Roy...keep explaining anything and everything about Draw and PP that you
know...and instead of sending attachments to everyone automatically...what
about telling what you have to send and then ask if anyone wants it and
then do a mass mailing.

I would like to see Christian file...

Wanda
wanhenry@...  ICQ 8203623 //ø_ø\\

Here's our list of members to date. I'm encouraged, as we're growing.

    1.Roy Lent (ea@...)
    2.Jim Flowers (jaf@...) (digest)
    3.Wanda Henry (wanhenry@...)
    4.Faye Hays (jonefa@...)
    5.Heather Reed (heather@...)
    6.*K* Eavenson (kayke-tn@...)
    7.Jeanne (jeanne1@...)
    8.sterlingsilver@...
    9.CRISTIAN LICIU (kaltz@...)

Cristian just sent me something he did in Photo Paint. It threw me for
a moment as he didn't mention that it was an animation and I opened it
in "L-Pro", which does not show animations, just the first drawing.
Very good Cris. Now could you explain the proceedure in making an
animation in Photo Paint, to all of us?

I'd like to mention again that we can send attachments with messages
to onelist (limit 500 Kb), except they get trimmed off for those using
the digest form. Jim Flowers seems to be the only one in digest form.
What say the rest? Do we send out attachments or not? Remember, if a
message has an attachment, it can take a fair amount of time to
download.

Should I continue explaining different parts of Corel Draw? At least
those parts that I understand! Does anyone else want to try their hand
at this? Remember, in a month or so, we could pass 20 members as we're
going now!

Roy Lent

Roy, you are a hoot.  Love the picture. I use PSP for cloning.  Just
haven't gotten the hang on Photopaint.

*K*

Roy...you do get around don't you....
Love the cloning tool in PP and use is quite extensively.

Wanda
wanhenry@...  ICQ 8203623 //ø_ø\\

OK. This mailing list will send attachment files up to 500Kb. Here's
one with me all over the place thanks to Photo Paint's clone tool.
Cloning is not illegal with humans if you use Photo Paint. Anyone not
able to do this sort of thing?

Roy

Wanda, you're right in a sense. My manuel calls it a shape tool in
one spot and Bezier tool in another. Onward & Forward!

Roy

Roy...thanks so much for the neat tutorial.  I really appreciate you
taking the time to post it.

*K*

Roy...I did what you said...but I believe you have mixed up the names of
the tools...the tool that you have been having us use is the shape
tool...not the bezier tool...that is where I was getting mixed up.

By using the shape tool...I accomplished your task.

Wanda
wanhenry@...  ICQ 8203623 //ø_ø\\

Wanda wrote:
Roy...apparently I am missing something....when I did your beginner
lesson w/the top...I did the line then w/the freehand tool and then
changed to the bezier tool....now here is where I have trouble...I
placed my cursor on top of the line, clicked once...but can't for the
life of me see second square...

A little misstep- When in the Bezier tool, DOUBLE click on the line
and a box (read window: [node edit]) will appear. This window has 3
rows of little squares. the 2nd on the 2nd row is the one you want.
This is by far the most used box on this window. It converts straight
lines into curves.

Roy

Roy...apparently I am missing something....when I did your beginner lesson
w/the top...I did the line then w/the freehand tool and then changed to the
bezier tool....now here is where I have trouble...I placed my cursor on top
of the line, clicked once...but can't for the life of me see second
square...

Very beginner in draw,
Wanda
wanhenry@...  ICQ 8203623 //ø_ø\\

Although I only have Draw 6 I completely agree with you about the
drawing freehand being awkward. How would you suggest the easiest
way to import or get hand drawings into Corel Draw? And a :) brief :)
explanation of how to handle it when you get there.
I am not satisfied with OCR Trace for hand drawings either. It leaves
out detail. (I speak as if I really know what I am talking about, but
believe me I don't.) I have such a huge instruction book that is
worthless. It assumes that after you complete each lesson you will be
able to take off. :)
Faye


