hi all... i recently bought imageprint for my 2400.  most recently before
getting ip, i'd been using epson abw with an mis gray ink in the yellow slot,
using qtr-linearize.

is there any way, or any point, to using qtr-linearize with ip?

thanks
ed

If you choose "No Paper Selected" on the printer, it won't (or shouldn't) be a
problem.  The Media Type is controlled entirely by ImagePrint when you send each
job.  We often leave our printer set on whatever pops up as the default, or just
don't set it at all, and it works just fine.
However, you really have to pay attention to the Media Type in ImagePrint, and
be aware that it is setting the feed speed and the thickness, which determines
how quickly the printer lays down ink, how long it dries, and how fast to move
the paper.

You'll find that quite often a different Media Type setting works better than
the standard option or matching option to the actual paper you're using.

We talked with Colorbyte support about problems we were having on a number of
papers on the 9900, and they suggested completely different Media Type settings
than we would have otherwise been using.  They said it's all about thickness: in
fact, even many fine art roll papers will work much better if you choose Velvet
Fine Art Sheet as the Media Type (even if you're printing on rolls, and have set
roll as the type in the main IP window).
Very thin papers, or this fabrics, work better with the "Proofing Paper
Semimatte" Media Type, regardless of the fact that there are other thin paper
Media Type options...

Hope that helps.

As was mentioned before, the one thing you do have to set on the printer,
however, is the Platen Gap.

-Joe


--- In colorbyte_imageprint@yahoogroups.com, "heritage_imaging"
<heritage_imaging@...> wrote:
>
> I wonder what happens if you choose "NO PAPER SELECTED" on the printer's
console?
>
> Does that let the software take control?
>

We've been going back and forth with Colorbyte support on the black bleeding,
shadows-blocking, contrasty print issue for a few months now.

We finally talked to someone face to face at a recent seminar (just last week)
and they are addressing the problem internally.  We thought it was just us and
our 9900, but we can get perfect prints without the contrast problem or blacks
bleeding or shadows blocking - when printing directly out of the Epson driver
from Photoshop.  Same image printed using ImagePrint yeilds unusable results.

It appears to be a problem primarily on the matte papers, especially the more
porous fine art papers.

Colorbyte said they were having trouble getting accurate linearization on a
number of matte media types with the new x900 series of printers.  They are
"working on it".

In the meantime, the only thing we've been able to do to get a good print is
a) run it on our old 9800 or 7600
b) run it from the Epson driver out of Photoshop, bypassing ImagePrint entirely
c) use a completely different profile (like the Epson Hotpress Bright White or
Hotpress Natural for just about any fine art matte media), set the Media Type to
Velvet Fine Art Sheet (even if you're using a roll), and set the Ink Limit to
75-85%.  Prints won't be as contrasty, and will lose a little bit of punch, but
in most cases are still passable.

Hope that helps.
Good luck until they figure out the problem and either update their software or
issue all new profiles with new ink linearization fixes.

-Joe


--- In colorbyte_imageprint@yahoogroups.com, "heritage_imaging"
<heritage_imaging@...> wrote:
>
> The ImagePrint profiles for my new 9900 are losing a bit of shadow detail even
when I adjust the black point slider all the way to 100 and regardless of
perceptual versus relative colorimetric rendering intent.
>
> I'm specifically testing Epson Enhanced Matte, Somerset Velvet for Epson, and
Epson Canvas Satin.  The output with these media and the stock x900 profiles is
too contrasty.
>
> Do any of the 3rd party profile editing and analysis tools work with
ImagePrint profiles?
>
> ColorThink Pro
>
> ProfileMaker 5
>
> Monaco Profiler
>
> Fuji Colour Suite
>
> Other???
>
> I've never used a profile editor, but it seems like that's what I need at this
point.
>
> Playing with the tone curve in the ImagePrint color correction dialogue seems
like a possibility, but it has no numeric entry, so results would be a pain to
repeat.  Plus, having to reduce contrast with a tone curve is not good.
>
> I DO NOT want to have to modify original image files in PhotoShop to be
specific to the new printer.  The solution needs to be part of the profile if at
all possible.
>
> Other suggestions for making slight adjustments to the ImagePrint profiles?
>
> Thanks.
>
> - Brad
>

