I certainly don't know enough different sign languages to say anything authoritative about what *doesn't* exist. However, all the ones I know of have manual...
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Sai Emrys
saizai@...
Apr 2, 2010 9:46 am
... I think there is a degree of naturalness to a mode. For example, I think that Signed Exact [anything] is abhorrent in about the same way that current...
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Nuno-Miguel Raposo
nulpoints@...
Apr 2, 2010 9:46 am
To piggy back on Sai's comments... I would say that the vast majority of signed languages (at least those I've been in contact with) has some type of...
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Karen Badham
ktbadham@...
Apr 2, 2010 11:24 am
To comment on this part... [5] FWIW, I strongly object to the frequent assertion that verbal speech is somehow "necessarily" the dominant mode. This I find to...
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Larry Sulky
larrysulky@...
Apr 2, 2010 12:37 pm
Happened upon this IPA chart, which has fast-loading sound files associated with each glyph: http://web.uvic.ca/ling/resources/ipa/charts/IPAlab/IPAlab.htm You...
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Parker Glynn-Adey
parkerglynnadey@...
Apr 2, 2010 1:03 pm
... One thing I'm curious about: Is there an example of a culture that, in most registers of spoken speech, doesn't gesticulate? If there isn't perhaps ...
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Ben Scerri
psykiekilla@...
Apr 2, 2010 1:40 pm
Aye, this has been the site I have used up until now. Although now I can read a sound description and know how it should sound (although I am shaky on vowels)...
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<deinx nxtxr>
deinx.nxtxr@...
Apr 2, 2010 1:50 pm
... If there was no contact with voiced language then I can see where no signed alphabet would be needed. In the real world though there really isn't any way...
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Benct Philip Jonsson
bpj@...
Apr 2, 2010 1:59 pm
... Anyone else having trouble with the soundfiles from the vowel chart? /BP...
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Claude Almansi
claude.almansi@...
Apr 2, 2010 2:18 pm
Thank you All for the great information in this thread. I was wondering if online videos in sign languages might not provide elements towards answering Eleanor...
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Eleanor Good
hautbois_moi@...
Apr 2, 2010 2:40 pm
Thank you all for your replies so far! It seems the only setting that would make sense for a language without manual spelling would be some alien culture where...
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Karen Badham
ktbadham@...
Apr 2, 2010 2:48 pm
... In this scenario, what of written language? If spoken language never existed in the first place, I think a logographic system would work better than an ...
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Charlie
caeruleancentaur@...
Apr 2, 2010 2:49 pm
... Yes, I am. Charlie...
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Lee
waywardwretch@...
Apr 2, 2010 2:58 pm
I tend to think appearance of fingerspelling in a signed language isn't contact with a vocal language, but contact with written language. Plains Indian Sign...
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Lee
waywardwretch@...
Apr 2, 2010 3:01 pm
Just to avoid confusion... I don't mean to imply all Indian Signs made their way into ASL. But there are a striking number of matching same/similar signs. I...
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Jim Henry
jimhenry1973@...
Apr 2, 2010 3:24 pm
... They're not working for me either (Firefox 3.0.3, Ubuntu 8.04). All the consonants I've tried so far work fine. -- Jim Henry ...
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Jim Henry
jimhenry1973@...
Apr 2, 2010 3:35 pm
... William Morris wrote several novels using few or no words of French or Latin origin; I think he could be considered a predecessor of the Oulipo. ...
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Carsten Becker
carbeck@...
Apr 2, 2010 3:42 pm
... Same here with FF 3.5.8 on Ubuntu 9.10. Carsten -- My Conlang: http://benung.nfshost.com Der Sprachbaukasten: http://sanstitre.nfshost.com/sbk Blog:...
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Nika Mirovak
nikamirovak@...
Apr 2, 2010 3:58 pm
Sai I totally second everything you said. Certain linguistic properties attract to certain modes because it makes the end result much more elegant and works...
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Nika Mirovak
nikamirovak@...
Apr 2, 2010 4:16 pm
Nuno really interesting post about the signed languages! I knew about Kanji having signs but didn't know about the Chinese systems. As for the writing ...
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R A Brown
ray@...
Apr 2, 2010 4:17 pm
... This I agree with. The natural mode of most communication has been speech ever since Homo sapiens made their appearance many millennia ago. (Whether...
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David McCann
david@...
Apr 2, 2010 5:03 pm
... I can't hear any of it. Oasis does nothing, while Firefox complains that an unknown plug-in is required. On the other hand, this site works perfectly with...
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Tony Harris
tony@...
Apr 2, 2010 5:03 pm
I would say that depends on the speaker. My friend, a native Russian speaker although admittedly *not* Russian Orthodox (he belonged to some Russian...
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Nuno-Miguel Raposo
nulpoints@...
Apr 2, 2010 6:05 pm
... The only problem with this hypothesized Sign language culture with not fingerspelling of any kind is that you would have to assume they never used, use, or...
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Mechthild Czapp
0zu149@...
Apr 2, 2010 6:09 pm
... I have trouble with the thing relying on proprietary plugins. Does that count? -- Sanja'xen mi'lanja'kynha ,mi'la'ohix jilih, nka. My life would be easy if...
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Philip Newton
philip.newton@...
Apr 2, 2010 8:32 pm
... And those have, for the most part, no fixed spelling :) Perhaps because spelling those names is too meta (it's the written representation of the oral name...
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Jim Henry
jimhenry1973@...
Apr 2, 2010 8:49 pm
... For that matter, if I'm not mistaken there are some Protestant denominations in the U.S. which avoid the use of "church" for the building, calling it a...
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Sai Emrys
saizai@...
Apr 2, 2010 10:15 pm
Just to clarify: 1. 'natural' and 'native' in my last email have nothing to do with the sense of 'natural' as in 'natlang'. They mean something more intrinsic ...
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<deinx nxtxr>
deinx.nxtxr@...
Apr 2, 2010 10:51 pm
... The site worked just fine for me (FF 3.5.7, OS X 10.6.2) BTW: I highly recommend upgrading Ubuntu. I found 9.10 much easier to work with than 8.04 though...
