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RE: [CMMi Process Improvement] Is walkthrough a validation technique?

As long as that “End Customer” is the end-customer for the work product being validated, not necessarily (or only) the end-customer for the “end product” then I would also agree.

 

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From: cmmi_process_improvement@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cmmi_process_improvement@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andre Heijstek
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 6:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [CMMi Process Improvement] Is walkthrough a validation technique?

 

If it is performed with the (end) customer, with the intention to capture the intention of the customer, then yes, in my view.

 

Andre.

 

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On 19 nov 2008, at 17:17, Orhan Kalayci wrote:



Is walkthrough a validation technique?

Peace,
Orhan
Toronto
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SPIRITofCMMI/ 

 
Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:25 pm

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If it is performed with the (end) customer, with the intention to capture the intention of the customer, then yes, in my view. Andre. Groet, Gruß, Regards, ...
Andre Heijstek
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11:12 pm

As long as that “End Customer†is the end-customer for the work product being validated, not necessarily (or only) the end-customer for the “end ...
Jeff Dalton - Broadsw...
jrd200x
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4:37 pm

Andre, You disappointed me. I was thinking you were the only one (other than me:) who really understood what VAL is all about, but you too reduced VAL into...
Orhan Kalayci
orhankalayci...
Offline Send Email 		Nov 21, 2008
4:39 pm

Hi Orhan, I think you missed the bit on "intended use" in the VAL purpose. Isn't the user/customer the only one who can determine what the intended use is? ...
Andre Heijstek
andreheijstek
Offline Send Email 		Nov 22, 2008
8:47 am

Hi Andre, You did not miss the intended use part of VAL which is good but do you think it is a valid excuse to forget the other two parts: Intended ...
Orhan Kalayci
orhankalayci...
Offline Send Email 		Nov 22, 2008
6:44 pm

Orhan, You give yourself way too much credit. Peace _____ From: cmmi_process_improvement@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cmmi_process_improvement@yahoogroups.com] On...
Larry Fellows
deepblue948
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6:44 pm

Larry, You would think someone would at least be an LA or instructor before being so smug! Jeff Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ... From: "Larry...
jeff@...
jrd200x
Offline Send Email 		Nov 22, 2008
7:14 pm

In fact, we are talking about process improvement here, but I cannot speak for this guy, if he is improving at all....
Ling Lui
linglui77
Offline Send Email 		Nov 23, 2008
3:05 pm

Orhan, You are participating in a forum attended by many experts with years of experience in this area, you are the only one that shares your interpretation of...
Rob Leinen
rob.leinen
Offline Send Email 		Nov 22, 2008
6:44 pm

Rob, Orhan is also the only one who understands the "spirit" of CMMI. So VAL is not the only topic in which he is the expert. He appears to be making an...
jeff@...
jrd200x
Offline Send Email 		Nov 22, 2008
7:14 pm

Yes, Rob, there is something wrong here I should be either an idiot or a genius :) Pease, Orhan Toronto Http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SpiritofCMMI Sent from...
Orhan Kalayci
orhankalayci...
Offline Send Email 		Nov 24, 2008
5:48 am

My bet is rather on schizo......
Ling Lui
linglui77
Offline Send Email 		Nov 24, 2008
1:46 pm

Karyn, On the other hand, when our testers get around to testing that requirement by putting the military radio in extreme cold for 6 or more hours, that would...
Patrick OToole
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6:44 pm

Orhan, When generating use cases, customers are projecting the use of the system in the intended environment and by the people intended to use it. Isn't that...
Patrick OToole
pactotoole
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6:44 pm

Pat, Yes, you are missing something :) - You are missing the importance of seeing the product or product component in the intended environment. I hope after ...
Orhan KALAYCI
orhankalayci...
Offline Send Email 		Nov 27, 2008
3:51 am

Orhan, I think we probably agree on this more than we disagree, but I also think we're coming at it from orthogonal view points. From my point of view, I...
PACT.otoole@...
pactotoole
Offline Send Email 		Nov 27, 2008
5:50 pm

Pat, You disappointed me, too :) Disappointment 1 - There are three attributes of Validation - 1) Intended use 2) Intended Environment 3) End product or...
Orhan KALAYCI
orhankalayci...
Offline Send Email 		Nov 30, 2008
4:06 am

Dear all, I think it is not the way of review (peer review, walkthrough, UAT...) to distinguish Var from Ver. It is decided by who did the activity. If the...
Frank Lin
frankmclin
Offline Send Email 		Nov 30, 2008
4:24 pm

Actually, if the question being asked in a review or walkthrough is "will this work as needed in the future environment" as opposed to "is this doing what we...
Heather Oppenheimer
heatheroppen...
Offline Send Email 		Nov 27, 2008
5:51 pm

It is a verification technique....
n l
nikhileshkala
Offline Send Email 		Nov 24, 2008
6:34 pm

An inspection is a structured team review of a software product. A walkthrough is less formal than an inspection. The product is presented to an audience that...
linglui77
Offline Send Email 		Nov 26, 2008
11:32 pm

Do not forget the Heather's comment - Validation is interested in future and verification in past. To validate a work product we should create the future...
Orhan KALAYCI
orhankalayci...
Offline Send Email 		Nov 27, 2008
3:51 am

Inspection is formal & Tollgate review , an entry criteria for most of the validation task it is having structured process with defined roles for participant...
satyarth dubey
satyarthdubey
Offline Send Email 		Nov 27, 2008
5:50 pm

Hi, I like to view Validation as any activity that tries to catch defects introduced due to inherent limitations of the 'requirements definition process'....
Sanjay Chitnis
sanchitnis
Offline Send Email 		Nov 28, 2008
2:41 pm

Sanjay, Thanks. This is a good explanation of validation. I appreciated your comment on the AND relation of the three validation attributes. 1) Intended User...
Orhan KALAYCI
orhankalayci...
Offline Send Email 		Nov 30, 2008
4:06 am

Orhan, Sorry to disappoint you, but sometimes I just don't understand where the heck you're coming from. Your message below is an outstanding example of that....
Patrick OToole
pactotoole
Offline Send Email 		Nov 30, 2008
4:24 pm

Orhan, Here's a simple question for you: If the user, customer, or their surrogate is NOT involved in a validation activity, then who is shedding additional...
Patrick OToole
pactotoole
Offline Send Email 		Nov 30, 2008
4:24 pm

Hi Pat, Customer or end user should be involved but wouldn't be good if we would provide them with a prototype or stimulation that they can put it in the...
Orhan Kalayci
orhankalayci...
Offline Send Email 		Dec 2, 2008
5:31 am

Frank, If you'll agree to change "by" to "with" I would totally agree with you. That is, "If the activity is done WITH the buyer (acquirer)...it is VAR." I'm...
Patrick OToole
pactotoole
Offline Send Email 		Dec 1, 2008
4:12 am

Pat, Very good, thanks for your advice. I agree with your change from "by" to "with". Regards, Frank 2008/12/1 Patrick OToole <PACT.otoole@...> ... Pat, ...
Frank Lin
frankmclin
Offline Send Email 		Dec 1, 2008
1:13 pm
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