I replied by a mail directly to Otakar, because I thought he was in trouble.
This was my suggestion:
"v7 build 1.0.3.0 runs under SnowL. Try the Easy Updater, which can be found on
CB's site under Downloads. If that doesn't help, try the Full Installer."
/Sven
--- In colorbyte_imageprint@yahoogroups.com, Otakar Sroubek <o.sroubek@...>
wrote:
>
> It's been a while since I've used IP version 7 on my Mac. I'm using the Epson
7600.  It worked fine
> but today I upgraded to Snow Leopard 10.6.3. IP print opens but when I send a
print command to
> print, nothing happens. I open Spool Face and there is nothing in there. Is
there a work around for
> this or do I have to get rid of some preferences etc?
>
> ===
> Posted through Grouply
> Create your own group!
> www.grouply.com
>
> .. . .. . .. . .. .. ... .... . . . ... . .. ... .
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
>
>
> type_D
>
> . ... .. . ... . . . .... ... .. .. . .. . .. . ..
>

This week I've been printing on Epson HotPress Nat, Canson Photographique +
Aquarelle.
No problems on those matte papers with the 9900.
But I've just tested to do my own profiles on the x900, properly tagged
according the specs. from CB. And there I had some mismatch on matte papers with
perceptual rendering. To low contrast and to bright!. With relative, ok.
But I have a method to measure and control a certain profiles accuracy, and will
do that
tomorrow, both my own and IP's.
Another annoying thing is maximum black on RGB-files. While it's almost no
different between perc. and relative on matte papers or with the driver, it's
quite a big one on glossy/semigloss. One example with Ep.Exhibiton, in PS RGB
0-0-0, gray 100%.
Measured  L value:
Gray perc 0= 6.7
Gray rel 50= 6.7
RGB perc 0= 4.7
RGB rel 50= 13.1

/Sven

--- In colorbyte_imageprint@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <findingbalance@...> wrote:
>
> We've been going back and forth with Colorbyte support on the black bleeding,
shadows-blocking, contrasty print issue for a few months now.
>
> We finally talked to someone face to face at a recent seminar (just last week)
and they are addressing the problem internally.  We thought it was just us and
our 9900, but we can get perfect prints without the contrast problem or blacks
bleeding or shadows blocking - when printing directly out of the Epson driver
from Photoshop.  Same image printed using ImagePrint yeilds unusable results.
>
> It appears to be a problem primarily on the matte papers, especially the more
porous fine art papers.
>
> Colorbyte said they were having trouble getting accurate linearization on a
number of matte media types with the new x900 series of printers.  They are
"working on it".
>
> In the meantime, the only thing we've been able to do to get a good print is
> a) run it on our old 9800 or 7600
> b) run it from the Epson driver out of Photoshop, bypassing ImagePrint
entirely
> c) use a completely different profile (like the Epson Hotpress Bright White or
Hotpress Natural for just about any fine art matte media), set the Media Type to
Velvet Fine Art Sheet (even if you're using a roll), and set the Ink Limit to
75-85%.  Prints won't be as contrasty, and will lose a little bit of punch, but
in most cases are still passable.
>
> Hope that helps.
> Good luck until they figure out the problem and either update their software
or issue all new profiles with new ink linearization fixes.
>
> -Joe

Rocky,
I run IP7 with Mac 10.5.8 and have the same problem you were having with the
printer not ready 0xf000000. The strange part is that the printer worked for one
job, then I switched photos and size and have not got it to work yet. Did you
find out anything new that might help with my problem. I have tried everything.
Thanks
T. J.




