: Clivias12 2009 028

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Enjoy this white lips.

Clivia greetings.

Andries Bothma.

Rustenburg.

South Africa.

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#29720

From: "online802477@..." <andriesb@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:14 pm
Subject: Emailing: Clivias14 2009 164

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Enjoy this yellow flowering clivia.

Clivia greetings.

Andries Bothma.

Rustenburg.

South Africa.

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#29719

From: "online802477@..." <andriesb@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:36 pm
Subject: Emailing: Clivias17 2009 011

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For your enjoyment.

Clivia regards.

Andries Bothma.

Rustenburg.

South Africa.

Your files are attached and ready to send with this message.

#29718

From: "online802477@..." <andriesb@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:20 pm
Subject: Emailing: Clivias14 2009 207

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Enjoy this green centre.

Clivia greetings.

Andries Bothma.

Rustenburg.

South Africa.

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#29717

From: "Marilyn" <zooey53@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:15 pm
Subject: confusing terminology

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Clivia enthusiasts,

It is up to each and everyone of us not to muddy the picture when it comes to Clivia names and terminology. This listing on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/Clivia-TK-Original-With-Special-Vico-Yellow-Flowers_W0QQitemZ130343808615QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1e5918ae67 is for a Tk Yellow with Green Throat...but is says "with special Vico flowers".....

Marilyn Paskert

No. California

#29716

From: Keith Hammett <khammett@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:08 pm
Subject: Re: [clivia] FW: A link in the chain dies.

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Hi Chris,

Koopowitz, Harold. 2002. Clivias. Timber Press. Portland
Smithers. Peter. 1995. Adventures of a Gardener. The Harvill Press with the Royal Horticultural Society.
Bodnant Castle website.

John Ingram has supplied a good image.

Kind regards.

Keith Hammett,
Auckland, New Zealand.

On 12/11/09 3:53 AM, "Chris de Vry" <chris@...> wrote:

Hi Keith

Thank you for revealing to us a very interesting and appropriate clivia account. Do you perhaps have any images available of the flowers from the Bodnant Yellow?

Could you perhaps also provide the reference 1, 2 and 3 you made, as they did not appear in the message.

Thanks again.

Chris de Vry
From a hot summers day in Pretoria

From: clivia-enthusiast@yahoogroups.com [mailto:clivia-enthusiast@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Hammett
Sent: 08 November 2009 10:59 AM
To: Clivia Group
Subject: [clivia] FW: A link in the chain dies.

Part of the magic of plant breeding is that it is like a relay race.
Individuals make a contribution and then hand on the baton to others.

The name Bodnant is important in the history of the development of Clivia
miniata, especially yellows.

Bodnant is the estate of the Lords Aberconway, in South Wales. Several
generations of Aberconways have been keen plantsmen and have been prominent
in the Royal Horticultural Society.

Harold Koopowitz covers in some detail how around 1930, Lord Aberconway
obtained some plant material of a yellow Clivia that was being bred at Kew.
This led to ŒBodnant Yellow¹, which I believe Terry Hatch has in his
collection, here in New Zealand. Both Koopowitz and Smithers establish that
ŒBodnant Yellow¹ and ŒVico Yellow¹ arose ultimately from the work carried
out earlier by Raffill at Kew.

Now of course Lords have gardeners, who actually do the work, and at Bodnant
there has been a dynasty of head gardeners, the Puddle family.

In 1920 Frederick Puddle became Head Gardener and was in due course
succeeded by his son Charles Puddle in 1947 and then by his grandson Martin
in 1982.

I note that Charles Puddle died on 30 July this year aged 92.

A brief obituary appears in the RHS Journal ³The Garden² for October 2009.

Keith Hammett,
Auckland.

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#29715

From: "Chris Welgemoed" <chrisw@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:15 am
Subject: Fwd: FW: POISON TREATMENT CARD.xls

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Hi Group

Thought this might come in handy!

I did not compile this. Hopefully it was done by somebody more clever than me...(it takes not much...)

Chris W

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#29714

From: Joan & Brian Claybrook <joanbrian1@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:49 am
Subject: Re: [clivia] Emailing: Clivias12 2009 048 Pinkish Peach

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Oh! What a beautiful Flower! Andries you have a wonderful collection.
Joan. West. Aus.

Joan Claybrook
Website: http://www.cliviaobsession.id.au
Email: joan@...

On 13/11/09 7:46 AM, "online802477@..." <andriesb@...> wrote:

Good day Clivia friends,
I like to share this photo with you.
Please enjoy.
Andries Bothma
Rustenburg.
South Africa
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#29713

From: John Craigie <craigie@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:31 am
Subject: Out of season flowering

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www.pinemountainnursery.com.au

Hi All

This one is flowering for a first time and has unusual tepal colouration. The back of the tepals has colouration but there is more in the sepals than the petals. I will send a picture of the back of the tepals separately. As the flowers age the colouration in the petals darken.

