This is for independent, part time, professional independent programmers (hackers?) who want to turn their passion for code into some beer money, possibly even a steady income, A LIVING.

We are not talking programming per say. Rather, we discuss the promoting, vending, licensing, and other business aspects of the matter. We are small businesses, one man operations, hobbyists, part time developers, even pros wanting to break out of cube hell and make some cash doing what we love.

The idea is to discuss programming and marketing programming. This is a DISCUSSION list, not a one man newsletter. Get in there and post something!

SPAM will not be tolerated. However, links to sites which sell something are permitted in the links area.

You must apply to join, and explain why you would fit in this list. Tell the listmaster something about yourself, and what you do which relates to this list.

new members are moderated until the moderator or owner take you off. We will not tolerate spam or wildly off topic posts; all else is fair game, have at!

PHOTO: The ABC machine, claimed to be the first computer by some, cira 1938.