> I basically gave up and ran IP7 under OS X 10.5.x.  It's a nuisance, but I'm
> not going to upgrade to version 8 at this time.
>
> I should try out your solution to see if it will work for me, whenever I get
> the chance.
>
> Thanks for filling me in on your success story.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Rocky
>

I have 2 Macs, one Mac pro and one Mac mini, They are linked over my network.
I have the same version of Photoshop on both machines. All the Photoshop prefs
are the sameon both machines.
  If I run a colour balance using identical settings on each machine on the same
image (in this case a Sepia tone) and save the files I get different results
when printing.
Both files are kept on the Mac Pro, and then printed via the mac Mini using
identical settings (profile) in Imageprint.
One is colder than the other.

I'll run this past you again.
Same image
Same version of Photoshop.
Same version Snow Leopard
Same Photoshop settings throughout
Same Colour balance settings on both Macs
Saved in the same folder on the Mac Pro.
Printed at the same time via Imageprint 7 RIP on Epson 9800.
One print much warmer than the other!!!
Help please.
1 Oll.

--- In colorbyte_imageprint@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Neilsen" <e.neilsen2@...>
wrote:
>
> Check all the setting in Image Print so that the profiles are all the same,
> same intent, same proof set up.
>
>
>
> What happens if you take an image and apply the Sepia setting and save it.
> Print it with Image Print from that computer. Open it with  Image print from
> the other machine and print it. Get PS out of the equation. Only work with
> your Image Print setting.
>
>
>
> Eric Neilsen
>
> 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
>
> Dallas, TX 75226
>
> 214-827-8301
>
>
>
>  <http://ericneilsenphotography.com/forum1> Let's Talk Photography
>
> www.ericneilsenphotography.com
>
> SKYPE ejprinter
>
>
>
> From: colorbyte_imageprint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:colorbyte_imageprint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of brianollier
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 11:09 AM
> To: colorbyte_imageprint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [colorbyte_imageprint] Different Colours on two Macs?Both printed
> via same Imageprint RIP one computer.
>
>
>
>
>
> I have 2 Macs, one Mac pro and one Mac mini, They are linked over my
> network.
> I have the same version of Photoshop on both machines. All the Photoshop
> prefs are the sameon both machines.
> If I run a colour balance using identical settings on each machine on the
> same image (in this case a Sepia tone) and save the files I get different
> results when printing.
> Both files are kept on the Mac Pro, and then printed via the mac Mini using
> identical settings (profile) in Imageprint.
> One is colder than the other.
>
> I'll run this past you again.
> Same image
> Same version of Photoshop.
> Same version Snow Leopard
> Same Photoshop settings throughout
> Same Colour balance settings on both Macs
> Saved in the same folder on the Mac Pro.
> Printed at the same time via Imageprint 7 RIP on Epson 9800.
> One print much warmer than the other!!!
> Help please.
> 1 Oll.
>

NOTE: Images are PREPARED on two computers but printed via Imageprint on Mac
Mini. So all Imageprint settings are indentical.

Images are PREPARED on different machines, same version of PS same settings,
saved on our MacPro then printed via imageprint 7 on a MacMini, but with
different results.




--- In colorbyte_imageprint@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Neilsen" <e.neilsen2@...>
wrote:
>
> Check all the setting in Image Print so that the profiles are all the same,
> same intent, same proof set up.
>
>
>
> What happens if you take an image and apply the Sepia setting and save it.
> Print it with Image Print from that computer. Open it with  Image print from
> the other machine and print it. Get PS out of the equation. Only work with
> your Image Print setting.
>
>
>
> Eric Neilsen
>
> 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
>
> Dallas, TX 75226
>
> 214-827-8301
>
>
>
>  <http://ericneilsenphotography.com/forum1> Let's Talk Photography
>
> www.ericneilsenphotography.com
>
> SKYPE ejprinter
>
>
>
> From: colorbyte_imageprint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:colorbyte_imageprint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of brianollier
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 11:09 AM
> To: colorbyte_imageprint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [colorbyte_imageprint] Different Colours on two Macs?Both printed
> via same Imageprint RIP one computer.
>
>
>
>
>
> I have 2 Macs, one Mac pro and one Mac mini, They are linked over my
> network.
> I have the same version of Photoshop on both machines. All the Photoshop
> prefs are the sameon both machines.
> If I run a colour balance using identical settings on each machine on the
> same image (in this case a Sepia tone) and save the files I get different
> results when printing.
> Both files are kept on the Mac Pro, and then printed via the mac Mini using
> identical settings (profile) in Imageprint.
> One is colder than the other.
>
> I'll run this past you again.
> Same image
> Same version of Photoshop.
> Same version Snow Leopard
> Same Photoshop settings throughout
> Same Colour balance settings on both Macs
> Saved in the same folder on the Mac Pro.
> Printed at the same time via Imageprint 7 RIP on Epson 9800.
> One print much warmer than the other!!!
> Help please.
> 1 Oll.
>

