Hi, All,

I am really excited about this. Can't beat it for the price.

During what hours will the Code Camp actually take place and is there
direction to the particular building or location on the Reed campus
were we will all meet, at least initially (sign-in, etc.)?

Thanks.

Hello all.

Will anyone else have any Significant Others (wives, husbands,
girl/boy friends, large pets etc.) coming along to code camp? I know
Zman mentioned his girlfriend was going to be coming along.

Would anyone be interested in having the S.O.s get themselves
organized to hit the Portland sites while the rest of us are at camp?

--
Peter Stathakos
Vancouver, BC
pstathakos@...
http://geekswithblogs.net/pstathakos/

There isn't a mailing list for the presenters (a good idea in hindsight
:)

If you have a summary for a session you've already submitted, send it to
me.

If you have a session idea that you haven't talked with anyone about
yet, check the Tracks page as Rich suggested.

FYI, we'll be publishing the session list later today... almost 50
sessions to date!

Thanks
-Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: codecamp_pdx@yahoogroups.com [mailto:codecamp_pdx@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Rich Claussen
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 12:06 PM
To: codecamp_pdx@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [codecamp_pdx] Re: Presenters

You bet there's a list, Scott! Just go to
http://pacwest.ms/codecamp/pdx/1/tracks.html and you will find the
names and a email link. If none of the tracks fit your presentation
exactly, just send to Stuart's link near the bottom.

--- In codecamp_pdx@yahoogroups.com, Twister <twister002@y...> wrote:
> Where should we send our outlines and summaries for
> our presentations? Is there a mailing list for the
> presenters?
>
> Scott
>
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Yahoo! Groups Links

You bet there's a list, Scott! Just go to
http://pacwest.ms/codecamp/pdx/1/tracks.html and you will find the
names and a email link. If none of the tracks fit your presentation
exactly, just send to Stuart's link near the bottom.

--- In codecamp_pdx@yahoogroups.com, Twister <twister002@y...> wrote:
> Where should we send our outlines and summaries for
> our presentations? Is there a mailing list for the
> presenters?
>
> Scott
>
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Where should we send our outlines and summaries for
our presentations? Is there a mailing list for the
presenters?

Scott

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From: codecamp_pdx@yahoogroups.com [mailto:codecamp_pdx@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of brittnpeggy
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:02 PM
To: codecamp_pdx@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [codecamp_pdx] Camp Registration

I'm not able to discover where I go to regisiter.  Would you advise?





Yahoo! Groups Links

I'm not able to discover where I go to regisiter.  Would you advise?

Another option - from my days at Reed, I recall that the school
rents out dorm rooms for occasions such as this.

Having lived there for a couple years, I can tell you that what
you'll get at Reed, aside from size and the lack of a personal
bathroom, is really pretty good in many cases.

Stuart - have we asked Reed about the possibility of renting out
some dorm rooms? I'd suggest Bragdon, by the way, if you get a
change to specify the building...

- Rory
- http://neopoleon.com

--- In codecamp_pdx@yahoogroups.com, "Zman ." <thezbuffer@g...>
wrote:
> [from my other mail....but now also in the hotels thread]
>
> As for where to stay - portland always has decent hotel deals on
the
> bigger hotels through their 'big deal' program
> http://www.portlandbigdeal.com/. Not sure what your budget is but
> generally these prices are lower than going direct to the hotel.
I'll
> be at the sheraton, $109 per night. Bit pricey than I would
normally
> go but my girlfriend is with me and since she may well have to
spend
> the weekend with a bunch of geeks it was the least I could do.
>
>
> On 7/5/05, Stuart Celarier <scelarier@c...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Good points, Brad and DonXML. The après nerd thing is tres
important.
> >
> >
> >
> > Is anyone on the list familiar with the hotel lounges near the
Convention
> > Center? Inquiring minds want to know.
> >
> >
> >
> > The McMenamins on Broadway [1] is also within easy striking
distance of the
> > Convention Center hotels, and it's open until 1AM.
> >
> >
> >
> > You should also know that on Friday evening we'll be getting
together for a
> > pre-camp social session at a brew pub starting around 6pm, with
Scott
> > Hanselman giving a Tips Talk for new presenters. I expect some
heckling and
> > encouragement from the peanut gallery. And Saturday evening
we're trying to
> > put together something fun and social as well.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> >
> > [1] http://www.mcmenamins.com/index.php?loc=32
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I'd be shocked if we had anything less than 1024x768 (by a strange
coincidence, I'd also be shocked if we had anything more).