Roy Lent wrote:
>
> From: "Roy Lent" <roylent@...>
>
> We seem to have a number of beginners in Corel Draw and/or Photo
> Paint. I'd like to clear up a point for beginners in Corel
> Draw, but even if you're not a beginner, run through this little
> exercise. It may be interesting.:
>
> There is almost no use for Corel's freehand drawing function. With
> a mouse there's little control at all and with a drawing pad, it's
> not all that much better. Maybe once a year I might use it to make a
> very short line to connect 2 points. If, in drawing mode, you hold
> down the left hand mouse button, you're making a line in freehand
> mode. So, in this mode, try your best to draw a top (one of the
> oldtime spinning wooden toys). Now set this lopsided, jagged  top to
> one side.
>
> Now place the cursor to the left of your top about level with the
> uppermost part. Click and release the left button. Move the mouse
> downwards, holding down the Control button. You'll be drawing a
> straight line downwards. When you reach the level of the point of your
> defective top, click the button once. Now, without moving the cursor
> off of the end of the line, click it once more. Hold down the Control
> key and move the mouse straight up. You'll seem to be erasing the
> first line. You're actually drawing another line exactly on top. When
> you reach the top of the first line, click once. You have made a
> closed, 2 sided figure with no width.
>
> Change to the "Bezier tool". That's the one with the pointer at a
> little black box on a curvy line. Now place your cursor on top of your
> straight line and click once (left button). A box will appear on the
> screen. Within that box choose the second square from the left on the
> second line down. Click on it and the line you selected will look
> strange. Grab that line and, holding down the left button, move it out
> until it has taken on the curved form of one side of your desired top.
> Repeat this on the remaining straight line and, with a little
> jiggling, you should have the outline of a top. What a difference from
> the hopeless top you first made!
>
> But let's return to that top. You're still in Bezier tool so click on
> that first top. Some 40 or 50 little squares will appear. They are the
> nodes the program placed on the the line to show each abrupt change of
> direction that your hand made while drawing the line. Shaky, aren't
> you? If you grab one of these nodes, with the mouse & left button,
> you'll see that you can move it. So, with a lot of patience, you
> COULD repair the original drawing by moving the nodes onto the exact
> curved line you originally had in mind. Right?
>
> Let's try one other thing to this horrible first drawing of a top.
> Click on any node on the left side of the top, leaving the central top
> one and the one at the lower point of the top, alone. This will
> activate that node. Now go to the window that is open and click on the
> minus sign in the second square of the first row. This makes that node
> disappear. Now in the same way, make all the remaining nodes on the
> left side dissappear, one by one. Interesting, no? Think about what
> you've just done and what the program was really doing.
>
> The first drawing mode renders exactly the movements of your hand
> trying to make the line you have in mind, while the second method
> directly renders the line you have in mind.
>
> Roy Lent
>
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We seem to have a number of beginners in Corel Draw and/or Photo
Paint. I'd like to clear up a point for beginners in Corel
Draw, but even if you're not a beginner, run through this little
exercise. It may be interesting.:

There is almost no use for Corel's freehand drawing function. With
a mouse there's little control at all and with a drawing pad, it's
not all that much better. Maybe once a year I might use it to make a
very short line to connect 2 points. If, in drawing mode, you hold
down the left hand mouse button, you're making a line in freehand
mode. So, in this mode, try your best to draw a top (one of the
oldtime spinning wooden toys). Now set this lopsided, jagged  top to
one side.

Now place the cursor to the left of your top about level with the
uppermost part. Click and release the left button. Move the mouse
downwards, holding down the Control button. You'll be drawing a
straight line downwards. When you reach the level of the point of your
defective top, click the button once. Now, without moving the cursor
off of the end of the line, click it once more. Hold down the Control
key and move the mouse straight up. You'll seem to be erasing the
first line. You're actually drawing another line exactly on top. When
you reach the top of the first line, click once. You have made a
closed, 2 sided figure with no width.

Change to the "Bezier tool". That's the one with the pointer at a
little black box on a curvy line. Now place your cursor on top of your
straight line and click once (left button). A box will appear on the
screen. Within that box choose the second square from the left on the
second line down. Click on it and the line you selected will look
strange. Grab that line and, holding down the left button, move it out
until it has taken on the curved form of one side of your desired top.
Repeat this on the remaining straight line and, with a little
jiggling, you should have the outline of a top. What a difference from
the hopeless top you first made!

But let's return to that top. You're still in Bezier tool so click on
that first top. Some 40 or 50 little squares will appear. They are the
nodes the program placed on the the line to show each abrupt change of
direction that your hand made while drawing the line. Shaky, aren't
you? If you grab one of these nodes, with the mouse & left button,
you'll see that you can move it. So, with a lot of patience, you
COULD repair the original drawing by moving the nodes onto the exact
curved line you originally had in mind. Right?

