Orhan, And I believe they shouldn't. So, where does that leave us? Regards, Pat ... From: orhankalayci2001 To: cmmi_process_improvement@yahoogroups.com Sent:...
Orhan, It seems to me that the SEI has already provided a perfectly good means by which your clients can improve their processes by addressing the engineering...
Orhan, "Remember that all models are wrong; the practical question is how wrong do they have to be to not be useful." George Edward Pelham Box. For me CMMI is...
Hi Henry, I will be glad if you help me to position MA responsible within a project hierarchy. You know in ML2 each project should be free to choose how to...
Orhan, At ML2 each project MAY be free to choose how to implement their processes - not SHOULD. Just because the model ALLOWS maturity level 2 to be...
Hi Orhan, This is a very easy question to answer. If you go to the CMMI book page 254 and read the sentence at the top of the page (informative material in...
Ignore them? Make snide remarks? Answer every email to illuminate the uncouth? Make fun of them? I suggest we ask them to take the discussion off-line, even...
Et tu, Henry?? I believe that there is a difference between where MA is FOCUSED, and where the responsibility for that FOCUS is housed within an a given...
Hi Jeff, If you did not attempt to answer my question then should I perceive your answer as you being disrespectful? I am sorry but I perceived your answer as...
Pat, Henry, et al  Actually, it seems rather a no-brainer that MA should be organizationally focused, and not project focused.  Sure, the processes used to...
oh jeez Orhan, Enough with the drama. ... From: Orhan Kalayci <orhan.kalayci@...> Subject: Re: [CMMi Process Improvement] Re: My interpretation for why...
Jorge, How about everyone telling them the truth? I propose we all say "hey list hog.." Warm Regards, Jeff Jeff Dalton, President and CEO Broadsword Certified...
Hi Jeff, What I was trying to communicate is that where MA belongs is context dependant. If the org is just coming to grips with ML 2, there may not even be a...
Jeff, I agree with you, but I don't believe you can start a metrics program from that perspective. I agree that the ultimate goal for an organization seeking...
Rob, You described very well what skipping from ML1 to ML3 means. I hope it will help some who do not understand the importance of skipping ML2. -- Obviously...
Pat, You very well described how an organization should go from CL1 to CL3 for MA - letting projects to try and error different approaches - which is called...
Hi Henry, Everything on life is context dependent. Our context here is an organization going from ML1 to ML2. I like your first message was better where you...
I disagree rather stridently with the idea that it will harm the organization if you consider organizational standards as you implement ML2, which isn't...
You guys are taking this too seriously.  Sit back and play the stock market like I do and enjoy a cold glass of Texas Shiner Bock beer... ML2, ML3... man,...
Hold on there big guy, Let’s not put words in my mouth. I am merely advocating that, based on my personal experiences, low maturity organizations can...
Joe, I opened a Texas Shiner Bock and turned on the movie, Broadcast News - and it obviously didn't help! Any other suggestions??? Regards, Pat ... From: Joe...
Orhan, When an ML2 organization begins addressing ML3, should they: A. Develop an organizational Risk Management process, or B. Let each project struggle...
Orhan, And I would contend that you are confusing AN implementation approach with THE implementation approach. Isn't a bit presumptuous to tell senior...
Rebecca, I guess you took intro to CMMI-Dev course, right? The instructer should have explained why you should not skip level(s) neither CL nor ML and...
I really wanted to drop out of this conversation; however there is a view or three that have been overlooked, and some assumptions that have been made or...
OK big guy, :) I did not want to put words in your mount, I thought you are an enlightened one who understands and appreciates the importance of not skipping...
Orhan, can you explain why it would be beneficial to an organization to start out by telling each project "okay, you guys figure out how to do it yourselves,"...