Anyway, Reed took enough of my money over the two years I was there
to buy more than a few of those bastards. Hopefully that money was
spent wisely.

- Rory
- http://neopoleon.com

--- In codecamp_pdx@yahoogroups.com, Brad Wilson <dotnetguy@g...>
wrote:
> What resolution will the presentation projectors be running at? Is
it
> safe to assume 1024x768 will good clarity?
>
> Thanks...
>
> --
> Brad Wilson
> http://www.dotnetdevs.com/
> http://www.agileprogrammer.com/dotnetguy/
>
> "Big-endian byte ordering, while not wrong, is morally
indefensible."
>   - Shawn Van Ness

What resolution will the presentation projectors be running at? Is it
safe to assume 1024x768 will good clarity?

Thanks...

--
Brad Wilson
http://www.dotnetdevs.com/
http://www.agileprogrammer.com/dotnetguy/

"Big-endian byte ordering, while not wrong, is morally indefensible."
   - Shawn Van Ness

[from my other mail....but now also in the hotels thread]

As for where to stay - portland always has decent hotel deals on the
bigger hotels through their 'big deal' program
http://www.portlandbigdeal.com/. Not sure what your budget is but
generally these prices are lower than going direct to the hotel. I'll
be at the sheraton, $109 per night. Bit pricey than I would normally
go but my girlfriend is with me and since she may well have to spend
the weekend with a bunch of geeks it was the least I could do.


On 7/5/05, Stuart Celarier <scelarier@...> wrote:
>
>
> Good points, Brad and DonXML. The après nerd thing is tres important.
>
>
>
> Is anyone on the list familiar with the hotel lounges near the Convention
> Center? Inquiring minds want to know.
>
>
>
> The McMenamins on Broadway [1] is also within easy striking distance of the
> Convention Center hotels, and it's open until 1AM.
>
>
>
> You should also know that on Friday evening we'll be getting together for a
> pre-camp social session at a brew pub starting around 6pm, with Scott
> Hanselman giving a Tips Talk for new presenters. I expect some heckling and
> encouragement from the peanut gallery. And Saturday evening we're trying to
> put together something fun and social as well.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
> [1] http://www.mcmenamins.com/index.php?loc=32
>
>
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Normally, I'd be happy to but I'm actually coming to portland on my
way back from a few days at the oregon coast.

As for where to stay - portland always has decent hotel deals on the
bigger hotels through their 'big deal' program
http://www.portlandbigdeal.com/. Not sure what your budget is but
generally these prices are lower than going direct to the hotel. I'll
be at the sheraton, $109 per night. Bit pricey than I would normally
go but my girlfriend is with me and since she may well have to spend
the weekend with a bunch of geeks it was the least I could do.


On 7/5/05, Twister <twister002@...> wrote:
> I'll be coming down. Maybe Saturday night. I have a
> previous appt. Saturday morning, so I'll be missing
> that days worth of presentations.
>
> Scott (Lazycoder.com)
>
> --- Jason Olson <jolson88@...> wrote:
>
> > Brad, you might want to talk to Andy "Zman" Dunn. I
> > believe he is coming
> > down from that area.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jason Olson
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > [mailto:codecamp_pdx@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of Brad Wilson
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 11:43 AM
> > To: Portland Code Camp
> > Subject: [codecamp_pdx] Anybody coming from Seattle?
> >
> >
> >
> > Trying to get a feeling for whether there are
> > carpool opportunities,
> > where people are staying, etc.
> >
> > --
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> >
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Brad,

That's been the case for the other Code Camps.  It is important to
declare a hotel as Conference Central, and hopefully the out of
towners will stay there or at least nearby.  The main requirement for
a hotel to be conference central is the quality of the bar/lounge.  It
can't be too upscale, but can't be a dive either, with room for a
large crowd to hang out and feel comfortable.