Cheers

John Craigie

Pine Mountain Nursery

IMG_0013

#29712

From: John Craigie <craigie@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:34 am
Subject: Out of Season Flowering

jmcraigie

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www.pinemountainnursery.com.au

Hi All

Here is a picture of the back of the tepals.

cheers

John Craigie

Pine Mountain Nursery

IMG_0020

#29711

From: "online802477@..." <andriesb@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:03 am
Subject: Emailing: Clivias12 2009 059

cliviagdns

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Please do enjoy this green centre plant's photo.
Best clivia greetings.
Andries Bothma.
Rustenburg.
South Africa.
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#29710

From: "online802477@..." <andriesb@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:46 pm
Subject: Emailing: Clivias12 2009 048 Pinkish Peach

cliviagdns

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Good day Clivia friends,
I like to share this photo with you.
Please enjoy.
Andries Bothma
Rustenburg.
South Africa
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#29709

From: Harold Koopowitz <paph2@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:17 pm
Subject: Re: [clivia] FW: A link in the chain dies.

paph2@...

Hi:
Let me add my two cents.

I acquired the plant from the New York Botanic Gardens who in turn had acquired it from Kew. My understanding was that the plant had been sent to NYBG for safe keeping during or at the start of the 2nd World War.

Harold

At 04:32 AM 11/12/2009, you wrote:

Chris et al.,
Here is my Bodnant Yellow Variety as acquired from UC Irvine. This is a selfed seed from the Bodnant that Koopowitz acquired from Kew.

John Ingram in Camarillo, CA, between Santa Barbara and L.A.
www.floralarchitecture.com "Your Clivia Connection"
New number >>> 805.914.9505 (cell, west coast time, please call accordingly. Thank you)

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From: Chris de Vry <chris@...>
To: clivia-enthusiast@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 6:53:29 AM
Subject: RE: [clivia] FW: A link in the chain dies.

Hi Keith

Thank you for revealing to us a very interesting and appropriate clivia account. Do you perhaps have any images available of the flowers from the Bodnant Yellow?

Could you perhaps also provide the reference 1, 2 and 3 you made, as they did not appear in the message.

Thanks again.

Chris de Vry

From a hot summers day in Pretoria

From: clivia-enthusiast@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:clivia-enthusiast@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Hammett
Sent: 08 November 2009 10:59 AM
To: Clivia Group
Subject: [clivia] FW: A link in the chain dies.

Part of the magic of plant breeding is that it is like a relay race.
Individuals make a contribution and then hand on the baton to others.

The name Bodnant is important in the history of the development of Clivia
miniata, especially yellows.

Bodnant is the estate of the Lords Aberconway, in South Wales. Several
generations of Aberconways have been keen plantsmen and have been prominent
in the Royal Horticultural Society.

Harold Koopowitz covers in some detail how around 1930,

#29708

From: Floral Architecture <john@...
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:32 pm
Subject: [clivia] FW: A link in the chain dies.

cliviagdns

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Chris et al.,
Here is my Bodnant Yellow Variety as acquired from UC Irvine. This is a selfed
seed from the Bodnant that Koopowitz acquired from Kew.



John Ingram in Camarillo, CA, between Santa Barbara and L.A.
www.floralarchitecture.com "Your Clivia Connection"
New number >>> 805.914.9505 (cell, west coast time, please call accordingly.
Thank you)





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From: Chris de Vry <chris@...>
To: clivia-enthusiast@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 6:53:29 AM
Subject: RE: [clivia] FW: A link in the chain dies.




Hi Keith



Thank you for revealing to us a very interesting and appropriate clivia account.
Do you perhaps have any images available of the flowers from  the Bodnant
Yellow?



Could you perhaps also provide the reference 1, 2 and 3 you made, as they did
not appear in the message.



Thanks again.



Chris de Vry

From a hot summers day in Pretoria



From: clivia-enthusiast@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:clivia-enthusiast@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Hammett
Sent: 08 November 2009 10:59 AM
To: Clivia Group
Subject: [clivia] FW: A link in the chain dies.


Part of the magic of plant breeding is that it is like a relay race.
Individuals make a contribution and then hand on the baton to others.

The name Bodnant is important in the history of the development of Clivia
miniata, especially yellows.

Bodnant is the estate of the Lords Aberconway, in South Wales. Several
generations of Aberconways have been keen plantsmen and have been prominent
in the Royal Horticultural Society.

Harold Koopowitz covers in some detail how around 1930,

#29707

From: "Chris de Vry" <chris@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:53 pm
Subject: RE: [clivia] FW: A link in the chain dies.

chris.devry

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Hi Keith

Thank you for revealing to us a very interesting and appropriate clivia account. Do you perhaps have any images available of the flowers from �the Bodnant Yellow?

