Hi Bert,
just inspired to by that article to write and say that this part that I am most
passionate about with the site is having "Project" areas where you can start a
project and  upload pictures, site summary, discussion area etc so that others
can add support and see the porjects progress. There are so many projects
starting around the world with composting toilets and it would be great fo rthem
to feel that they have the support of a global network of volunteers/advocates
to call on, or just share their successes and failures etc.

Also, perhaps there is a case for extending beyond "composting toilets"? But
where to we stop then?

more to come!
Kev
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Bert Vercauteren
   To: compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: 30 May 2004 13:03
   Subject: [compost-toilet] India


   Here's a link to an interesting article : the story of a brave man
   working in India, developing sanitation with a vision. Although it
   is not about 100% dry toilets, it's going in the right direction. I
   was deeply moved by the ethical and social aspects of this project:

   http://www.islamonline.net/english/science/2003/09/article14.shtml

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Woops, Hi all on composting toilet forum,
sorry about that last posting to Bert, meant to be personal and sent by mistake.

But perhaps of interest to all as we are looking to make
www.compostingtoilet.org a non-profit site so that all can contribute and
participate etc and the many community projects that we receive enquiries from
all around the world are inspiring in realizing how far the word on CT's is
spreading.

Bert will keep you up to date on the non-profit change to site when we get a
group together and an agenda to move forward,
cheers,
Kevin Ison
Editor - www.compostingtoilet.org


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Dear all,

I've made a little report on the poll. It is available in the Files
as a PDF document for those interested.

Thanks to this clever poll I now know that 12.3% of you are
extremely happy in daily life and that 38.7% would never marry again!
But seriously, it has been very interesting, even if less than 20%
of the members voted. These voters are the most motivated members
and deserve the right to influence the course to steer.

Now that Kevin has leaked a part of our "hidden agenda", I can only
say : much more to come!

A big Thank you! to the voters!
Bert

Dear Group

Checking my compost pile today, I noticed a mouse going in and out of my
humanure compost which has kitchen waste as well. I usually make sure that the
pile has plenty of covering material (grass clippings) so I was surprised to see
the mouse. Should I be worried about this?



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Dear Donald

  As per my experience you don't woory about mouse they can not affects your pile
because they are comming due to kitchen waste addtion   because food for them is
available, but when degradation of waste is start  then they automatically go
out side pile.
Thanks with regards

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Bert,
Thanks for running the poll and doing such a nice job tabulating the
results.  Interesting.
Bob B. - Missouri USA

Hi Bob,

I agree with Kunwar Durg. Don't worry too much about mice, unless
they start entering the house! If it would really become a plaque,
you could start using some sort of compost bin or something, to
screen off the tasteful kitchen waste.
Some time ago, two abandoned cats walked into our place and decided
to stay. I've not seen a single mouse ever since!
How is your humanure toilet doing?

Best,
Bert.


--- In compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com, Robert Donald
<Robbies_ac3@y...> wrote:
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> Dear Group
>
> Checking my compost pile today, I noticed a mouse going in and out
of my humanure compost which has kitchen waste as well. I usually
make sure that the pile has plenty of covering material (grass
clippings) so I was surprised to see the mouse. Should I be worried
about this?
>
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Thank you for the compliments, Bob.
Bert.

--- In compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com, "pcbug99" <baileys@k...>
wrote:
> Bert,
> Thanks for running the poll and doing such a nice job tabulating
the
> results.  Interesting.
> Bob B. - Missouri USA

hi Sonsie,
Is it possible to send me the author nameof the composting toilet system
book?
Best regards
Eltahir.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sonsie Jamay" <sonsiejamais@...>
To: <compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [compost-toilet] Re: Role of sawdust in toilet


> Bert,
>
> That's true, although it would still require
> truckloads of carbonaceous materials to achieve the
> 25:1 C:N ratio for composting human excreta. For yard
> waste composting, we use a 4:1 C:N ratio. The easiest
> way to achieve that is with truckloads of waste wood
> chips. However, much of the carbon in these is not
> accessible as wood can take 5 years to break down.
>
> However, most of the nitrogen gasses off when the
> excreta is exposed. In a well-designed composting
> toilet, leachate is drained away, so actually much of
> the nitrogen is drained out of the toilet. Ideally,
> this is directed to an aerobic planter bed or a
> composter.
>
> Sonsie
>
> --- Bert Vercauteren <bertvercauteren@...>
> wrote:
> > Dear Sonsie,
> >
> > Thanks for your interesting post!
> >
> > <Carbon to nitrogen ratio is 25:1 but that's almost
> >  impossible to achieve.>
> > That's true for toilets, but not so impossible in a
> > mixed compost
> > pile : humanure composted together with garden and
> > kitchen refuse,
> > leaves, hay, straw, ect..
> >
> > Looking forward to see some of your pictures!
> > Best regards,
> > Bert.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com, Sonsie Jamay
> > <sonsiejamais@y...> wrote:
> > > Hi, all
> > >
> > > Again, sawdust (composting toilet additive, which
> > does
> > > not have to be sawdust) is simply to provide:
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Hi

The Composting Toilet System Book
Carol Steinfeld and David Del Porto

I bought it at a solar fair. I see it available on
their Web site:
http://www.ecowaters.org/products.html

I made a system available from the above Web site, and
the authors were very helpful with advice on
modifications for my situation.