Let's try one other thing to this horrible first drawing of a top.
Click on any node on the left side of the top, leaving the central top
one and the one at the lower point of the top, alone. This will
activate that node. Now go to the window that is open and click on the
minus sign in the second square of the first row. This makes that node
disappear. Now in the same way, make all the remaining nodes on the
left side dissappear, one by one. Interesting, no? Think about what
you've just done and what the program was really doing.

The first drawing mode renders exactly the movements of your hand
trying to make the line you have in mind, while the second method
directly renders the line you have in mind.

Roy Lent

Good job on the web page...and impressive graphics....
I printed off your lesson #1 and will attempt to try and duplicate your
work.

Ready for lesson 2<G>

Wanda
wanhenry@...  ICQ 8203623 //ø_ø\\

Hi Kay...glad you found your way over here...and yes PhotoPaint is easy<g>.

Kay is a graphic designer as well and uses Draw 7....I would classify her
work as country...right Kay??

Wanda

I'll say there's an error! I forgot I changed the file at the last
moment to avoid another set-up. It's at:

www.costarica.org/rwlstuf/

Roy

Hi All,

I'm a dabbler in Corel Draw 7.  Have done a few graphics and edited
lots of clipart. I tried 3.0 and 5.0 and hated both.  Then 7 came out
and I love it. I have no idea how to use Photopaint even though my
good friend Wanda Henry tells me its easy.  Hope to get some tips
here and eventually give some back.  I live in Tennessee and am a
grandmother of 6 boys.

*K*

Roy,
I went to the page you posted(www.costarica.org/lentstuf/)...and it said
file not there...could there be an error?

Wanda
wanhenry@...  ICQ 8203623 //ø_ø\\

OK, here it is and most links are working but not quite all! Lots of
Corel stuff in here, at least what I do for fun!

www.costarica.org/lentstuf/

Discovered that large attatchments will not go on the mail list but
smaller ones, yes. Don't yet know where the division line between the
two is.

Roy Lent

I am going to post the info about Corel Draw on another list I am
on...several there use Draw and PP alot...hopefully we will get this to
grow...

Wanda
wanhenry@...  ICQ 8203623 //ø_ø\\

Hi, I have Corel Draw 6, the whole package.
:) I have never been able to use it much although I use PP some.
I know it is a buggy version, but the books don't give a lot
of direction even though they are very thick.
Faye

Roy Lent wrote:
>
> From: "Roy Lent" <roylent@...>
>
> The following are now members of the Corel Draw mailing list:
>
>    1.Roy Lent (ea@...)
>    2.Jim Flowers (jaf@...) (digest)
>    3.Wanda Henry (wanhenry@...)
>    4.Faye Hays (jonefa@...)
>    5.Heather Reed (heather@...)
>
> Roy Lent
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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The following are now members of the Corel Draw mailing list:

    1.Roy Lent (ea@...)
    2.Jim Flowers (jaf@...) (digest)
    3.Wanda Henry (wanhenry@...)
    4.Faye Hays (jonefa@...)
    5.Heather Reed (heather@...)

Roy Lent

I, myself, only have PP8...not Draw 8....I decided to upgrade my Photo
Paint to 8 because of the oribts things...but since I was still learning
Draw 7, didn't see any need to upgrade...one other thing...when you buy
Photopaint upgrades separately...you get this wonderful manual written by a
human(unlike the technical ones, written by aliens that are hard to
understand).  The author's name is David Huss and he tells it like it
is...if their is something about the program, he says so,etc.

Wanda
wanhenry@...  ICQ 8203623 //ø_ø\\

Roy...the attachment came through just fine....

I would love to have the orchid image sprayer....I think it would be great
if we shared these kinds of things.  I know that there is a site for people
using Paint Shop Pro 5.0 where they share their "tubes"( same thing as
image sprayer).

When I say dtp...I mainly mean, greeting cards, candy wrapper, booklets,
business card, etc...and the program I use mainly for doing this Print
Artist 4.0.  I use PPaint to clean up my scans or as I stated before,
coloring graphics.

I want to learn more about Draw....I have done a few things...but would
like to learn how to "draw" in Draw w/o having such jagged lines.  I know
that I can use the node drawing tool to do this.....just guess I want
perfection.

