... I'm not sure how much of a step forward this is. How many words/combinators are we up to now that do nothing else but shove values around? We have the...
John Nowak
john@...
Feb 3, 2009 5:17 pm
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... Perhaps I should clarify this. If Factor did not have quotations, it would be sensible to offer an n-ary "cleave" syntax, "spread" syntax, etc. For...
John Nowak
john@...
Feb 3, 2009 5:30 pm
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I'm tempted to cross-post. ... I agree with you; and most of those words seem hard to parse. The * and @ and 2 and 3 are easy to skim over, but are actually...
This was posted to the Factor mailing list, but it's of interest to some here as well. If you have no idea what he's talking about, you can catch up if you've ...
Since I started reading this mail-list all I've got is: 'look ma I can wear my cap backwards; and you can turn it inside out; and if you turn it to the right...
chris glur
crglur@...
Feb 16, 2009 1:17 pm
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... 1. The formal methods you mention are certainly a big element. The pointfree, concatenative nature of the code makes it very easily to manipulate programs....
John Nowak
john@...
Feb 16, 2009 1:49 pm
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... No point at all. Now unsubscribe and leave us alone. William, can you do something about this guy? - Christopher Diggins...
i think chris is asking good questions. at some point i thought i might be turning into the concatenative languages productivity bore, but close association...
Stevan Apter
sa@...
Feb 16, 2009 3:15 pm
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... I can, but I won't; being "annoying" is a benefit if it reminds me to stop improving my hyper-theoretical "01" language and spend a few minutes thinking...
... From: "Stevan Apter" <sa@...> To: <concatenative@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [stack] Advantages of cat, joy...
Stevan Apter
sa@...
Feb 16, 2009 3:29 pm
4290
... Why don't I know anything about it? Any information on the web? Did I somehow just blank on the whole thing? - John...
John Nowak
john@...
Feb 16, 2009 3:52 pm
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there's a long thread from a couple of years ago. maybe search the archive for "01"? ... From: "John Nowak" <john@...> To:...
Stevan Apter
sa@...
Feb 16, 2009 4:01 pm
4292
a k implementation of 10: http://nsl.com/k/10.k no examples. ... From: "John Nowak" <john@...> To: <concatenative@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday,...
Stevan Apter
sa@...
Feb 16, 2009 4:04 pm
4293
... I know you're joking, but you've got to admit that this hardly characterizes any discussion we've ever had. As far as I can tell, you're saying that we've...
... I think the only way to test this is to actually perform the scaling, and observe where it falls short. Otherwise you run the risk of assuming that the...
... Representing stack-based code in a graphical manner exposes essentially all of the parallelism you'd get in an applicative language. There are areas where...
John Nowak
john@...
Feb 16, 2009 5:44 pm
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Chris, While I think the overwhelming majority on this list are more open to self-examination and criticism than "sod off and leave us alone" (only slightly...
... That's not true for myself (although you wouldn't know it from anything online), and it's definitely not true for the Factor contributors on this list. ......
If you're looking for something useful, this list probably isn't the right place to go. Most of the discussions are about theory that doesn't get anywhere, and...
... You are not the only one; I've been interested in that since I read it, way back in the mists of memory. ... I agree, although "type discipline" isn't as...
... Your mind probably mercifully blanked the entire episode. Go to our mailing list archive (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative is the yahoo-approved...
... That's a fair statement; actually, of course, graphical representation gives you a LOT more control over parallelism than an applicative language alone can...
... Which via A -> B -> C leads to increased productivety, either via faster initial building, or easier maintenance or increased reliability. What are the...
chris glur
crglur@...
Feb 16, 2009 9:44 pm
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... Plotting A->B->C won't get you anywhere if you're talking about human factors. You have to build an experiment and demonstrate by doing. There are too many...
productivity is a very complicated business, depending on factors ranging from the language to the personality chemistry of the programming team to the...
Stevan Apter
sa@...
Feb 16, 2009 10:29 pm
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I've been playing around with an implementation of XY in JavaScript to explore client side web programming in a concatenative language. XY is one of Stevan...
... To John's excellent summary below, I would add only one thing, which he gets close to but doesn't say explicitly, and that is that the primary aim of...
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