Good luck to you.
Sonsie
Maine, USA

--- "ELTAHIR W.MALIK" <homi@...> wrote:
> hi Sonsie,
> Is it possible to send me the author nameof the
> composting toilet system
> book?
> Best regards
> Eltahir.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sonsie Jamay" <sonsiejamais@...>
> To: <compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [compost-toilet] Re: Role of sawdust in
> toilet
>
>
> > Bert,
> >
> > That's true, although it would still require
> > truckloads of carbonaceous materials to achieve
> the
> > 25:1 C:N ratio for composting human excreta. For
> yard
> > waste composting, we use a 4:1 C:N ratio. The
> easiest
> > way to achieve that is with truckloads of waste
> wood
> > chips. However, much of the carbon in these is not
> > accessible as wood can take 5 years to break down.
> >
> > However, most of the nitrogen gasses off when the
> > excreta is exposed. In a well-designed composting
> > toilet, leachate is drained away, so actually much
> of
> > the nitrogen is drained out of the toilet.
> Ideally,
> > this is directed to an aerobic planter bed or a
> > composter.
> >
> > Sonsie
> >
> > --- Bert Vercauteren <bertvercauteren@...>
> > wrote:
> > > Dear Sonsie,
> > >
> > > Thanks for your interesting post!
> > >
> > > <Carbon to nitrogen ratio is 25:1 but that's
> almost
> > >  impossible to achieve.>
> > > That's true for toilets, but not so impossible
> in a
> > > mixed compost
> > > pile : humanure composted together with garden
> and
> > > kitchen refuse,
> > > leaves, hay, straw, ect..
> > >
> > > Looking forward to see some of your pictures!
> > > Best regards,
> > > Bert.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com, Sonsie
> Jamay
> > > <sonsiejamais@y...> wrote:
> > > > Hi, all
> > > >
> > > > Again, sawdust (composting toilet additive,
> which
> > > does
> > > > not have to be sawdust) is simply to provide:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Hi Sonsie,
Thanks for the reply.
Best regards,
Eltahir
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sonsie Jamay" <sonsiejamais@...>
To: <compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 1:12 AM
Subject: Re: [compost-toilet] Re: Role of sawdust in toilet


> Hi
>
> The Composting Toilet System Book
> Carol Steinfeld and David Del Porto
>
> I bought it at a solar fair. I see it available on
> their Web site:
> http://www.ecowaters.org/products.html
>
> I made a system available from the above Web site, and
> the authors were very helpful with advice on
> modifications for my situation.
>
> Good luck to you.
> Sonsie
> Maine, USA
>
> --- "ELTAHIR W.MALIK" <homi@...> wrote:
> > hi Sonsie,
> > Is it possible to send me the author nameof the
> > composting toilet system
> > book?
> > Best regards
> > Eltahir.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sonsie Jamay" <sonsiejamais@...>
> > To: <compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:20 AM
> > Subject: Re: [compost-toilet] Re: Role of sawdust in
> > toilet
> >
> >
> > > Bert,
> > >
> > > That's true, although it would still require
> > > truckloads of carbonaceous materials to achieve
> > the
> > > 25:1 C:N ratio for composting human excreta. For
> > yard
> > > waste composting, we use a 4:1 C:N ratio. The
> > easiest
> > > way to achieve that is with truckloads of waste
> > wood
> > > chips. However, much of the carbon in these is not
> > > accessible as wood can take 5 years to break down.
> > >
> > > However, most of the nitrogen gasses off when the
> > > excreta is exposed. In a well-designed composting
> > > toilet, leachate is drained away, so actually much
> > of
> > > the nitrogen is drained out of the toilet.
> > Ideally,
> > > this is directed to an aerobic planter bed or a
> > > composter.
> > >
> > > Sonsie
> > >
> > > --- Bert Vercauteren <bertvercauteren@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Dear Sonsie,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your interesting post!
> > > >
> > > > <Carbon to nitrogen ratio is 25:1 but that's
> > almost
> > > >  impossible to achieve.>
> > > > That's true for toilets, but not so impossible
> > in a
> > > > mixed compost
> > > > pile : humanure composted together with garden
> > and
> > > > kitchen refuse,
> > > > leaves, hay, straw, ect..
> > > >
> > > > Looking forward to see some of your pictures!
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Bert.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com, Sonsie
> > Jamay
> > > > <sonsiejamais@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Hi, all
> > > > >
> > > > > Again, sawdust (composting toilet additive,
> > which
> > > > does
> > > > > not have to be sawdust) is simply to provide:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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The frontcover of some books, together with the corresponding
websites, can be found in Photos.
The link to the Composting Toilet System Book was an old one. It is
now updated (thanks Sonsie).
Anyone who knows a good book and has a frontcover picture, can
upload to Photos.

Bert

http://www.joseph-jenkins.com/books_humanure.html


--- "ELTAHIR W.MALIK" <homi@...> wrote:
> hi Sonsie,
> Is it possible to send me the author nameof the
> composting toilet system
> book?
> Best regards
> Eltahir.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sonsie Jamay" <sonsiejamais@...>
> To: <compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [compost-toilet] Re: Role of sawdust in
> toilet
>
>
> > Bert,
> >
> > That's true, although it would still require
> > truckloads of carbonaceous materials to achieve
> the
> > 25:1 C:N ratio for composting human excreta. For
> yard
> > waste composting, we use a 4:1 C:N ratio. The
> easiest
> > way to achieve that is with truckloads of waste
> wood
> > chips. However, much of the carbon in these is not
> > accessible as wood can take 5 years to break down.
> >
> > However, most of the nitrogen gasses off when the
> > excreta is exposed. In a well-designed composting
> > toilet, leachate is drained away, so actually much
> of
> > the nitrogen is drained out of the toilet.
> Ideally,
> > this is directed to an aerobic planter bed or a
> > composter.
> >
> > Sonsie
> >
> > --- Bert Vercauteren <bertvercauteren@...>
> > wrote:
> > > Dear Sonsie,
> > >
> > > Thanks for your interesting post!
> > >
> > > <Carbon to nitrogen ratio is 25:1 but that's
> almost
> > >  impossible to achieve.>
> > > That's true for toilets, but not so impossible
> in a
> > > mixed compost
> > > pile : humanure composted together with garden
> and
> > > kitchen refuse,
> > > leaves, hay, straw, ect..
> > >
> > > Looking forward to see some of your pictures!
> > > Best regards,
> > > Bert.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com, Sonsie
> Jamay
> > > <sonsiejamais@y...> wrote:
> > > > Hi, all
> > > >
> > > > Again, sawdust (composting toilet additive,
> which
> > > does
> > > > not have to be sawdust) is simply to provide:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Dear Birt and Sonsie,

