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Re: Everything is changing?



Thanks for your reply!

Just to make sure, do you mean the "DNC and the Moment-Interval Archetype"
thread? I've searched through the forum for the "archetype" keyword and this was
the best hit:)

Cheers
Gyula

--- In colormodeling@yahoogroups.com, "vernonstinebaker" <vernon.stinebaker@...>
wrote:
>
> You might be interested in another related discussion on the
featuredrivendevelopment.com website if you've not looked there already.
>

> Color may indeed change depending on the perspective from which you are
modeling. Sometimes the domain neutral component also helps us identify
something that's missing. In the example below, you note "from one viewpoint the
student is a role, from another it's a moment-interval ('being a student')".
Roles, by there nature are usually time bound. But is there something that makes
a student a student? Enrollment, perhaps? Would adding this make the application
more complex? Cohesive classes are one of the tenets of OOD. Sometimes when
something feels like it's missing, it is.
>

> You're not alone in sometimes encountering difficulty in deciding how to best
model a given system. When this happens consider looking for what's missing, and
in many cases in my experience a better model will emerge.

>
> --- In colormodeling@yahoogroups.com, "Gyula" <csomgyula@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone!:)
> >
> > Having some experience in modeling, though limited in color modeling I have
a question which seems typical for me:
> >
> > (At least for me) it seems that everything is changing and bound to time:
things, parties and descriptions, too. And in many cases (office-like, auditing,
etc.) systems has to preserve the older record versions and many of them needs
to store time data. How does this effect colour modeling?
> >
> > For instance take the Student Registration domain:
> >
> > From one viewpoint the Adress is a thing, from another it's a
moment-interval (for instance the street can be renamed resulting in different
address versions for the same place). How should one model this situation? What
will be the archetype of an address version?
> >
> > From one viewpoint the Student is a role, from another it's a
moment-interval ("being a student" has a start and end date). How should one
model this situation? Should we split the student entity into a role- and a
moment-interval entity, introducing unnecessary complexity? Or should we merge
them introducing an entity having two different archetypes.
> >
> > Any idea? Anyone who met similar situations?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Gyula
> >
>





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Hi everyone!:) Having some experience in modeling, though limited in color modeling I have a question which seems typical for me: (At least for me) it seems...
Gyula
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You are correct. Colors are defined by the relationship of the object with others ... collaborations. Yet there is usually a color that is dominant. If there...
Nuno Lopes
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Thanks for your reply:) As you adviced I ran through the "Choosing your Model Context Strategy" chapter. Just to make sure I understand your thoughts: do you...
Gyula
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... Yes. ... Yes. In a particular context there is a dominant color. If the dominant color of the concept of student is Pink (Moment-Interval) probably for ...
Nuno Lopes
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You might be interested in another related discussion on the featuredrivendevelopment.com website if you've not looked there already. Color may indeed change...
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Oct 27, 2009
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Thanks for your reply! Just to make sure, do you mean the "DNC and the Moment-Interval Archetype" thread? I've searched through the forum for the "archetype"...
Gyula
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Oct 27, 2009
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It's great to see some traffic on this list. :-) Student is a role played by a person - correct. It is never a moment-interval. A Student might enroll for a...
David Anderson
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Thank you for your answer!:) Regarding the student question... When you refer to the term "student" do you mean the general term (the student role!) or a...
Gyula
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In David's example there would be three classes on the diagram: a Person (green), a Student (yellow), and an Enrollment (pink). In your later example, the...
Daniel Vacanti
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Oct 27, 2009
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Gyula, Dan has answered this for you and I cannot add to his answer. David David Anderson Blog: http://www.channelkanban.com/ Blog:...
David J. Anderson
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Hi Gyula, ... I suggest you to have a look at the Event Sourcing pattern to capture events from the mobile system. ... I understand the need to preserve older...
Nuno Lopes
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I'm not authorized to go into details, so I try other but similar samples. 1. Say you have a weather forecasting company. You run a central system which stores...
Gyula
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Hi Gyula ... I would say you need both the data and the rules lead to such decision. ... If it is functional business requirement belongs to analysis as much ...
Nuno Lopes
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Yes! It makes sense:) Storing events (eg. the changes, the deltas) is a nifty approach. I think this approach also relates to non-functional apsects of the...
Gyula
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... True. But you can use rolling snapshots. But the question is how many times you need to dig in to the far past to find justifications for a business...
Nuno Lopes
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The rolling snapshot is a nifty idea:) Regarding the banking example I see your opinion (at least I think so). Processing operative data (actual rules) and...
Gyula
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Hi For brief introduction to historic values and snapshots see http://www.step-10.com/SoftwareDesign/ModellingInColour/HistoricValues.html For a brief...
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I'm going out in the limb here. There are far more proficient people reading this list then me so they may correct me any time. Price is usually a value object...
Nuno Lopes
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Hi Nuno -- Try starting with Product (description), in blue of course, rather than a (thing). That description may include certain "fixed" value attributes...
Ken Ritchie
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PS, Nuno -- I just saw Palmer's message... [Date: Oct 28, 2009 10:40 AM] Start with his first link, on "Historic Values" ...and keep reading. Steve -- you...
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Thanks for the input Ken. ... It depends on the domain. In a warehouse all products have an SKU so product is this context is a thing. Yet for cataloguing, UPC...
Nuno Lopes
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Hi David, ... Agreed, ... Not so sure here. From analysis point of view yes, but from a design stand point not so sure ... ... In a domain you might find for...
Nuno Lopes
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Nuno, I can't disagree with your post. You are clearly very good at color modeling. However, I would caution against mixing implementation detail with...
David J. Anderson
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... Agreed. That is the beauty of DNC and SOM Patterns. They help discovering the domain to great detail, not leaving one rock unturned. ... I'm very...
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