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actors--- In cosmicconspiracies@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Walton
<alan40dewalton@y...> wrote:
>
> About 40 years ago we went to the moon, and there are persistant
rumors of something called "Alternative 003" where we have
established a super-secret base on Mars. However, what if earlier
hi-tech societies (following the flood) did the same? I suspect
that there may be human beings on other planets today, however if
so, they would all have had to originate here on the "cradle"
planet, earth...
>
> Sincerely;
> BRuce AlaN walTON
> (BRANTON)
>
>
> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:05:34 -0000
> From: "deep_mindquest"
> Subject: is Life on other Planets? nope
>
>
> Is there Life on Other Planets?
>
> Summary
>
> Is there life on other planets? If there is, do they have a "soul"
> and will they go to our Heaven and Hell? If there isn't life out
> there, why did God create such a humungous universe?
>
>
> Chapter: 11.06
>
> (Section 11: Understanding God and His Universe)
>
> Copyright © Michael Bronson 2001
>
> BibleHelp.org
>
> Are we alone in the universe or is there other life out there? Is
our
> planet the only one with life or is the universe riddled with
planets
> populated with life? If you are like most people, you have asked
> yourself these questions one time or another.
>
> Public opinion has swung to extremes on this issue. In 1600, the
> Italian philosopher, Giordano Bruno was burned at the stakes
because
> he maintained the "heretical" notion that there were countless
other
> worlds out there containing life. In the 18th century, the
pendulum
> shifted to the other extreme; many astronomers were convinced that
> every star had planets with life. Will Herschel (the man who
> discovered Uranus), even speculated that the sun was populated
with
> life.
>
> In order for life to exist on other planets, there obviously has
to
> be "other planets." This is where we run into our first problem in
> our quest for extraterrestrial life. Scientists haven't seen any
> other planets outside of our solar system. Of course, this doesn't
> mean other planets don't exist. Even if the universe was riddled
with
> trillions of planets, we would never be able to see them with our
> current telescopes (they would be too small to be seen at these
> distances). The only reason we can even see stars is because they
are
> gigantic floodlights blasting a tremendous amount of light in our
> direction. Planets, on the other hand, don't produce their own
light;
> they only reflect the light of their sun.
>
> The moons of Uranus provide us a great example of the difficulties
of
> seeing "non-burning" objects in outer space. We originally thought
> that Uranus had only five moons. However, when Voyager flew by
> Uranus in 1986, it discovered ten more moons. If our telescopes
> couldn't even see these nearby moons, there is no way that we
would
> be able to see planets that are over 14.5 million times the
distance.
> (Uranus is 1.7 million miles away and the nearest star is 24.7
> trillion miles away).
>
> To compensate for this shortcoming, scientists are trying to find
> planets by measuring the movement of stars. They theorize that
> planets will exert a gravitational pull on their sun and slightly
> alter its movements. Although this approach is controversial and
its
> findings are considered inconclusive by many scientists, 60
planets
> (as of 2001) have been "discovered."
>
> In my chapter, Our God is an Awesome God, I talked about the
immense
> size of our universe. Our sun is part of a galaxy (the Milky Way)
> that consists of over 200 billion suns (stars). Although our
galaxy
> is huge, it is just a minuscule dot in comparison to the rest of
the
> universe. Our universe has over 100 billion galaxies.
>
> Why did God create these other galaxies? Was it to provide us
light
> to "govern the night" (Genesis 1:6 and Psalm 136:9)? No, the stars
in
> these galaxies are too far away to provide visible light to our
naked
> (unaided) eye1. It is only the stars in our own galaxy that
provide
> us our nighttime view and even then we are only able to see a
small
> portion of them (about three thousand stars). In fact, we didn't
even
> know about the other galaxies until powerful telescopes were
> developed this past century.
>
>
>
> "The red circle shows the basic range of most of our nighttime
> vision. The yellow circle shows the location of some of the very
> bright stars we see at night.
>
>
> If these other galaxies are not for our benefit, why did God
create
> them? Why did God create such a large universe? Is there some
special
> purpose for such a large universe or did the blueprint for a
> quality "Grade A" universe come in only one size?
>
> Before we discovered that the universe was so huge, it was easy
for
> us to think that we were probably alone in the universe. It was
easy
> to think that the few thousand small dots in the sky were only
there
> to provide us light at night. However, when we now see that over
> 99.999999…% of the universe was not created for "our benefit," we
> have to wonder why God made it so large. With a universe this
size,
> it becomes easier to believe that maybe God has other special
> creations out there. Maybe God has hundreds or even trillions of
> planets inhabited with life.
>
> If there are other life forms out there, what are they like? What
are
> their levels of intelligence and complexity? Do they have
a "soul?"