Wanda
wanhenry@...  ICQ 8203623 //ø_ø\\

Welcome Heather. Yes, we're still small as yet as a list. Don't worry
about foolish questions. We've all got some that we're holding back
on!

Heather, I find that the cloning tool is the most useful one that
Photo paint has. You?

Primer1, that's a good question. I'd like an answer too. You users of
Corel 8.0, was it worth it?

No one let me know if something happened when I sent out an
attachment. I know I didn't get it back.

Roy Lent

In message <896635795.101918.0@www.onelist.com>, ea@... writes

Hello to you all,
         I gather this is a small list at the moment - that means that if
I ask a silly question or two it won't be too embarassing :-))
I am a knitwear designer, and use Photo-Paint to modify and structure my
designs for import into my Knit design software. I am a relative newbie
I'm afraid. I have had Corel Draw 6 for around 9 months, but have only
been using photo paint regularly for 4 months. I still haven't gotten
the hang of putting my head on the body of an elephant yet! I also have
a digi-camera, and am finding out what can be done with the photos.

best wishes
--
Heather Reed
Water Margin Designs
e-mail: heather@...
URL:    http://www.lastings.demon.co.uk/index.htm

I use CorelDraw 7 mostly for altering graphics. I design flyers and do a
little web page work (Frontpage 98). My first question would be:
Is the Upgrade to Ver. 8 worth the $$. What are the major benefits?
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To: coreldraw@onelist.com <coreldraw@onelist.com>
Date: Friday, May 29, 1998 11:35 PM
Subject: [coreldraw] Digest Number 0


>
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>           From: "Roy Lent" <roylent@...>
>
>
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>
>Message: 1
>   Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 07:06:12 +0000
>   From: "Roy Lent" <roylent@...>
>Subject: first
>
>Hello jaf.  You're the first to join my list. Let's wait for a couple
>more to really get things going. What dot you use Corel Draw for?
>What type of work?
>
>Roy Lent
>
>
>___________________________________________________________________________
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>

Hi, I'm Roy and I'm a Corelaholic. Yeah, Wanda, see what you mean!

Many years ago I was doing dtp on the Atari ST and TT platforms. In
those days the use of a PC compatible for graphics work was silly it
was so weak in that direction and Mac was B & W only. Ah, those days
of the first of the great dtp programs, Pagestream. What do you use
for dtp?

Within a few days, I'll have my HP back on line. It's got some
interesting Corel stuff in it. I'll post the URL.

Don't have Corel 8.0 as yet. Still using 7.0.  Got interested in
Photo Paint's Image Sprayer tool. Finally learned how to make new
sets of images & did one of orchid flowers if anyone is interested.

I'm going to try an experiment here. I don't believe that this
mailing list will accept attatchments but I'll never be sure until I
try. So I'm going to attach a little thing-a-majig that I made here.
See if it comes through!

Roy Lent

Hi Roy,
My name is Wanda and I live in KY(this sounds like an AA meeting<G>)

I have a very small dtp business that I run from my home..
I use Draw & PhotoPaint for cleaning up scans, filling b & white graphics,
and hopefully will be completing a disk of graphics that I can sell on a
couple of lists.

I have said PhotoPaint does everything but wash dishes...I am discovering
new things everyday.  The new thing I like about PhotoPaint 8 is orbits...I
haven't found a thing I can do w/them yet..but love playing w/that feature.

I'm married, have 2 married daughters, 1 granddaughter and another grand
almost here<g>

Wanda
wanhenry@...  ICQ 8203623 //ø_ø\\

It would seem that the Corel Draw is going to take off! We're only 4
so far but new people will be coming in regularly. I'd like each
member to send in a message saying who he is and how he uses the
program (and Photo Paint) and what he expects to get out of this mail
list.

I'm an old character that lives in Costa Rica. My main use for the
program is to make backgrounds and other drawings for commercial web
page design. I also play around with making complex geometric
constructions just for the pure pleasure of it and to better learn the
program.

Although it's not related, I also do translations (Spanish-English)
and grow cacti. How about the rest of you?

Roy Lent
r@...

Hello jaf.  You're the first to join my list. Let's wait for a couple
more to really get things going. What dot you use Corel Draw for?
What type of work?

Roy Lent