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Typological sins (WAS: Re: [CONLANG] phonology, critique pls)   Message List  
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Re: Typological sins (WAS: Re: [CONLANG] phonology, critique pls)

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Paul Hartzer<paulhartzer@...> wrote:
> But for engelangs and artlangs, I think the primary goal should be intrinsic
> rather than extrinsic.

Hear, hear!

While I confess a fondness for [T] and [D] myself, the greatest burden
Tolkien left me is not phonetic.

I'm almost purely an artlang creator. I don't write novels. I rarely
attach created cultures to my languages, though a little bit of that
can be useful. And I certainly have no plans to create an auxlang.
But one thing I've recently become more consciously aware of in most
of my past languages is that they are implicitly afflicted with the
dreary Romantic Weltschmerz of Tolkien's elves, along with an
aversion to modern technology I personally don't have. I have
dealings with computers and mass transit systems almost daily, but
appropriate vocab for them is rarely in my languages.

In my recent languages I've made a deliberate effort to move into
the 20th century at least. Plenty of languages have a verb affix
which means "go (somewhere) to VERB." I've always been fond of
that sort of derivation, but now I'm likely to include one that means
"go (somewhere _online_) to VERB."

--
William S. Annis
www.aoidoi.org • www.scholiastae.org



Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:02 pm

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I'm most interested in artlangs, and for me the litmus of a good artlang is not whether it's close to or far from a particular natlang (English or otherwise),...
Paul Hartzer
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Jul 15, 2009
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... Hear, hear! While I confess a fondness for [T] and [D] myself, the greatest burden Tolkien left me is not phonetic. I'm almost purely an artlang creator....
Wm Annis
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Jul 15, 2009
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... Most of my creations are auxlangs, mainly because I find them interesting and designing something for a practical goal is a good mental exercise. I did...
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Jul 16, 2009
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... Thanks. I not decided that 'rete and infinitive has the same meaning (yes, the word for online in Rejistanian is a loan word or in-universe: an accidental...
Mechthild Czapp
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Jul 16, 2009
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... over-/underrepresented in conlangs, the more I wonder whether a better gauge to measure against would be usage-based, rather natlang-count-based. IOW, ...
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Jul 15, 2009
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... I suppose we all have things we're not good at or just can't do (tones and implosives, in my case), which would be rather pointless to use. My Liburnes...
David McCann
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Jul 15, 2009
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... The heart of Deini is Low-Germanic despite a considerable amount of Latino-Romance, Slavic, Hellenic and other lexical influences. I also have to consider...
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... If you're looking for inspiration along the /t tʰ t’/ continuum, I recommend looking at any Athabascan language (everyone loves Navajo), or Tlingit, for...
Wm Annis
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... I wonder how many glossopeists (now *there's* a fine word!) specify the fine detail of the phonetics; I don't usually bother. If you asked me, I'd say that...
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... I'm inconsistent, but usually a fair lot detail. It's mostly left out of the online documentation, mind. (Also, I cheat: Meghean vl stops are supposed to...
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... Deini is basically Germanic so I like the idea of aspirated stops as with English or German. I haven't yet gone into such detail but will. I have...
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