I agree with the requirement of proper C:N ratio to compost humanure
applicable in tiolet as well. It is also true that wood contains lignin
and other tough materialas that requires lenghty time to be degraded. As
we all knows that the maitianing proper C:N ratio is major limitation in
aerobic composting of any target material. If we overlook the time
required for degradetion of saw dust/other woody waste, then manage to
trucks of it seems hard and limiting the applicability of composting
toilet. Therefore, it is better option to discard the nitrogeneous
materials rather than adding carboneous materils to maintain proper C:N
ratio in human feces to make it compostable. Now question arises that if
we have to discard the urine then is not again wasting a precious product
having good fertilizer value?

Pranveer


  PRANVEER S SATVAT, Research Scholar,
  WL-116, Environmental Eng. Lab, IIT Kanpur, KANPUR, UP:208 016, INDIA
  Tel#91(512)2597791/92 Fax#91(512)2597395/2590260
  Res: E-5,S.B.R.A.,IIT Kanpur,..Tel#91(512)2591416/2770733
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Daron Page wrote:

> http://www.joseph-jenkins.com/books_humanure.html
>
>
> --- "ELTAHIR W.MALIK" <homi@...> wrote:
> > hi Sonsie,
> > Is it possible to send me the author nameof the
> > composting toilet system
> > book?
> > Best regards
> > Eltahir.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sonsie Jamay" <sonsiejamais@...>
> > To: <compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:20 AM
> > Subject: Re: [compost-toilet] Re: Role of sawdust in
> > toilet
> >
> >
> > > Bert,
> > >
> > > That's true, although it would still require
> > > truckloads of carbonaceous materials to achieve
> > the
> > > 25:1 C:N ratio for composting human excreta. For
> > yard
> > > waste composting, we use a 4:1 C:N ratio. The
> > easiest
> > > way to achieve that is with truckloads of waste
> > wood
> > > chips. However, much of the carbon in these is not
> > > accessible as wood can take 5 years to break down.
> > >
> > > However, most of the nitrogen gasses off when the
> > > excreta is exposed. In a well-designed composting
> > > toilet, leachate is drained away, so actually much
> > of
> > > the nitrogen is drained out of the toilet.
> > Ideally,
> > > this is directed to an aerobic planter bed or a
> > > composter.
> > >
> > > Sonsie
> > >
> > > --- Bert Vercauteren <bertvercauteren@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Dear Sonsie,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your interesting post!
> > > >
> > > > <Carbon to nitrogen ratio is 25:1 but that's
> > almost
> > > >  impossible to achieve.>
> > > > That's true for toilets, but not so impossible
> > in a
> > > > mixed compost
> > > > pile : humanure composted together with garden
> > and
> > > > kitchen refuse,
> > > > leaves, hay, straw, ect..
> > > >
> > > > Looking forward to see some of your pictures!
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Bert.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com, Sonsie
> > Jamay
> > > > <sonsiejamais@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Hi, all
> > > > >
> > > > > Again, sawdust (composting toilet additive,
> > which
> > > > does
> > > > > not have to be sawdust) is simply to provide:
> > > >
> > > >
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Dear Pranveer,

It all depends on where the composting takes place : inside or
outside of the toilet. In the "sawdust toilet", invented by Joseph
Jenkins, there is no composting activity within the toilet. Sawdust
is added to cover the feces, bind the smells and absorb the urine.
Not to get a perfect C/N ratio in the toilet. It is in fact just a
bucket, that is emptied into a compost bin. So here, the urine goes
into the compost too and adds its nutricial value to the process.
This is one of the beauties of this ultra simple toilet.
It is necessary to add good amounts of carboneous materials to
balance this urine-enriched compost. But nature doesn't care about
accurate C/N ratios. If there are no bad smells coming from the
compost pile, you can be assured the composting will go well.

In most other composting toilets, urine is separated from the feces
and can flow to a greywater system or be used diluted as a
fertilizer or be poured or pumped into the compost. It is indeed too
valuable to be just discarded! My doctor even drinks fresh urine
every morning..I prefer my coffee :-)

Best regards,
Bert.




--- In compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com, P S Satvat pg ce
<pranveer@i...> wrote:
>
> Dear Birt and Sonsie,
>
> I agree with the requirement of proper C:N ratio to compost
humanure
> applicable in tiolet as well. It is also true that wood contains
lignin
> and other tough materialas that requires lenghty time to be
degraded. As
> we all knows that the maitianing proper C:N ratio is major
limitation in
> aerobic composting of any target material. If we overlook the time
> required for degradetion of saw dust/other woody waste, then
manage to
> trucks of it seems hard and limiting the applicability of
composting
> toilet. Therefore, it is better option to discard the nitrogeneous
> materials rather than adding carboneous materils to maintain
proper C:N
> ratio in human feces to make it compostable. Now question arises
that if
> we have to discard the urine then is not again wasting a precious
product
> having good fertilizer value?
>
> Pranveer
>
>
>  PRANVEER S SATVAT, Research Scholar,
>  WL-116, Environmental Eng. Lab, IIT Kanpur, KANPUR, UP:208 016,
INDIA
>  Tel#91(512)2597791/92 Fax#91(512)2597395/2590260
>  Res: E-5,S.B.R.A.,IIT Kanpur,..Tel#91(512)2591416/2770733
>  E-mail: pranveer@i...
>  Alternate E-mails: wormman@r..., wormman_india@y...,
>                     vermicomposter@y...
>

