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John Q:
> <salut_vous_autre@...> wrote:
>
> >Does it exists? a nat/conlang in wich tones serve to grammatical uses?
> >I also tought to use the stress for a grammatical use
> ___________________________
> Ithkuil uses both stress (ultimate, penultimate, antepenultimate, and
> preantepenultimate) and tone (falling, high, rising, and "broken")
> grammatically. In nouns/verbs, stress is used to designate the
> morphological category called Perspective, while tone is used to designate
> the category called Context. For the other word class, called adjuncts,
> stress and tone are used to indicate mood of the verb, as well as
> differentiating between various personal reference categories. For
> details, see Sections 1.3.2, 1.3.3, 3.3, 3.6, 6.5 and 8.1 of the Ithkuil
> grammar at http://home.inreach.com/sl2120/Ithkuil.
>
> It should be noted, however, that Ithkuil is a philosophical language
(what
> some folks on this board call "engelangs"), not a natlang-style conlang.
> If I recall correctly, however, at least some of the African tone
languages
> do use tone to distinguish grammatical categories. I seem to recall that
> Yoruba is such a language. (I believe there are 3 tones in Yoruba). I'll
> try and look it up.

Among conlangs, Guaspi uses tone solely to mark syntactic structure.
And in Livagian, marked tones occur only in closed-class morphemes;
marked tones on open-class words are themselves inflectional
morphemes.

--And.



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And Rosta
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Jan 2, 2005
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... Could you give examples? I became very interested in this kind of thing some time ago, and I'm even more interested now that I'm studying Japanese...
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Jan 4, 2005
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... Here are some Mandarin examples, off the top of my head: _qian2 tu2_ - future, prospect. You can't really break this one down. _ming4 ling4_ - command,...
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Jan 5, 2005
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... Or Mandarin zhi1zhu1 "spider" or hu2die2 "butterfly"? I've seen the individual characters glossed as "spider" and "butterfly", respectively, but do they...
Philip Newton
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Jan 7, 2005
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... [snip] ... They are also _diachronically_ unanalyzable, two-syllable words. There are a handful of such words, such as: pi2pa "four stringed plucked...
Ray Brown
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Jan 8, 2005
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On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 07:45:18AM +0000, Ray Brown wrote: [...] ... [...] ... Surely you mean "glass"? [...] ... Were they borrowed, or were they actually...
H. S. Teoh
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Jan 11, 2005
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... OOPS!! Yes, I did. ... Who knows? I think it is certain tha some, for example Pu2sa4 (Bodhisattva) , are borrowings, but - as I said - the origin of many...
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