Damn, I'll already jealous just thinking about how much fun you guys
are going to have.  I'm already make 3 trips out West in Sept thru
early Nov. so there is no way I can make it, but it is killing me not
to attend.

And to make matters worse, the next Boston Code Camp is scheduled the
weekend between the PDC and the MVP Summit, so I don't think I'll be
attending that Code Camp either.


Don

--- In codecamp_pdx@yahoogroups.com, Brad Wilson <dotnetguy@g...>
wrote:
> Thanks, Stuart.
>
> In my opinion, there's at least as much value in the after
festivities and
> talking/drinking/eating with everyone as there is with the sessions
> themselves. I'm hoping that the out of towners can standardize on
someplace
> (hopefully with a bar and/or restaurant) so there will be a common
place for
> after-sessions congregation Saturday night. :)
>
> - Brad

I'll be coming down. Maybe Saturday night. I have a
previous appt. Saturday morning, so I'll be missing
that days worth of presentations.

Scott (Lazycoder.com)

--- Jason Olson <jolson88@...> wrote:

> Brad, you might want to talk to Andy “Zman” Dunn. I
> believe he is coming
> down from that area.
>
>
>
> Jason Olson
>
> Software Developer / Musician
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Email - HYPERLINK
> "mailto:jolson88@..."jolson88@...
>
> Website - HYPERLINK
>
"http://www.managed-world.com"http://www.managed-world.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: codecamp_pdx@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:codecamp_pdx@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Brad Wilson
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 11:43 AM
> To: Portland Code Camp
> Subject: [codecamp_pdx] Anybody coming from Seattle?
>
>
>
> Trying to get a feeling for whether there are
> carpool opportunities,
> where people are staying, etc.
>
> --
> Brad Wilson
> HYPERLINK
>
"http://www.dotnetdevs.com/"http://www.dotnetdevs.com/
> HYPERLINK
>
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http://www.agileprogrammer.com/dotnetguy/

"Big-endian byte ordering, while not wrong, is morally indefensible."
   - Shawn Van Ness

-----Original Message-----
From: codecamp_pdx@yahoogroups.com [mailto:codecamp_pdx@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh Williams
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 10:09
To: codecamp_pdx@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [codecamp_pdx] Re: Look who's presenting at Portland Code Camp - and why not you?

I might be interested in presenting a session on moving to 64-bit
processors in the .net world. Would people be interested in that?

-josh
http://blogs.msdn.com/joshwil


--- In codecamp_pdx@yahoogroups.com, "Stuart Celarier"
<scelarier@c...> wrote:
> Check out the new Presenters page on the Portland Code Camp
website:
>
> 
>
> http://pacwest.ms/codecamp/pdx/1/presenters.html
>
> 
>
> Twenty-three, count them, 23 presenters so far, and more on the
way!
> Keep an eye out for additions as well as session announcements
soon.
>
> 
>
> Looking at the list of presenters reminds me: why don't you join
them?
>
> 
>
> If you're interested in presenting a session, send me a message at
> stuart.celarier [at] ineta [dot] org.
>
> 
>
> Never presented before? Code Camp has got you covered! This is the
place
> to try out something new, you are among friends. And we're putting
> together a Friday evening pre-camp event with expert presenters to
give
> you tips and tools, answer your questions, and put your mind at
ease.
>
> 
>
> Oh, yeah. One more thing. Sure we're going to have some great door
> prizes for attendees. But we've also got a couple of XBoxes for
randomly
> selected presenters. Think it over and let us know.
>
> 
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stuart
>
> 
>
> Stuart Celarier | Corillian Corporation | INETA User Group Liaison,
> PacWest region

I might be interested in presenting a session on moving to 64-bit
processors in the .net world. Would people be interested in that?