Hi BERT,
I THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE BOOKS IN THE PHOTOS SITE,BY THE WAY YOUR
DOCTOR IS HEALTHER THAN U CHECK THE URINE THERAPY WEB SITE , BERT.
MY BEST REGARDS
ELTAHIR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bert Vercauteren" <bertvercauteren@...>
To: <compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 6:50 AM
Subject: [compost-toilet] Re: Role of sawdust in toilet


> Dear Pranveer,
>
> It all depends on where the composting takes place : inside or
> outside of the toilet. In the "sawdust toilet", invented by Joseph
> Jenkins, there is no composting activity within the toilet. Sawdust
> is added to cover the feces, bind the smells and absorb the urine.
> Not to get a perfect C/N ratio in the toilet. It is in fact just a
> bucket, that is emptied into a compost bin. So here, the urine goes
> into the compost too and adds its nutricial value to the process.
> This is one of the beauties of this ultra simple toilet.
> It is necessary to add good amounts of carboneous materials to
> balance this urine-enriched compost. But nature doesn't care about
> accurate C/N ratios. If there are no bad smells coming from the
> compost pile, you can be assured the composting will go well.
>
> In most other composting toilets, urine is separated from the feces
> and can flow to a greywater system or be used diluted as a
> fertilizer or be poured or pumped into the compost. It is indeed too
> valuable to be just discarded! My doctor even drinks fresh urine
> every morning..I prefer my coffee :-)
>
> Best regards,
> Bert.
>
>
>
>
> --- In compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com, P S Satvat pg ce
> <pranveer@i...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Birt and Sonsie,
> >
> > I agree with the requirement of proper C:N ratio to compost
> humanure
> > applicable in tiolet as well. It is also true that wood contains
> lignin
> > and other tough materialas that requires lenghty time to be
> degraded. As
> > we all knows that the maitianing proper C:N ratio is major
> limitation in
> > aerobic composting of any target material. If we overlook the time
> > required for degradetion of saw dust/other woody waste, then
> manage to
> > trucks of it seems hard and limiting the applicability of
> composting
> > toilet. Therefore, it is better option to discard the nitrogeneous
> > materials rather than adding carboneous materils to maintain
> proper C:N
> > ratio in human feces to make it compostable. Now question arises
> that if
> > we have to discard the urine then is not again wasting a precious
> product
> > having good fertilizer value?
> >
> > Pranveer
> >
> >
> >  PRANVEER S SATVAT, Research Scholar,
> >  WL-116, Environmental Eng. Lab, IIT Kanpur, KANPUR, UP:208 016,
> INDIA
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> >  E-mail: pranveer@i...
> >  Alternate E-mails: wormman@r..., wormman_india@y...,
> >                     vermicomposter@y...
> >
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> BY THE WAY YOUR
> DOCTOR IS HEALTHER THAN U CHECK THE URINE THERAPY WEB SITE

If anyone can ever explain to me why urine is excreted if it is indeed
so 'good' for you, I'll be amazed...

--
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Lady Lasairíona of the Lake - Seneschal, Shire of Hrafnsfjordr, Oertha, West

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There is some confusion on this list.

In most composting toilets, the liquid naturally sinks
to the bottom of the composter. Since most of teh
nitrogen is in the liquid (mostly urine), that means
that most of your carbon should be on the bottom of
the composter. But lack of carbon is not a major
limitation in aerobic systems.

This leachate is then best drained to a graywater
system (or other place where plants can use it).
Graywater is high in carbon, very low in nitrogen, so
this is an ideal mix.

Sonsie


--- P S Satvat pg ce <pranveer@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Birt and Sonsie,
>
> I agree with the requirement of proper C:N ratio to
> compost humanure
> applicable in tiolet as well. It is also true that
> wood contains lignin
> and other tough materialas that requires lenghty
> time to be degraded. As
> we all knows that the maitianing proper C:N ratio is
> major limitation in
> aerobic composting of any target material. If we
> overlook the time
> required for degradetion of saw dust/other woody
> waste, then manage to
> trucks of it seems hard and limiting the
> applicability of composting
> toilet. Therefore, it is better option to discard
> the nitrogeneous
> materials rather than adding carboneous materils to
> maintain proper C:N
> ratio in human feces to make it compostable. Now
> question arises that if
> we have to discard the urine then is not again
> wasting a precious product
> having good fertilizer value?
>
> Pranveer
>
>
>  PRANVEER S SATVAT, Research Scholar,
>  WL-116, Environmental Eng. Lab, IIT Kanpur, KANPUR,
> UP:208 016, INDIA
>  Tel#91(512)2597791/92 Fax#91(512)2597395/2590260
>  Res: E-5,S.B.R.A.,IIT
> Kanpur,..Tel#91(512)2591416/2770733
>  E-mail: pranveer@...
>  Alternate E-mails: wormman@...,
> wormman_india@...,
>                     vermicomposter@...
>
> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Daron Page wrote:
>
> > http://www.joseph-jenkins.com/books_humanure.html
> >
> >
> > --- "ELTAHIR W.MALIK" <homi@...> wrote:
> > > hi Sonsie,
> > > Is it possible to send me the author nameof the
> > > composting toilet system
> > > book?
> > > Best regards
> > > Eltahir.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Sonsie Jamay" <sonsiejamais@...>
> > > To: <compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:20 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [compost-toilet] Re: Role of
> sawdust in
> > > toilet
> > >
> > >
> > > > Bert,
> > > >
> > > > That's true, although it would still require
> > > > truckloads of carbonaceous materials to
> achieve
> > > the
> > > > 25:1 C:N ratio for composting human excreta.
> For
> > > yard
> > > > waste composting, we use a 4:1 C:N ratio. The
> > > easiest
> > > > way to achieve that is with truckloads of
> waste
> > > wood
> > > > chips. However, much of the carbon in these is
> not
> > > > accessible as wood can take 5 years to break
> down.
> > > >
> > > > However, most of the nitrogen gasses off when
> the
> > > > excreta is exposed. In a well-designed
> composting
> > > > toilet, leachate is drained away, so actually
> much
> > > of
> > > > the nitrogen is drained out of the toilet.
> > > Ideally,
> > > > this is directed to an aerobic planter bed or
> a
> > > > composter.
> > > >
> > > > Sonsie
> > > >
> > > > --- Bert Vercauteren
> <bertvercauteren@...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Dear Sonsie,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your interesting post!
> > > > >
> > > > > <Carbon to nitrogen ratio is 25:1 but that's
> > > almost
> > > > >  impossible to achieve.>
> > > > > That's true for toilets, but not so
> impossible
> > > in a
> > > > > mixed compost
> > > > > pile : humanure composted together with
> garden
> > > and
> > > > > kitchen refuse,
> > > > > leaves, hay, straw, ect..
> > > > >
> > > > > Looking forward to see some of your
> pictures!
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Bert.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com,
> Sonsie
> > > Jamay
> > > > > <sonsiejamais@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi, all
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Again, sawdust (composting toilet
> additive,
> > > which
> > > > > does
> > > > > > not have to be sawdust) is simply to
> provide:
> > > > >
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In a sawdust collection toilet that gets transported to a compost pile,
there is no leachate, as the sawdust retains the urine, which is necessary
for thermophillic composting.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sonsie Jamay" <sonsiejamais@...>
To: <compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: [compost-toilet] Re: Role of sawdust in toilet


