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Re: He I 2SP3 and neutral heavy ion fractions depend on assumed FeII atom

Hi Kirk,

I have posted three more plots. These are OTS_Fe_default.ps, OTS_Fe_99.ps, and
OTS_Fe_371.ps. The relative column densities of several neutral atoms are
plotted for two models: One with default OTS (dashed lines) and one with the 'no
lya OTS' command used. The three different plots are for three different iron
atoms; default, 99 levels, and 371 levels. I noticed when 'no lya OTS' is used,
all three iron atom models give very similar results.

Doug

--- In cloudy_simulations@yahoogroups.com, "doug_edmonds@..." <doug_edmonds@...>
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> Hi Gary,
>
> I have posted the plots you requested. They are Lya_Fe_default.ps,
Lya_Fe_99.ps, and Lya_Fe_371.ps.
>
> Cheers,
> Doug
>
> --- In cloudy_simulations@yahoogroups.com, "Gary J. Ferland" <gjferland@>
wrote:
> >
> > We might cut to the chase and look at the Lya destruction rates. This is
> > column 9 of the punch hydrogen lya command. What does Lya destruction vs
> > depth look like for the three different versions?
> >
>





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Hi, Nahum Arav's grad student, Doug Edmonds, came across a problem as he tried to replicate the ionization structure of an AGN-photoionized cloud in Figure 8...
Kirk Korista
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Jun 20, 2009
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Hi Kirk, Why are you sure this is a problem? Keep in mind that the zones do not have fixed thickness and are likely to increase just past the ionization...
Ryan Porter
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Jun 22, 2009
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Hi Ryan, I am sorry I was not more clear on that issue. Depth space is indeed where we see the abrupt "cliff". Doug noticed the "problem" when he plotted the...
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Jun 23, 2009
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vertical cliff. I ran this exact model, and many others of differing parameters (density, U) using C06 and C07 and never encountered this cliff before. I can...
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Jun 23, 2009
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Hello everyone, I posted a plot: fig8_He_1*.ps Thank you for your time. Doug...
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Jun 24, 2009
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the 2 ^S density should, to some level of approximation, be given by a balance equation line equation 4 and 5 of ApJ 442, 714. it is proportional to the...
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... Hi Gary, I plotted the relative column density of He 1* using formula 5 from ApJ 442, 714. The file is coldens.ps. Doug...
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Hi Kirk and Doug, The proximate cause of the plummeting 2^3S population is photoionization by Ly alpha. You can see this by including the command "no OTS lya"...
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Jun 24, 2009
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Hi Ryan, Gary, and Kirk, Thank you very much for your suggestions. This discussion has been a big help. Cheers, Doug...
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Hi Ryan, Thanks very much for your suggestions. Yes, the results were converged in all of the models that we've run. Some, like the one we posted, had some...
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Hi, The 3 recently posted postscript plots (Fe_16.ps, Fe_99.ps, Fe_371.ps) are the result of an experiment that I asked Doug to run. The input parameters are...
Kirk Korista
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Hi Kirk and Doug, Thanks for checking into this. These are interesting results. It looks to me increasingly likely that the new line overlap treatment is ...
Ryan Porter
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Hi Kirk, here are a few things that I think are happening. in its default state the code does FeII with the lowest 16 levels as in the real atom, then the...
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Gary, I don't disagree with anything you wrote, but none of it explains the differences between C07 and C08. Kirk, does C07 show the slower depopulation for...
Ryan Porter
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We might cut to the chase and look at the Lya destruction rates. This is column 9 of the punch hydrogen lya command. What does Lya destruction vs depth look...
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Hi Gary, I have posted the plots you requested. They are Lya_Fe_default.ps, Lya_Fe_99.ps, and Lya_Fe_371.ps. Cheers, Doug...
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Hi Kirk, I have posted three more plots. These are OTS_Fe_default.ps, OTS_Fe_99.ps, and OTS_Fe_371.ps. The relative column densities of several neutral atoms...
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... Gary and Ryan, So if you've taken look at the 3 recent plots (Lya_Fe_xxx.ps) that Doug Edmonds has posted, there are enormous differences in the Lya ...
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Ryan, To try to finish this off, I'll first say that C07 does indeed behave similarly to C08 in this regard. I made that statement re. C07 before I realized...
Kirk Korista
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Hi Kirk, Thanks for clarifying this. I was becoming skeptical about the supposed C07/C08 differences but had not gotten around to a systematic test. I have...
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Hi Kirk, Just to reiterate what Ryan said, there is nothing different between changing the default FeII atom to 20, 99, or 371 levels. The coding is exactly...
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Hi Gary and Ryan, Thanks for your help and insight. I respond below to Gary's statements, with a remaining question at the end. ... Ok, yes, that's about what...
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Hi Gary and Ryan, Let me go out on a limb and suggest a possible explanation for my question at the bottom of the post below. As I've written below, naively I...
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