> Does God take a personal interest in them like He does with us? If
> they have sinned, has God provided a special redemption for them
like
> He has for us? Will their "redeemed" spend eternity in the same
> Heaven with us? Will their "lost" go to our Hell? Will their
redeemed
> have the special privilege of being the "Bride of Christ" along
with
> us?
>
> Obviously, the answers to these questions are beyond our reach.
> Technology is too limited to verify the existence (or non-
existence)
> of life and the Bible doesn't even address this subject.
Therefore,
> as I present my view on this subject, keep in mind it is only my
> opinion and is not Biblical dogma.
>
> Do I believe there is extraterrestrial life on other planets? No.
You
> may be surprised with this answer considering what I have already
> said. I believe that our tiny insignificant planet is the only
planet
> in this humongous universe that has life. As incredulous and
arrogant
> as this may sound, I believe that God built this humongous
universe
> just for the human creation package.
>
> There are a couple minor reasons why I believe this, but the main
> reason is the limited time frame God has placed on the universe.
It
> appears that the universe has only been in existence for about
6,000
> years and will probably be destroyed in one or two thousand years.
> This means that the universe will probably not reach the age of
8,000
> years. (See footnote #2 below for an explanation on how these
figures
> were derived.)
>
> If the universe has a maximum life of less than 8,000 years, then
all
> of the worlds that it contains will also have a maximum life of
less
> than 8,000 years. As the footnote below shows, God will bring our
> society to its final culmination just before He ends the universe.
> Likewise, if there are other worlds out there, God will have to
bring
> their societies to a final culmination before He ends the
universe.
> If you are only talking about a couple planets with life, I can
see
> (statistically) how this might be probable.
>
> Remember, a main argument some Christians have used to support the
> existence of extraterrestrial life is the "apparent" lack of need
for
> these other galaxies. It is reasoned that if these galaxies have
zero
> impact on us (or on each other) they must have been created to
> support other creation projects. Therefore, if supporting
> extraterrestrial life were the only reason for their existence, we
> would then have to assume that all of these galaxies have planets
> with life. If all of these galaxies don't have life, we are back
to
> our original question of, "Why did God create all of these
unneeded
> galaxies?"
>
> Assuming that there is only one planet with life per galaxy, there
> would be over 100 billion planets with life. If, however, every
star
> in each galaxy has a planet with life, you will have to multiply
the
> above number by at least another 100 billion. It seems very
> improbable (statistically) that all of these other societies will
> have their final culmination at the exact same time as us. Our God
> could do that, of course, but it seems highly unlikely.
>
> If the purpose of this large universe was not to accommodate other
> life forms, why then did God create it so large? I see four main
> reasons why God made this universe as large as He did. First, it
> seems that almost everything God does is a first-class major
> production. I think God likes creating spectacular and awesome
things
> and He enjoys looking at the finished product.
>
> Second, I think God wanted to give our world a surrounding that
has
> no visible end, a surrounding that seems complete. God could have
> created our world the same way Hollywood creates a city street for
a
> movie: Fake fronts on all of the buildings. When you walk down a
> Hollywood street, you see a city that looks complete. However,
when
> you take a closer look and peek behind the doors and windows, you
> find that the buildings are not real. I think God wanted to create
a
> surrounding for us that could withstand as much scrutiny as we
could
> give.
>
> Obviously, up until the past couple hundred years, the depth of
our
> scrutiny had not been very deep. However, all of this has changed.
We
> now have technology that allows us to "peek behind the doors and
> windows" of our surroundings. For example, we used to think that
> atoms were the smallest building block elements. (Of course, this
was
> after we discovered that "fire, water, wind, and dirt" were not
the
> basic building block elements.)
>
> As technology increased, we discovered that atoms were made up of
> neutrons, protons, and electrons. Later, we discovered that these
> small particles were made up of smaller particles called quarks. I
> personally don't think we will ever find the smallest building
block
> particles. Likewise, I don't think we will ever find the final
limits
> of outer space. I believe God knew that we would eventually break
out
> of the shell of our immediate surroundings and He wanted something
> out there that we could see and explore.
>
> What would have happened if God made our surrounding boundaries
much
> smaller? I'll try to give you an example. Let's say that God
created
> a brand new world and populated it with a colony of 1,000 people.
> These people were placed in the middle of a territory that looked
> like one of our deserts. As far as they could see in all
directions,
> there was nothing but sand, cactus, rocky hills, etc. Since the
only
> water supply was in the middle of this desert, this primitive
> community could not travel more than 20 miles in any direction.
>
> A thousand years later the community is still centered around the
> water supply. The faces have changed and their population has
> fluctuated, but the community is still tied to their water supply.