> There is some confusion on this list.
>
> In most composting toilets, the liquid naturally sinks
> to the bottom of the composter. Since most of teh
> nitrogen is in the liquid (mostly urine), that means
> that most of your carbon should be on the bottom of
> the composter. But lack of carbon is not a major
> limitation in aerobic systems.
>
> This leachate is then best drained to a graywater
> system (or other place where plants can use it).
> Graywater is high in carbon, very low in nitrogen, so
> this is an ideal mix.
>
> Sonsie
>
>
> --- P S Satvat pg ce <pranveer@...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Birt and Sonsie,
> >
> > I agree with the requirement of proper C:N ratio to
> > compost humanure
> > applicable in tiolet as well. It is also true that
> > wood contains lignin
> > and other tough materialas that requires lenghty
> > time to be degraded. As
> > we all knows that the maitianing proper C:N ratio is
> > major limitation in
> > aerobic composting of any target material. If we
> > overlook the time
> > required for degradetion of saw dust/other woody
> > waste, then manage to
> > trucks of it seems hard and limiting the
> > applicability of composting
> > toilet. Therefore, it is better option to discard
> > the nitrogeneous
> > materials rather than adding carboneous materils to
> > maintain proper C:N
> > ratio in human feces to make it compostable. Now
> > question arises that if
> > we have to discard the urine then is not again
> > wasting a precious product
> > having good fertilizer value?
> >
> > Pranveer
> >
> >
> >  PRANVEER S SATVAT, Research Scholar,
> >  WL-116, Environmental Eng. Lab, IIT Kanpur, KANPUR,
> > UP:208 016, INDIA
> >  Tel#91(512)2597791/92 Fax#91(512)2597395/2590260
> >  Res: E-5,S.B.R.A.,IIT
> > Kanpur,..Tel#91(512)2591416/2770733
> >  E-mail: pranveer@...
> >  Alternate E-mails: wormman@...,
> > wormman_india@...,
> >                     vermicomposter@...
> >
> > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Daron Page wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.joseph-jenkins.com/books_humanure.html
> > >
> > >
> > > --- "ELTAHIR W.MALIK" <homi@...> wrote:
> > > > hi Sonsie,
> > > > Is it possible to send me the author nameof the
> > > > composting toilet system
> > > > book?
> > > > Best regards
> > > > Eltahir.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Sonsie Jamay" <sonsiejamais@...>
> > > > To: <compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:20 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [compost-toilet] Re: Role of
> > sawdust in
> > > > toilet
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Bert,
> > > > >
> > > > > That's true, although it would still require
> > > > > truckloads of carbonaceous materials to
> > achieve
> > > > the
> > > > > 25:1 C:N ratio for composting human excreta.
> > For
> > > > yard
> > > > > waste composting, we use a 4:1 C:N ratio. The
> > > > easiest
> > > > > way to achieve that is with truckloads of
> > waste
> > > > wood
> > > > > chips. However, much of the carbon in these is
> > not
> > > > > accessible as wood can take 5 years to break
> > down.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, most of the nitrogen gasses off when
> > the
> > > > > excreta is exposed. In a well-designed
> > composting
> > > > > toilet, leachate is drained away, so actually
> > much
> > > > of
> > > > > the nitrogen is drained out of the toilet.
> > > > Ideally,
> > > > > this is directed to an aerobic planter bed or
> > a
> > > > > composter.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sonsie
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Bert Vercauteren
> > <bertvercauteren@...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Dear Sonsie,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for your interesting post!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <Carbon to nitrogen ratio is 25:1 but that's
> > > > almost
> > > > > >  impossible to achieve.>
> > > > > > That's true for toilets, but not so
> > impossible
> > > > in a
> > > > > > mixed compost
> > > > > > pile : humanure composted together with
> > garden
> > > > and
> > > > > > kitchen refuse,
> > > > > > leaves, hay, straw, ect..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Looking forward to see some of your
> > pictures!
> > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > Bert.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com,
> > Sonsie
> > > > Jamay
> > > > > > <sonsiejamais@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi, all
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Again, sawdust (composting toilet
> > additive,
> > > > which
> > > > > > does
> > > > > > > not have to be sawdust) is simply to
> > provide:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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Dear Members
When i was mixed and cover   fresh human feces with sawdust for vermicomposting
than all worms( Eisenia foetida) are die within week this experiments  i have
repeted  three times but all times worms are die and i am unable to find out the
reason because parallel experiments which is running without sawdust they are
running well.I am not mixing urine with feces because urine is the mortility
causing to earthworms.
I am very thanks full if anybody are able to explain the reason
if i run the experiments without worms means simple aerobic composting than it
is helpful for composting or not because our aim to mixed sawdust with human
feces for maintaining the c:n ratio and odor control.
i am waiting for reply.

