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Re: Typological sins (WAS: Re: [CONLANG] phonology, critique pls)

On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 22:53 -0400, Herman Miller wrote:

> Still, it's hard to avoid English influence entirely, and I've overused
> /T/ and /D/ in many of my older conlangs. Another English influence in
> my older langs is having separate /I/ and /i/ phonemes. I wonder if
> similarly there are phonemes that are underused in conlangs due to being
> unfamiliar to or difficult for English speakers. Uvular, pharyngeal,
> epiglottal sounds? Implosives?

I suppose we all have things we're not good at or just can't do (tones
and implosives, in my case), which would be rather pointless to use.

My Liburnes started as a project for a maximal phonemic system for a
Romance language, hence /č ǰ š ž ɨ/. Paladhesi, a North Semitic
language, has /θ δ/ (not unreasonable in that family) and /ɬ/, but the
"emphatics" and "laryngeals" are eliminated just to make it different.
Tengol (currently on the back-burner) has retracted-tongue-root vowel
harmony, /ƛ/ and ejectives, because they're interesting, but I've
resisted the temptation to have /θ δ/. I keep meaning to do a *big*
system, with contrasts like /t tʰ t’ d/ and /ḱ k q/, and perhaps even
a /tθ/ affricate.



Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:55 pm

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... I suppose we all have things we're not good at or just can't do (tones and implosives, in my case), which would be rather pointless to use. My Liburnes...
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... If you're looking for inspiration along the /t tʰ t’/ continuum, I recommend looking at any Athabascan language (everyone loves Navajo), or Tlingit, for...
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... I wonder how many glossopeists (now *there's* a fine word!) specify the fine detail of the phonetics; I don't usually bother. If you asked me, I'd say that...
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Jul 16, 2009
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... I'm inconsistent, but usually a fair lot detail. It's mostly left out of the online documentation, mind. (Also, I cheat: Meghean vl stops are supposed to...
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... Deini is basically Germanic so I like the idea of aspirated stops as with English or German. I haven't yet gone into such detail but will. I have...
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