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Re: writing system

#1 wrote:
> When I look arabic, chinese (or Japanese, for someone who don't know these
> it's the same),

Japanses actually uses three distinct nonalphabetic systems*: kanji
(Chinese characters), and katakana and hiragana (both syllabic).
These latter two are not used by non-Japanese at all, and since the
Communists reformed the characters, these have not been the same
as those in Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Japan.

*(Though I once saw a Japanese grammar of Ancient Greek, which was
a fascinating mixture of scripts, since it also included
Roman and Cyrillic comparanda.)

> Thai, cyrilic, mongolian(I like that one), it seems so
> beautiful even the latin alphabet seems beautiful when it's well written

IMHO, the most beautiful script is Tengwar; second thereto being only
Georgian mkhedruli. I don't know where Tolkien got his inspiration, but
there are eery resemblances in shape and sometimes in value to mkhedruli:
Sindarin <s> is almost identical to mkhedruli _sani_, and the whole feel
of the alphabet is similar.

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Thomas Wier "I find it useful to meet my subjects personally,
Dept. of Linguistics because our secret police don't get it right
University of Chicago half the time." -- octogenarian Sheikh Zayed of
1010 E. 59th Street Abu Dhabi, to a French reporter.
Chicago, IL 60637



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... Japanses actually uses three distinct nonalphabetic systems*: kanji (Chinese characters), and katakana and hiragana (both syllabic). These latter two are...
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... If by "non-Japanese" you mean "people who do not live in Japan", then you may be right, but if you mean "people who do not use the Japanese language", then...
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Thomas R. Wier wrote at 2005-01-02 06:24:27 (-0600) ... As others have said, the style of the script is largely influenced by uncial. It has occurred to me...
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... While _I_ on the other hand find tengwar pretty, but not nearly as beautiful as the many forms of Arabic, or grass script Chinese. I also tend to prefer...
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... In the English calligraphy he had learnt from his mother, which imitates older insular uncialis (if that's what it's called in English). The tengwar look...
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Hallo! On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 04:28:57 -0500, ... I know what you are talking about. It is easy to invent a handful of letter shapes; it is less easy to come up...
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Hey! ... Basically, yes. ... But even then, I don't arrive at anything that pleases me. ... Actually, I wanted to make a script similar to Javanese or Balinese...
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Hi! ... He. :-) When I invented the Fukhian script, with Devanagari and Arabic in mind, they direction of the resulting script was left-to-right although the...
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... Probably a lot lower than among Men, or the system wouldn't have worked! :) It is notable that Tolkien himself often confused the P-series and the...
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... I once did a featural script, but put all the 'features' as diacritics. Including vowel features. It was interesting, and not hard to read for me. ===== ...
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