k d singh



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The reason is thermophillic composting. The temperature is too hot for
worms. Wait a while and the temps will drop, and the worms will come back by
themselves if its piled on the ground. Put the urine back in.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kunwar Durg" <kdjhansi@...>
To: <compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 1:22 AM
Subject: [compost-toilet] Role of sawdust in fresh human feces


> Dear Members
> When i was mixed and cover   fresh human feces with sawdust for
vermicomposting than all worms( Eisenia foetida) are die within week this
experiments  i have repeted  three times but all times worms are die and i
am unable to find out the reason because parallel experiments which is
running without sawdust they are running well.I am not mixing urine with
feces because urine is the mortility causing to earthworms.
> I am very thanks full if anybody are able to explain the reason
> if i run the experiments without worms means simple aerobic composting
than it is helpful for composting or not because our aim to mixed sawdust
with human feces for maintaining the c:n ratio and odor control.
> i am waiting for reply.
>
> k d singh
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Yes. That's not a composting toilet.

Here in Maine, we get nearly 100 cm of rain per year.
When it rains on a composting pile with a lot of
nitrogenous material in it, leachate results. This is
why we only put urine in the composter (and in other
systems). If there is leachate, there will be no
potential pathogens leaching out of it.

Sonsie

--- Steve Spence <sspence@...> wrote:
> In a sawdust collection toilet that gets transported
> to a compost pile,
> there is no leachate, as the sawdust retains the
> urine, which is necessary
> for thermophillic composting.
>
>
> Steve Spence
> Renewable energy and sustainable living
> http://www.green-trust.org
> Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel
> powered diesels at
> http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sonsie Jamay" <sonsiejamais@...>
> To: <compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 12:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [compost-toilet] Re: Role of sawdust in
> toilet
>
>
> > There is some confusion on this list.
> >
> > In most composting toilets, the liquid naturally
> sinks
> > to the bottom of the composter. Since most of teh
> > nitrogen is in the liquid (mostly urine), that
> means
> > that most of your carbon should be on the bottom
> of
> > the composter. But lack of carbon is not a major
> > limitation in aerobic systems.
> >
> > This leachate is then best drained to a graywater
> > system (or other place where plants can use it).
> > Graywater is high in carbon, very low in nitrogen,
> so
> > this is an ideal mix.
> >
> > Sonsie
> >
> >
> > --- P S Satvat pg ce <pranveer@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Birt and Sonsie,
> > >
> > > I agree with the requirement of proper C:N ratio
> to
> > > compost humanure
> > > applicable in tiolet as well. It is also true
> that
> > > wood contains lignin
> > > and other tough materialas that requires lenghty
> > > time to be degraded. As
> > > we all knows that the maitianing proper C:N
> ratio is
> > > major limitation in
> > > aerobic composting of any target material. If we
> > > overlook the time
> > > required for degradetion of saw dust/other woody
> > > waste, then manage to
> > > trucks of it seems hard and limiting the
> > > applicability of composting
> > > toilet. Therefore, it is better option to
> discard
> > > the nitrogeneous
> > > materials rather than adding carboneous materils
> to
> > > maintain proper C:N
> > > ratio in human feces to make it compostable. Now
> > > question arises that if
> > > we have to discard the urine then is not again
> > > wasting a precious product
> > > having good fertilizer value?
> > >
> > > Pranveer
> > >
> > >
> > >  PRANVEER S SATVAT, Research Scholar,
> > >  WL-116, Environmental Eng. Lab, IIT Kanpur,
> KANPUR,
> > > UP:208 016, INDIA
> > >  Tel#91(512)2597791/92
> Fax#91(512)2597395/2590260
> > >  Res: E-5,S.B.R.A.,IIT
> > > Kanpur,..Tel#91(512)2591416/2770733
> > >  E-mail: pranveer@...
> > >  Alternate E-mails: wormman@...,
> > > wormman_india@...,
> > >                     vermicomposter@...
> > >
> > > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Daron Page wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> http://www.joseph-jenkins.com/books_humanure.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- "ELTAHIR W.MALIK" <homi@...>
> wrote:
> > > > > hi Sonsie,
> > > > > Is it possible to send me the author nameof
> the
> > > > > composting toilet system
> > > > > book?
> > > > > Best regards
> > > > > Eltahir.
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Sonsie Jamay"
> <sonsiejamais@...>
> > > > > To: <compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:20 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [compost-toilet] Re: Role of
> > > sawdust in
> > > > > toilet
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Bert,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's true, although it would still
> require
> > > > > > truckloads of carbonaceous materials to
> > > achieve
> > > > > the
> > > > > > 25:1 C:N ratio for composting human
> excreta.
> > > For
> > > > > yard
> > > > > > waste composting, we use a 4:1 C:N ratio.
> The
> > > > > easiest
> > > > > > way to achieve that is with truckloads of
> > > waste
> > > > > wood
> > > > > > chips. However, much of the carbon in
> these is
> > > not
> > > > > > accessible as wood can take 5 years to
> break
> > > down.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, most of the nitrogen gasses off
> when
> > > the
> > > > > > excreta is exposed. In a well-designed
> > > composting
> > > > > > toilet, leachate is drained away, so
> actually
> > > much
> > > > > of
> > > > > > the nitrogen is drained out of the toilet.
> > > > > Ideally,
> > > > > > this is directed to an aerobic planter bed
> or
> > > a
> > > > > > composter.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sonsie
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Bert Vercauteren
> > > <bertvercauteren@...>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Dear Sonsie,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for your interesting post!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <Carbon to nitrogen ratio is 25:1 but
> that's
> > > > > almost
> > > > > > >  impossible to achieve.>
> > > > > > > That's true for toilets, but not so
> > > impossible
> > > > > in a
> > > > > > > mixed compost
> > > > > > > pile : humanure composted together with
> > > garden
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > kitchen refuse,
> > > > > > > leaves, hay, straw, ect..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Looking forward to see some of your
> > > pictures!
> > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > Bert.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com,
> > > Sonsie
> > > > > Jamay
> > > > > > > <sonsiejamais@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi, all
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Again, sawdust (composting toilet
> > > additive,
> > > > > which
> > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > not have to be sawdust) is simply to
> > > provide:
> > > > > > >
>
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Without the urine, it's unlikely that you're getting
thermophilic temperatures--only mesophilic at the very
highest.