Images are PREPARED on different machines, same version of PS same settings,
saved on our MacPro then printed via imageprint 7 on a MacMini, but with
different results.

Images are PREPARED on different machines, same version of PS same settings,
saved on our MacPro then printed via imageprint 7 on a MacMini, but with
different results.




--- In colorbyte_imageprint@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Neilsen" <e.neilsen2@...>
wrote:
>
> Check all the setting in Image Print so that the profiles are all the same,
> same intent, same proof set up.
>
>
>
> What happens if you take an image and apply the Sepia setting and save it.
> Print it with Image Print from that computer. Open it with  Image print from
> the other machine and print it. Get PS out of the equation. Only work with
> your Image Print setting.
>
>
>
> Eric Neilsen
>
> 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
>
> Dallas, TX 75226
>
> 214-827-8301
>
>
>
>  <http://ericneilsenphotography.com/forum1> Let's Talk Photography
>
> www.ericneilsenphotography.com
>
> SKYPE ejprinter
>
>
>
> From: colorbyte_imageprint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:colorbyte_imageprint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of brianollier
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 11:09 AM
> To: colorbyte_imageprint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [colorbyte_imageprint] Different Colours on two Macs?Both printed
> via same Imageprint RIP one computer.
>
>
>
>
>
> I have 2 Macs, one Mac pro and one Mac mini, They are linked over my
> network.
> I have the same version of Photoshop on both machines. All the Photoshop
> prefs are the sameon both machines.
> If I run a colour balance using identical settings on each machine on the
> same image (in this case a Sepia tone) and save the files I get different
> results when printing.
> Both files are kept on the Mac Pro, and then printed via the mac Mini using
> identical settings (profile) in Imageprint.
> One is colder than the other.
>
> I'll run this past you again.
> Same image
> Same version of Photoshop.
> Same version Snow Leopard
> Same Photoshop settings throughout
> Same Colour balance settings on both Macs
> Saved in the same folder on the Mac Pro.
> Printed at the same time via Imageprint 7 RIP on Epson 9800.
> One print much warmer than the other!!!
> Help please.
> 1 Oll.
>

Images are PREPARED on different machines, same version of PS same settings,
saved on our MacPro then printed via imageprint 7 on a MacMini, but with
different results.

I've been using an Epson 4800 with IP for several years. I upgraded to IP 8,
when I upgraded my computer system to Windows 7.

Colorbyte announced this morning that IP 8 now supports the Epson 4900. I'm
considering upgrading but would like some feedback from those of you who have
used the Epson x800 and Epson x900 series printers with IP as to how much of an
improvement in print quality is visible due to the improved ink set on the x900
printers.

Thanks in advance for your advice.

Jeff Kott
San Francisco

Jeff - I worked for many years with a 7800 and ImagePrint VI before
recently switching to a 7900 and IP VIII.  I notice a number of
improvements.  The additional green and orange inks help to allow a
better separation in printing between reds, oranges, and magentas;
skin tones are better, and in general, tonal transitions see a bit
smoother.  I also enjoy the fact that the new printer is faster and
quieter than the earlier ones!

Stephen Petegorsky

Hi folks

I'm Tracy Valleau, newest guy here. In my 60's. Been shooting for over 50 years.
Been digital since 2001. Used to teach digital photography at the graduate
school level. Website is aperturef8.com.

