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Re: [comis] Re: COMIS - Atrium Simulation Questions

Vince,

>     According to your solution for the modelling of atrium:
>
> >>    Taking all these objections together, I conclude that your best
> plan
> >>for getting reasonable answers is as follows: (1) model the atrium
> as a
> >>single zone; (2) use COMIS to find the zone-to-zone flows; (3) let
> >>TRNSYS determine the heat balance in the atrium; (4) if TRNSYS does
> not
> >>provide it, use a CFD or correlation model to estimate the resulting
> >>density distribution in the atrium; then (5) enter the new density
> >>distribution in the COMIS input file, then re-run COMIS. Repeat
> until
> >>you converge to a solution (which probably will take four or five
> major
> >>iterations at most).
>
>    I am not quite sure about step (5). In (5), do I need to separate
> the atrium into several imaginary levels and give each imaginary zones
> different temperatures? Or simply, how to feed COMIS with the density
> distribution in the atrium?

COMIS has, or used to have, an input section called &-NET-ZL (zone
layers). This section allows you to prescribe variations of
temperature (and pollutant concentration) with height inside a single
zone. I believe that the temperature profile is expressed in terms of
gradients from a given value, which can change dynamically with time.

When finding the pressure drops across each flow element (as part of
the airflow calculations), COMIS will honor the temperature profile
described there.

>    Furthermore, this solution is only for a given external condition.
> If the condition is changing, (such as an annual weather data), do you
> have any good solutions to simulate the atrium?

No, I do not have any good solution to the problem of dynamic changes
in the profile itself. Sorry.

If anybody else on the board has an idea about this, please help us out
here!

-Dave


Tue Oct 9, 2007 11:18 pm

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Dear "COMIS" experts: I am now trying to simulate the air-flow in an office building with an big atrium in the middle, with TRNSYS and COMIS. Because of the...
Peng XU
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Sep 3, 2007
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Dear "COMIS" users: I am now trying to simulate the air-flow in an office building with an big atrium in the middle, with TRNSYS and COMIS. Because of the high...
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Oct 2, 2007
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dear Peng, I hope you can find mor detaild answar; I've been using comis in 2003-2004, to simulate a natural ventilated building with atrium to estract the...
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Oct 2, 2007
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Dear Xu Peng As mentioned by Marco, horizontal large openings are not included in COMIS (yet). I suggest to link the three atrium layers with normal crack...
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Oct 2, 2007
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Dear Viktor and Macro: Thanks for your kind help, but in COMIS 3.1 User guide, I've found the following instructions in "&-WI (Windows and Doors)" : Slanted...
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May be it's right, actualy I don't know. In last period, I have not been working with comis best regards, marco "Vince(Peng) XU" <p.xu4@...>...
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... As I understand it, to model the atrium, you want to draw an imaginary plane at some height, and then use that plane as a division between two imaginary...
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Dear David: Thanks very much for your detailed explanation that COMIS is not capable to deal with air flows that are dominantly caused by buoyancy effect...
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Vince, ... COMIS has, or used to have, an input section called &-NET-ZL (zone layers). This section allows you to prescribe variations of temperature (and...
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