Re: [CMMi Process Improvement] ISO 9001:2008 vs. CMMI
Boris/Ed
Thanks for the comments. Agree that business objectives drive process improvement and we can set any business objectives as needed. Questions remain.
Not measuring customer satisfaction is OK with CMMI appraisal but not OK for a ISO 9001 certification?
ISO9001 certification takes about a year and one 10th of cost of CMMI rating. I saw constantly that federal selicitation requires CMMI rating but not ISO certification. The difference between the two is that ISO 9001 is top down documentation while CMMI being bottow up. There might be overlapping process documentations between tthe two. Doing top down first and then bottom up makes sense to me from the persspective of improving the company.
Would like to hear companies who have done both.
Jerry
--- On Fri, 7/10/09, EDWARD F WELLER III <edwardfwelleriii@...> wrote:
From: EDWARD F WELLER III <edwardfwelleriii@...> Subject: Re: [CMMi Process Improvement] ISO 9001:2008 vs. CMMI To: cmmi_process_improvement@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 8:12 PM
JErry,
the CMMI MA and OPP/QPM Process areas say your measurement systems should be part of meeting customer needs and business objectives - via a somewhat long chain of logic
Therefore if customer satisfaction is an important measure/objective, then it should show up in implementing and executing these process areas.
This would be a rather low level criterion in making the decision on which to implement
More to the point, CMMI is a model, ISO is a standard for certification purposes, and this difference should be well understood in terms of business needs as part of the decision
JErry, the CMMI MA and OPP/QPM Process areas say your measurement systems should be part of meeting customer needs and business objectives - via a somewhat...
I have worked with and appraised organizations that did not have ISO 9001 certification but they set as their measurement objective to measure customer...
Boris/Ed  Thanks for the comments. Agree that business objectives drive process improvement and we can set any business objectives as needed. Questions...
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