Could you perhaps also provide the reference 1, 2 and 3 you made, as they did not appear in the message.

Thanks again.

Chris de Vry

From a hot summers day in Pretoria

From: clivia-enthusiast@yahoogroups.com [mailto:clivia-enthusiast@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Hammett
Sent: 08 November 2009 10:59 AM
To: Clivia Group
Subject: [clivia] FW: A link in the chain dies.

Part of the magic of plant breeding is that it is like a relay race.
Individuals make a contribution and then hand on the baton to others.

The name Bodnant is important in the history of the development of Clivia
miniata, especially yellows.

Bodnant is the estate of the Lords Aberconway, in South Wales. Several
generations of Aberconways have been keen plantsmen and have been prominent
in the Royal Horticultural Society.

Harold Koopowitz covers in some detail how around 1930, Lord Aberconway
obtained some plant material of a yellow Clivia that was being bred at Kew.
This led to �Bodnant Yellow�, which I believe Terry Hatch has in his
collection, here in New Zealand. Both Koopowitz and Smithers establish that
�Bodnant Yellow� and �Vico Yellow� arose ultimately from the work carried
out earlier by Raffill at Kew.

Now of course Lords have gardeners, who actually do the work, and at Bodnant
there has been a dynasty of head gardeners, the Puddle family.

In 1920 Frederick Puddle became Head Gardener and was in due course
succeeded by his son Charles Puddle in 1947 and then by his grandson Martin
in 1982.

I note that Charles Puddle died on 30 July this year aged 92.

A brief obituary appears in the RHS Journal �The Garden� for October 2009.

Keith Hammett,
Auckland.

------ End of Forwarded Message

#29706

From: kym stone <kymstone@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:29 pm
Subject: <no subject>

kymstone...

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Hi All,
Some late flowers, a couple of the yellows are being loaned to me. I was
surprised to see two more of mine with buds just emerging.
Cheers Kym
Grateful for the rain
Queensland Australia

#29705

From: "Dickie Gunston" <dickgun@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:47 pm
Subject: Emailing: IMG_0222, IMG_0224

dickgun@...

Hallo John, Sometime during August 2003 , you gave me a seed ,the history was that you obtained a sucker off the mother plant ,while staying at an Hotel in Austria. This plant you named "Austrian Surprise." The info on the tag in the pot is:- "Austrian Surprise Dark Orange B.L. X Citrina with persistant deep green throat. Bred by J. v. d. Linde ,grower Dick Gunston. Propagation of this seed commenced on 5/8/2003. pot 1/1/04 and repotted on 4/10/05 . The plant then had 8 leaves. Am sendng you pics of the plant now in flower for the first time. ............................ 17 flowers in the head and 30 leaves................ On opening the flowers have a light geen throat which changes to a deep butter yellow.when fully opened. Kind Regards, Dickie.

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#29704

From: Stephen Gregg <stephenoz31@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:10 am
Subject: Re: [clivia] New file uploaded to clivia-enthusiast

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Hi Chris ,The paper services the Great Southern area , with Albany 400km from Perth the writer Frank would not have seen too much advertising for clivia shows etc .

I can not recall ever seeing any articles on Clivia in the two city papers ,although there are many clivia growers around Perth metro and country the only time you see clivia is in the classifieds sometimes .

I notice on one of Angelas ebay listings the mention of starting a clivia group in W.A. , what a GREAT idea.

regards

Stephen Gregg

Red Hill

W.A.

--- On Sun, 8/11/09, Chris Ong <menuwhy0@...> wrote:

From: Chris Ong <menuwhy0@...>
Subject: Re: [clivia] New file uploaded to clivia-enthusiast
To: clivia-enthusiast@yahoogroups.com
Received: Sunday, 8 November, 2009, 11:20 PM

Who is this guy Frank Smith? Where has he been hiding and where does he gets his facts so far? Does he even open his own papers to see the news on the Clivia shows and get to know the people involved? Or has his paper editor also been hibernating with the rest of them?

I am uncertain if the people I know like to be addressed as experts (especially now) but I do know some people in WA who are pretty knowledgeable in things Clivia. Things like why Clivia does not do well in NT for example.

Anyway, I am sure my Clivia "novice" friends in WA are having some good light hearted fun over this article and not "fuming away inside"? Now with this article all the secrets are out and I now know as much as the next person?

Thanks for making my day, Pen.

Kind Regards,
Chris Ong
Thank God (my apology to our more religious members) I am a learner and will always be one.

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Subject: [clivia] New file uploaded to clivia-enthusiast
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From: "pmaunsell" <pmaunsell@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 8:54 am
Subject: Re: [clivia] New file uploaded to clivia-enthusiast

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