Worms are tender creatures. Sawdust is too sharp.
Also, some woods contain substances that may be
irritating or even toxic to worms. Of course,
processed wood products may also contain chemicals
toxic to worms.

Dilute the urine at least 10:1 with water, and the
worms will tolerate it.

Use shredded newspaper instead of sawdust.

Sonsie

--- Steve Spence <sspence@...> wrote:
> The reason is thermophillic composting. The
> temperature is too hot for
> worms. Wait a while and the temps will drop, and the
> worms will come back by
> themselves if its piled on the ground. Put the urine
> back in.
>
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kunwar Durg" <kdjhansi@...>
> To: <compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 1:22 AM
> Subject: [compost-toilet] Role of sawdust in fresh
> human feces
>
>
> > Dear Members
> > When i was mixed and cover   fresh human feces
> with sawdust for
> vermicomposting than all worms( Eisenia foetida) are
> die within week this
> experiments  i have repeted  three times but all
> times worms are die and i
> am unable to find out the reason because parallel
> experiments which is
> running without sawdust they are running well.I am
> not mixing urine with
> feces because urine is the mortility causing to
> earthworms.
> > I am very thanks full if anybody are able to
> explain the reason
> > if i run the experiments without worms means
> simple aerobic composting
> than it is helpful for composting or not because our
> aim to mixed sawdust
> with human feces for maintaining the c:n ratio and
> odor control.
> > i am waiting for reply.
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We put a large amount of hay under our compost pile. During heavy rains, we
throw a taep over the pile. We get no leaching. This is in upstate NY, where
we get 40" + of rain per year.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sonsie Jamay" <sonsiejamais@...>
To: <compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: [compost-toilet] Re: Role of sawdust in toilet


> Yes. That's not a composting toilet.
>
> Here in Maine, we get nearly 100 cm of rain per year.
> When it rains on a composting pile with a lot of
> nitrogenous material in it, leachate results. This is
> why we only put urine in the composter (and in other
> systems). If there is leachate, there will be no
> potential pathogens leaching out of it.
>
> Sonsie
>
> --- Steve Spence <sspence@...> wrote:
> > In a sawdust collection toilet that gets transported
> > to a compost pile,
> > there is no leachate, as the sawdust retains the
> > urine, which is necessary
> > for thermophillic composting.
> >
> >
> > Steve Spence
> > Renewable energy and sustainable living
> > http://www.green-trust.org
> > Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel
> > powered diesels at
> > http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sonsie Jamay" <sonsiejamais@...>
> > To: <compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 12:34 AM
> > Subject: Re: [compost-toilet] Re: Role of sawdust in
> > toilet
> >
> >
> > > There is some confusion on this list.
> > >
> > > In most composting toilets, the liquid naturally
> > sinks
> > > to the bottom of the composter. Since most of teh
> > > nitrogen is in the liquid (mostly urine), that
> > means
> > > that most of your carbon should be on the bottom
> > of
> > > the composter. But lack of carbon is not a major
> > > limitation in aerobic systems.
> > >
> > > This leachate is then best drained to a graywater
> > > system (or other place where plants can use it).
> > > Graywater is high in carbon, very low in nitrogen,
> > so
> > > this is an ideal mix.
> > >
> > > Sonsie
> > >
> > >
> > > --- P S Satvat pg ce <pranveer@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Birt and Sonsie,
> > > >
> > > > I agree with the requirement of proper C:N ratio
> > to
> > > > compost humanure
> > > > applicable in tiolet as well. It is also true
> > that
> > > > wood contains lignin
> > > > and other tough materialas that requires lenghty
> > > > time to be degraded. As
> > > > we all knows that the maitianing proper C:N
> > ratio is
> > > > major limitation in
> > > > aerobic composting of any target material. If we
> > > > overlook the time
> > > > required for degradetion of saw dust/other woody
> > > > waste, then manage to
> > > > trucks of it seems hard and limiting the
> > > > applicability of composting
> > > > toilet. Therefore, it is better option to
> > discard
> > > > the nitrogeneous
> > > > materials rather than adding carboneous materils
> > to
> > > > maintain proper C:N
> > > > ratio in human feces to make it compostable. Now
> > > > question arises that if
> > > > we have to discard the urine then is not again
> > > > wasting a precious product
> > > > having good fertilizer value?
> > > >
> > > > Pranveer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  PRANVEER S SATVAT, Research Scholar,
> > > >  WL-116, Environmental Eng. Lab, IIT Kanpur,
> > KANPUR,
> > > > UP:208 016, INDIA
> > > >  Tel#91(512)2597791/92
> > Fax#91(512)2597395/2590260
> > > >  Res: E-5,S.B.R.A.,IIT
> > > > Kanpur,..Tel#91(512)2591416/2770733
> > > >  E-mail: pranveer@...
> > > >  Alternate E-mails: wormman@...,
> > > > wormman_india@...,
> > > >                     vermicomposter@...
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Daron Page wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > http://www.joseph-jenkins.com/books_humanure.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- "ELTAHIR W.MALIK" <homi@...>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > hi Sonsie,
> > > > > > Is it possible to send me the author nameof
> > the
> > > > > > composting toilet system
> > > > > > book?
> > > > > > Best regards
> > > > > > Eltahir.
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Sonsie Jamay"
> > <sonsiejamais@...>
> > > > > > To: <compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:20 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [compost-toilet] Re: Role of
> > > > sawdust in
> > > > > > toilet
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bert,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That's true, although it would still
> > require
> > > > > > > truckloads of carbonaceous materials to
> > > > achieve
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > 25:1 C:N ratio for composting human
> > excreta.
> > > > For
> > > > > > yard
> > > > > > > waste composting, we use a 4:1 C:N ratio.
> > The
> > > > > > easiest
> > > > > > > way to achieve that is with truckloads of
> > > > waste
> > > > > > wood
> > > > > > > chips. However, much of the carbon in
> > these is
> > > > not
> > > > > > > accessible as wood can take 5 years to
> > break
> > > > down.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > However, most of the nitrogen gasses off
> > when
> > > > the
> > > > > > > excreta is exposed. In a well-designed
> > > > composting
> > > > > > > toilet, leachate is drained away, so
> > actually
> > > > much
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > the nitrogen is drained out of the toilet.
> > > > > > Ideally,
> > > > > > > this is directed to an aerobic planter bed
> > or
> > > > a
> > > > > > > composter.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sonsie
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- Bert Vercauteren
> > > > <bertvercauteren@...>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Dear Sonsie,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks for your interesting post!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > <Carbon to nitrogen ratio is 25:1 but
> > that's
> > > > > > almost
> > > > > > > >  impossible to achieve.>
> > > > > > > > That's true for toilets, but not so
> > > > impossible
> > > > > > in a
> > > > > > > > mixed compost
> > > > > > > > pile : humanure composted together with
> > > > garden
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > kitchen refuse,
> > > > > > > > leaves, hay, straw, ect..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Looking forward to see some of your
> > > > pictures!
> > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > Bert.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > Sonsie
> > > > > > Jamay
> > > > > > > > <sonsiejamais@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi, all
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Again, sawdust (composting toilet
> > > > additive,
> > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > > not have to be sawdust) is simply to
> > > > provide:
> > > > > > > >
> >
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HI, (99% OF THE URINE GOES BACK INTO THE BLOOD&1% GOES OUT)
IF U CLICK JUST NOW ON URINE THERAPY WEB SITE ALL UR QUETIONS WILL BE
ANSWERED.
REGARDS,
ELTAHIR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Breezy Stevens/Lady Lasairíona of the Lake" <redgoddess@...>
To: <compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [compost-toilet] Re: Role of sawdust in toilet


