Neil, Terrific point! So "involvement" at some level is the key, not necessarily seeing the user's/customer's scowling face in the room. Nice addition! Pat ...
Pat, Very good, thanks for your advice. I agree with your change from "by" to "with". Regards, Frank 2008/12/1 Patrick OToole <PACT.otoole@...> ... Pat, ...
Hi Orhan, It seems you miss a major point in the CMMI. The order of process areas in the staged model is not the order in which to perform the PA's, but the...
And to build upon what Andre has said, the CMMI is model for IMPROVING your existing processes. Henry Henry Schneider President/Senior Principal Consultant ...
Andre, My English should be so bad. I am saying the same thing with you. What I am trying to say is that let us make it explicit: Eng PAs should be in all...
Hi Pat, Customer or end user should be involved but wouldn't be good if we would provide them with a prototype or stimulation that they can put it in the...
Sorry for the confusion. What I was trying to say is going from ML2 to ML3 may require some organizations to jump from CL0 or CL1 to CL3 in some Eng PAs. ...
Hi Hillel, I fully agree with you that most of us have the same intention. Intention of correct interpretation of the CMMI but we know that too many people...
If the involvement is the key, can someone explain how does IV&V (Independent Ver & Val without customer's involement?) work? Frank 2008/12/1 Patrick OToole...
Orhan, I find it VERY hard to reconcile your various posts. On the one hand, in your latest post in this thread, you say, "...wouldn't be good if we would...
Orhan, A car manufacturer is considering a new feature to reduce the number of highway collisions based on lane changes that result in accidents involving a...
Frank, I think you can perform the "V" portion of IV&V, but not the "V" portion. Whoops - I mean I believe that you can do Verification bit with just the...
Well Bruce, I am not sure if a DAR was used, but I definitely feel that referring these links will favor our group people, to stretch beyond their thinking in...
Pat, Thanks for taking time to analyse my messages. Have you read 14 points of Deming? When I first read them years ago I did not realize the contradictions...
Hi Ashok, Certainly everyone's entitled to share an opinion. The reason I asked about use of a DAR process was to better understand the point you were trying...
Heheheh.. Reminds me of the Pied Piper. Peace, etc... Paul http://spistuff.blogspot.com ... I ... fourth ... there ... stone ... the ... or ... like ... of ......
Dear Paul, Are you knowledgeable about Deming's 14 points? Furthermore are you able to describe the contradictions among them? Finally, are you able to explain...
Hi Orhan, Yes. No. No. No. Yes. The point of my brief comment was that I feel dizzy reading your threads. No offense, just the effect I am getting. Maybe I am...
Jeff, As you wish :)) Let me start educating you on 14 points of Deming. Our training will be based on assignments. So your first assignment is: . Take a pen...
Orhan,  14 points? 10 Paper? I'm already confused.  Jeff ... From: Orhan Kalayci <orhan.kalayci@...> Subject: Re: [CMMi Process Improvement] Re:...
Jeff, No worries, you successfully understood the one pen :) This is surely a progress, we should be celebrating this, you are going to come to SEPG 2009,...
... How can I write 14 points if I am allowed to use the pen only 10 times? Can I draw a line to join the remaining 4 points? Sanjay Chitnis ... How can I...
Sanjay, Very good, you started to realize the contradictions although they are not what I meant :))) You also deserved a drink, just remind me when we meet. ...
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