On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...> wrote:
> Now that's pretty important a distinction in meaning to place on
> vowel length and a glottal stop!
The vowel-length distinction is all over the place in AusE (and
non-rhotic Englishes generally), so I don't know why it's less
suitable for importance than any other one...
I also have only the glottal stop (well, and presence or absence of
[n] after a nasalized vowel), in emphasized versions: I ['k_h&n] go vs
I ['k_h&~?] go; but if the emphasis is not on "can", the positive form
becomes [k_hn=] instead.
... Oh that word! It also sounds like the Swedish word for "edge", which I found out unpleasantly once. My dad was driving me in my wheelchair, and I was...
Benct Philip Jonsson
melroch@...
May 15, 2008 4:23 pm
... The vowel-length distinction is all over the place in AusE (and non-rhotic Englishes generally), so I don't know why it's less suitable for importance than...
Mark J. Reed
markjreed@...
May 15, 2008 12:47 pm
... From: Benct Philip Jonsson Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 2:27 PM "Now that's pretty important a distinction in meaning to place on vowel length and a...
Daniel Prohaska
daniel@...
May 15, 2008 2:03 pm
... So I understood. I only foresaw a confusion for myself because in my L1 vowel length is only marginally distinctive (being a function of consonantal...
Benct Philip Jonsson
melroch@...
May 15, 2008 4:14 pm
You're right about the [?] for <'t> in <can't>. The [A:] vowel is typical of RP and South-Eastern English English varieties, though there is a tendency in...
Daniel Prohaska
daniel@...
May 15, 2008 7:23 am
... The orthography was purely my attempt to 'write what I hear', I don't know if there is an agreed spelling. <cour>, and <core> would be equally valid to my...
Peter Collier
petecollier@...
May 15, 2008 8:20 am
... Which gave rise to the old joke about spending the night in a Baseball Hotel. Why 'Baseball' you ask? Because there was a pitcher on the table and a...
Wycoval
wycoval@...
May 13, 2008 9:12 pm
... That's funny. At our old place, we had a "kitchen dresser" which might've satisfied your definition (in fact, it didn't have draws below, but cupboards...
Tristan McLeay
conlang@...
May 13, 2008 10:40 pm
Is "draw" for "drawer" a standard Aussie spelling? ... -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>...
Mark J. Reed
markjreed@...
May 13, 2008 10:51 pm
... I doubt it. It's a spoken word though, almost never written down, so I've got no internalisation of its spelling. Easier to spell weird and wacky...
Tristan McLeay
conlang@...
May 13, 2008 11:18 pm
... Well, IML it's pronounced /drO`r\/, an exact rhyme with "door" (just insert the extra /r\/!), so the spelling is more intuitive. But I do hear /drO/ and...
Mark J. Reed
markjreed@...
May 13, 2008 11:40 pm
... It's an exact rhyme with "door" for me too ;) although it's closer to "jaw" with an extra /r/. Also rhymes with "paw, poor, sure, shore, Shaw, your,...
Tristan McLeay
conlang@...
May 14, 2008 12:09 am
... From: Tristan McLeay Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:40 AM ”Also, backing up the thread slightly, do there exist any Germans who actually have [Oy] for...
Daniel Prohaska
daniel@...
May 14, 2008 7:43 am
... I've seen the German diphthongs transcribed /ae ao oe/, which agrees fairly well with how I hear them. The second element definitely isn't as high as in...
Benct Philip Jonsson
bpj@...
May 14, 2008 10:16 am
Hi, I've always transcribed the <eu> sound as /OI/, because that's how I'd perceive it. However, looking closely at my own pronunciation, it's more something...
Carsten Becker
carbeck@...
May 14, 2008 10:26 am
Hi! ... I'm quite sure you have quite a standard pronunciation: after being exposed to the picky people on this list, I usually write it /OY/ now, too, while I...
Henrik Theiling
theiling@...
May 14, 2008 1:01 pm
... Actually, Australian English /Ou\, &i/ are pretty even; /&O, Ae, oi/ are top-heavy and /i:/ is bottom-heavy. The difference is noticeable at least to me; I...
Tristan McLeay
conlang@...
May 14, 2008 1:36 pm
... WAV file: http://beckerscarsten.de/temp/au_aeu.wav AVI file 1 (front): http://beckerscarsten.de/temp/au_aeu-1.avi AVI file 2 (side): ...
Carsten Becker
carbeck@...
May 14, 2008 3:45 pm
... Also, /O/, /Y/, /I/: http://beckerscarsten.de/temp/O-Y-I.wav . The words in this file are: Kosten /'kOs.t@n/ Küste /'kYs.t@/ Liste /'lIs.t@/ Carsten -- ...
Carsten Becker
carbeck@...
May 14, 2008 4:09 pm
... IML a basin is portable. I am most familiar with the stainless steel basins we used to use when I was an RN for giving bed baths. "Basin" most frequently...
caeruleancentaur
caeruleancentaur@...
May 13, 2008 10:52 pm
Yes, you get the same joke in cockney accents too, even though the vowel sounds are different to the Brummy ones, the two words are still pronounced the same. ...
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