> > BY THE WAY YOUR
> > DOCTOR IS HEALTHER THAN U CHECK THE URINE THERAPY WEB SITE
>
> If anyone can ever explain to me why urine is excreted if it is indeed
> so 'good' for you, I'll be amazed...
>
> --
> Breezy Stevens - Facilitator, Blissful Hearth School
> Lady Lasairíona of the Lake - Seneschal, Shire of Hrafnsfjordr, Oertha,
West
>
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> What’s popular is not always right.}}
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>
>(99% OF THE URINE GOES BACK INTO THE BLOOD&1% GOES OUT)
>
Hmm.. if this is actually true, it still doesn't answer my question: Why
do we excrete what we do if, indeed, it is beneficial to our bodies???

--
Breezy Stevens - Facilitator, Blissful Hearth School
Lady Lasairíona of the Lake - Seneschal, Shire of Hrafnsfjordr, Oertha, West

{{What’s right is not always popular;
What’s popular is not always right.}}

I think we need a professional opinion here.

INHO< I don't believe that the urine goes back into the blood.  I
believe that maybe when the kidneys filter the blood, it maybeonly
retains 1% of the matter, and sends the rest back to the bloodstream (I
am not a doctor, but this is my idea).  Urine, I think, would be too
acidic to want to dump back into the body.  It is made up of waste also,
so why would you dump it back into the body?

Joseph

Breezy Stevens/Lady Lasairíona of the Lake wrote:

>>
>>(99% OF THE URINE GOES BACK INTO THE BLOOD&1% GOES OUT)
>>
>Hmm.. if this is actually true, it still doesn't answer my question: Why
>do we excrete what we do if, indeed, it is beneficial to our bodies???
>



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The chemical compounds contained in urine (urea, ammonia) are the
nitrogenous byproducts of the breakdown of protein and are "waste" products
to humans and other animals. They cannot be used in the human body, the same
as another waste product, carbon dioxide, and would actually be toxic in
large amounts (same with CO2) – these are passed out of the system to
prevent a toxic reaction.

Plants, however, readily use both nitrogenous products and carbon dioxide.

There is no scientific evidence that reintroduction of urea to a human body
has any beneficial effect.

Walker Bennett
Sedona, Arizona

"A professional writer is an amateur who didn't quit."
Richard Bach, author of Jonathan Livingston Seagull


-----Original Message-----
From: Breezy Stevens/Lady Lasairíona of the Lake [mailto:redgoddess@...]

Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 3:38 PM
To: compost-toilet@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [compost-toilet] Re: Role of sawdust in toilet


>
>
>(99% OF THE URINE GOES BACK INTO THE BLOOD&1% GOES OUT)
>
Hmm.. if this is actually true, it still doesn't answer my question: Why
do we excrete what we do if, indeed, it is beneficial to our bodies???

--
Breezy Stevens - Facilitator, Blissful Hearth School
Lady Lasairíona of the Lake - Seneschal, Shire of Hrafnsfjordr, Oertha, West

{{What’s right is not always popular;
What’s popular is not always right.}}

Hey the answer is simple - just have your kidneys and bladder removed -  you
could probably sell them to some person that thinks they are important.  As
for me I don't plan on trying it.  Besides I like to drink beer once in a
while and as you know you don't buy beer you only rent it.  ROFLOL
Bob B.

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