Got my IP v8 a couple of days ago for my 3800. Been printing and learning. Am
pretty happy so far. No problems tech-wise, (I started working for Apple back in
1978, and have been a computer programmer/consultant ever since.)

All that said, I'd not mind getting some opinions re IP. Specificially, I shoot
raw (D300), and process thru Lightroom into PS CS5 as ProPhoto 16. I spend time
in PS, because I like tweaking my photo for best possible reproduction (else I
wouldn't have got IP, eh ?  :-)

So... question is this: any suggestions re keeping the output to IP in ProPhoto,
or is it better to convert at the last minute to Adobe RGB98?

Has anyone any experience comparing these two... or even other suggestions for
optimal workflow to get images into IP8 ?

I do both color and B&W; print on Ilford Smooth Pearl and GFS. Gekko Green.
Mostly PK stuff; matte when the image requires it.

TIA  and happy holidays to one and all.

Best wishes,

Tracy Valleau

"Don't believe everything you think."
www.aperturef8.com

Much to my surprise, when I compare the size of any of the IP profiles to either
canned ones, or the ones I hand made with ColorMunki, the IP profiles are
significantly smaller.

What am I failing to understand here?

(Not complaining, just surprised and confused.)

TIA

If you compare them in ColorThink, you don't see any, or very small, difference.
/Sven

--- In colorbyte_imageprint@yahoogroups.com, "tvalleau" <tracy@...> wrote:
>
> Much to my surprise, when I compare the size of any of the IP profiles to
either canned ones, or the ones I hand made with ColorMunki, the IP profiles are
significantly smaller.
>
> What am I failing to understand here?
>
> (Not complaining, just surprised and confused.)
>
> TIA
>

It makes no difference to print directly to IP with ProP.RGB. But to be sure
what's happening, it's a good idea to softproof the IP-profile in PS / ProP.RGB.
On the other hand, it doesn't exist a monitor to display the whole ProP gamut.
I'm happy to own a Eizo CG221, which at least cover the whole AdobeRGB gamut.

/Sven

--- In colorbyte_imageprint@yahoogroups.com, "tvalleau" <tracy@...> wrote:
>
> Hi folks
>
> I'm Tracy Valleau, newest guy here. In my 60's. Been shooting for over 50
years. Been digital since 2001. Used to teach digital photography at the
graduate school level. Website is aperturef8.com.
>
> Got my IP v8 a couple of days ago for my 3800. Been printing and learning. Am
pretty happy so far. No problems tech-wise, (I started working for Apple back in
1978, and have been a computer programmer/consultant ever since.)
>
> All that said, I'd not mind getting some opinions re IP. Specificially, I
shoot raw (D300), and process thru Lightroom into PS CS5 as ProPhoto 16. I spend
time in PS, because I like tweaking my photo for best possible reproduction
(else I wouldn't have got IP, eh ?  :-)
>
> So... question is this: any suggestions re keeping the output to IP in
ProPhoto, or is it better to convert at the last minute to Adobe RGB98?
>
> Has anyone any experience comparing these two... or even other suggestions for
optimal workflow to get images into IP8 ?
>
> I do both color and B&W; print on Ilford Smooth Pearl and GFS. Gekko Green.
Mostly PK stuff; matte when the image requires it.
>
> TIA  and happy holidays to one and all.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Tracy Valleau
>
> "Don't believe everything you think."
> www.aperturef8.com
>

So I understand...  I've written to the ColorThink folks to see if they can
explain what the difference is between their software and the Apple Colorsync
Utility.

Thanks, Sven. (I should have mentioned that I have a monitor that covers 96% of
the AdobeRGB space...)

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the colorbyte_imageprint
group.

