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Re: [colormodeling] Re: Everything is changing?

Hi David,

Student is a role played by a person - correct.

Agreed,

It is never a moment-interval.

Not so sure here. From analysis point of view yes, but  from a design stand point not so sure ...

A Student might enroll for a class or have a period of registration for a degree or a set of classes. The pink moment-interval would be the PeriodOfRegistration or Enrollment.

In a domain you might find for whatever reason there is a 1:1 relationship between Person, Student and Registration, Course Period and Course.
Take for instance people registering for your courses. You might be interested in simply managing students of a course, not tracking registrations of the same student to different courses.

So here Person, Student and Registration will collapse into one class. You have to make a choice between Student and Registration
The same goes to Course and Course Period.

So you end up with an association between a Role and a Thing (If the choice was for Student and Course).

So given this new information Student is pink or is yellow? I would say it is both yet it defaults to yellow. Furthermore in code I would make it explicit that Student absorbed the concept of Registration and Person by the means of interface,

class Student : IPerson, IRegistration .,,,,

So yes, it true that Student is Yellow yet (IRegistration) Student) is pink and ((IPerson) Student) is green.

What do you think?

Nuno



Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:43 pm

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You are correct. Colors are defined by the relationship of the object with others ... collaborations. Yet there is usually a color that is dominant. If there...
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Thanks for your reply:) As you adviced I ran through the "Choosing your Model Context Strategy" chapter. Just to make sure I understand your thoughts: do you...
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... Yes. ... Yes. In a particular context there is a dominant color. If the dominant color of the concept of student is Pink (Moment-Interval) probably for ...
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You might be interested in another related discussion on the featuredrivendevelopment.com website if you've not looked there already. Color may indeed change...
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Thanks for your reply! Just to make sure, do you mean the "DNC and the Moment-Interval Archetype" thread? I've searched through the forum for the "archetype"...
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It's great to see some traffic on this list. :-) Student is a role played by a person - correct. It is never a moment-interval. A Student might enroll for a...
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Thank you for your answer!:) Regarding the student question... When you refer to the term "student" do you mean the general term (the student role!) or a...
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In David's example there would be three classes on the diagram: a Person (green), a Student (yellow), and an Enrollment (pink). In your later example, the...
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Gyula, Dan has answered this for you and I cannot add to his answer. David David Anderson Blog: http://www.channelkanban.com/ Blog:...
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Hi Gyula, ... I suggest you to have a look at the Event Sourcing pattern to capture events from the mobile system. ... I understand the need to preserve older...
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I'm not authorized to go into details, so I try other but similar samples. 1. Say you have a weather forecasting company. You run a central system which stores...
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Hi Gyula ... I would say you need both the data and the rules lead to such decision. ... If it is functional business requirement belongs to analysis as much ...
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Yes! It makes sense:) Storing events (eg. the changes, the deltas) is a nifty approach. I think this approach also relates to non-functional apsects of the...
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... True. But you can use rolling snapshots. But the question is how many times you need to dig in to the far past to find justifications for a business...
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The rolling snapshot is a nifty idea:) Regarding the banking example I see your opinion (at least I think so). Processing operative data (actual rules) and...
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Hi For brief introduction to historic values and snapshots see http://www.step-10.com/SoftwareDesign/ModellingInColour/HistoricValues.html For a brief...
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I'm going out in the limb here. There are far more proficient people reading this list then me so they may correct me any time. Price is usually a value object...
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Hi Nuno -- Try starting with Product (description), in blue of course, rather than a (thing). That description may include certain "fixed" value attributes...
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PS, Nuno -- I just saw Palmer's message... [Date: Oct 28, 2009 10:40 AM] Start with his first link, on "Historic Values" ...and keep reading. Steve -- you...
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Thanks for the input Ken. ... It depends on the domain. In a warehouse all products have an SKU so product is this context is a thing. Yet for cataloguing, UPC...
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Hi David, ... Agreed, ... Not so sure here. From analysis point of view yes, but from a design stand point not so sure ... ... In a domain you might find for...
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Nuno, I can't disagree with your post. You are clearly very good at color modeling. However, I would caution against mixing implementation detail with...
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... Agreed. That is the beauty of DNC and SOM Patterns. They help discovering the domain to great detail, not leaving one rock unturned. ... I'm very...
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