-josh
http://blogs.msdn.com/joshwil


--- In codecamp_pdx@yahoogroups.com, "Stuart Celarier"
<scelarier@c...> wrote:
> Check out the new Presenters page on the Portland Code Camp
website:
>
>
>
> http://pacwest.ms/codecamp/pdx/1/presenters.html
>
>
>
> Twenty-three, count them, 23 presenters so far, and more on the
way!
> Keep an eye out for additions as well as session announcements
soon.
>
>
>
> Looking at the list of presenters reminds me: why don't you join
them?
>
>
>
> If you're interested in presenting a session, send me a message at
> stuart.celarier [at] ineta [dot] org.
>
>
>
> Never presented before? Code Camp has got you covered! This is the
place
> to try out something new, you are among friends. And we're putting
> together a Friday evening pre-camp event with expert presenters to
give
> you tips and tools, answer your questions, and put your mind at
ease.
>
>
>
> Oh, yeah. One more thing. Sure we're going to have some great door
> prizes for attendees. But we've also got a couple of XBoxes for
randomly
> selected presenters. Think it over and let us know.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
> Stuart Celarier | Corillian Corporation | INETA User Group Liaison,
> PacWest region

Well yeah, kind of. There's always some old
application that's been around for ever that someone
wants to add a new form to or print from. Or there's
some software package that the IT dept purchased but
it doesn't QUITE do everything they want so they
figure "Hey, you can just modify this right? All we
want to do is change this one thing, that's easier
than writing it from scratch right?". Which means that
you have to try and get inside this other developers
head and figure out how the app all fits together.
Where it's "pain points" are and how to deal with
them.

Sometimes the old apps just stop working. Next thing
you know, you're pouring over Apache logs or SQL
T-logs  and event logs trying to figure out
a) when it died
b) what it was doing when it died.
c) How to get it running again before everyone gets
back from lunch and your phone starts ringing.

In a lot of ways, working on legacy code is a like
being a CSI. You might not have access to the source
code and somebody might have obfuscated the public
methods. So you start passing in random things and
looking for your arguments in the output.

Hmmmm, I should be able to get an hour out of this.
Heck between some techniques and the horror stories
that I'm sure are to come during any Q&A I'd probably
go over an hour.

You know another presentation I'd like to see?
"Requirements gathering as an art". It's not really
code related. But it'd be interesting to see how other
people gather requirements, drag what the user REALLY
wants out of them despite their best efforts to tell
you that they want an app that "looks like a
spreadsheet".


--- Stuart Celarier <scelarier@...> wrote:

> Forensic Development, what's that? It sounds
> interesting!
>
>
>
> Do you do code path pathologies, or what? Tell us
> more.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
> Stuart Celarier | Corillian Corporation | INETA User
> Group Liaison,
> PacWest region
>
>
>
>




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Check out the new Presenters page on the Portland Code Camp website:

 

http://pacwest.ms/codecamp/pdx/1/presenters.html

 

Twenty-three, count them, 23 presenters so far, and more on the way! Keep an eye out for additions as well as session announcements soon.

 

Looking at the list of presenters reminds me: why don’t you join them?

 

If you’re interested in presenting a session, send me a message at stuart.celarier [at] ineta [dot] org.

 

Never presented before? Code Camp has got you covered! This is the place to try out something new, you are among friends. And we’re putting together a Friday evening pre-camp event with expert presenters to give you tips and tools, answer your questions, and put your mind at ease.

 

Oh, yeah. One more thing. Sure we’re going to have some great door prizes for attendees. But we’ve also got a couple of XBoxes for randomly selected presenters. Think it over and let us know.

 

Cheers,

Stuart

 

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