   File        : /Notes on ImagePrint 6_rev4.pdf
   Uploaded by : alland20854 <mitchalland@...>
   Description :

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/colorbyte_imageprint/files/Notes%20on%20ImagePrint\
%206_rev4.pdf

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html
Regards,

alland20854 <mitchalland@...>

If you save your images as .psd, you don't have to flatten them. Not even with a
text layer.
Just be sure that you have a "Background". (And no alpha channels)
/Sven

--- In colorbyte_imageprint@yahoogroups.com, Tony Bennett <tonybennett@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Tracy
>
> I use IP7 with the 3800. It produces good results, at least as comparable to
PS printing direct. Conversely, I am disappointed in prints from Lightroom; they
are dark, apparently a common problem.
>
> My papers are usually from a UK company called Fotospeed. At my request they
sent a shed-load of papers to IP for profiling. Apparently, the papers are the
same as certain other own-branded retailers, in the US, so not every paper
needed a new profile. If anyone knows who these other resellers are, or the
original manufacturer, I would be interested to know.
>
> I work in Photoshop on raw images and export as 16-bit TIFF files. I find I
have to flatten the images before printing and this can be an inconvenience.
Occasionally I forget to flatten the image and that produces rubbish from the
printer.
>
> Best wishes from the UK for Christmas and the New Year
>
> Tony
>

I am a new user of IP8.  I really like the quality, but there was a strange
behavior that I want to ask about.  When I change from matte to photo black, and
vice-versa, with the next printing from IP8 my Epson7900 goes into a cleaning
mode.  As far as I can tell this does not happen when using the Epson driver
from Photoshop.  I would rather control cleaning and not have it done by IP8.

Does anyone know about this behavior and how it can be controlled?

Thanks,
Mike

--- In colorbyte_imageprint@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Petegorsky <petegorsky@...>
wrote:
>
> Mike - at the printer's LCD panel you will see a Menu button.  If you press
that and then scroll to "Printer Setup", you can then scroll down to "Auto
Nozzle Check".  When you select that, you will see three options:
"On:Periodially", "On: Every Job", and "Off."
>
> Selecting "Off" should make it so that the printer doesn't appear to be
cleaning/doing nozzle checks when you don't want it to.
>
> Good luck,
> Stephen Petegorsky
>


Stephen,

Thanks.  I have had the auto nozzle check set to off since I got the printer a
year ago.  That is why the behavior was so strange.  It only happened with IP
and only when I changed between PK and MK.

Any other thoughts.

Best,
Mike

--- In colorbyte_imageprint@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Petegorsky <petegorsky@...>
wrote:
>
> Sorry Mike; I haven't had my 7900 long enough to know it that well, and
haven't had that particular problem.  It may be because I haven't switched
between MK and PK yet...
>
> Stephen
>

Thanks Stephen,

I will run more tests and post the results.

Best,
Mike

When switching between PK>MK, or the reversed, a cleaning cycle is triggered by
the printers system. And that has nothing to do with IP. Or shouldn't.
The auto cleaning when switching is only performed on the Pk/Mk channel, and
waist only
1-2 ml ink.
I know some users that starts the printer in Service Mood, where you can switch
without the auto-cleaning after. More of a trick for a faster change. But then
you have to beware of eventually clogs by yourself, and manually do the
cleaning.

/Sven

--- In colorbyte_imageprint@yahoogroups.com, "lightner_m" <lightner@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In colorbyte_imageprint@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Petegorsky <petegorsky@>
wrote:
> >
> > Mike - at the printer's LCD panel you will see a Menu button.  If you press
that and then scroll to "Printer Setup", you can then scroll down to "Auto
Nozzle Check".  When you select that, you will see three options:
"On:Periodially", "On: Every Job", and "Off."
> >
> > Selecting "Off" should make it so that the printer doesn't appear to be
cleaning/doing nozzle checks when you don't want it to.
> >
> > Good luck,
> > Stephen Petegorsky
> >
>
>
> Stephen,
>
> Thanks.  I have had the auto nozzle check set to off since I got the printer a
year ago.  That is why the behavior was so strange.  It only happened with IP
and only when I changed between PK and MK.
>
> Any other thoughts.
>
> Best,
> Mike
>