> Then, one day someone discovered that glass can be made by super-
> heating the desert sand. Before long, large water jugs were made
and
> people began to travel and explore.
>
> As people reached distances of 100 miles, they discovered
something
> unusual. They find that the "endless" desert suddenly stops. About
> 100 miles in all directions from the watering hole they find a
> gigantic wall surrounding the desert. Since this wall was blue in
> color, it blended in well with the background. Even the rocky
hills
> suddenly stopped with no back sides to them. Since this wall
seemed
> infinitely tall and indestructible, exploration stopped at this
point.
>
> This discovery, of course, would not alter their belief in God. It
> would not change their life significantly. Life would carry on as
> usual up to that 100 mile boundary. I do believe, however, that
this
> discovery would be rather confusing and disconcerting. I think
they
> would wonder why God chose to put the boundaries where He did.
They
> would wonder why God put the "end of the world" so easily within
> their grasp. Somehow their world would probably seem incomplete.
>
> The third reason that I think God created our universe so large
was
> for the sake of those in eternity (both the angels and believers
in
> Heaven). God is obviously mightier, more complex, and more
> magnificent than the universe He created. This immense universe
> provides others a tangible glimpse of His greatness and power. It
> displays His wisdom, majesty, and creativity. Psalm 19:1
says, "The
> heavens declare the glory of God."
>
> The fourth reason I think God created our universe so large was to
> give those of us on Earth a glimpse of His power and majesty. I
think
> He wanted to demonstrate that He truly is Lord of lords and King
of
> kings. If the universe consisted of only our planet, we would
think
> God was great, but His true greatness would still be hidden from
us.
> Now, that we have a glimpse of the magnitude of the universe, we
have
> a better appreciation of God's true greatness. We learn more about
> God as we learn more about His creation. Yet, with all we have
seen,
> I still don't think we even come close to understanding God's true
> magnitude.
>
> As I said before, we were unaware of the immense size of the
universe
> until this last century. Therefore, some people say that this
> gigantic universe was not created to show us (those here on Earth)
> His glory. I have two responses to this. First, God's revelation
of
> Himself is progressive. Mankind has learned more about God as the
> centuries have unfolded. Moses knew more about God than Abraham.
King
> David knew more than Moses and the Apostle Paul knew more than
King
> David. Therefore, I don't find it surprising that we know more
about
> God than our predecessors.
>
> My second response is I think God continually reveals more about
> Himself to keep us humble. As we (mankind) make educational and
> scientific advances, we begin to get delusions of grandeur.
> Our "great" technological advances tend to make us proud,
arrogant,
> and overconfident. As we begin to harness incredible powers
through
> technology, we begin to think we can control almost anything. I
think
> God continually reveals more about Himself (through His creation)
to
> help us keep our "great" advances in proper perspective.
>
> Although I do not believe there are other life forms in our
universe,
> I do believe God is currently working on other creation projects.
Our
> God is a creative God and I believe He always has and always will
be
> creating things. I don't believe, however, that they are part of
our
> realm or dimension. It is quite possible that God is currently
> working on dozens of other creation projects in other realms.
>
> Obviously, we have no idea how many other realms or dimensions God
> has created. We shouldn't be surprised that an Almighty God (a
being
> who has no beginning nor end) would be restricted by our simple
four
> dimensions (height, width, depth, and time). The Bible briefly
> mentions some of these other realms. For example, we know Heaven
and
> Hell are not part of our realm because they won't be destroyed
when
> our universe is destroyed.
>
> Heaven and Hell are eternal in nature, whereas our universe is in
a
> continual state of deterioration. When you buy a new car it
doesn't
> take too many years for entropy (2nd Law of Thermodynamics) to
turn
> it into rust. Even if God doesn't destroy our universe in a couple
> thousand years, it would eventually come to an end on its own. Our
> universe is like a big clock that has been wound up; it will
> eventually unwind itself.
>
> Angels and demons are creatures of multiple realms. Not only can
> these beings operate fully in our realm, they can also operate
> invisibly behind the scenes. Our laws of physics do not bind them
and
> they can traverse back and forth between our realm and Heaven.
>
> Our souls are another example of multiple realms. Although our
> current bodies are made of flesh and blood ("carbon-based life
> forms") our true identity is spiritual in nature. When our body
dies,
> our soul will leave its earthly vessel and continue living. Our
souls
> are not made up of the materials from this dimension. That is why
a
> person's body could be completely vaporized by a nuclear bomb and
his
> soul will depart totally unscathed.
>
> Am I convinced that we are alone in this universe? No, of course
not.
> I may be completely wrong in my speculations on this subject. It
> wouldn't bother me, however, if I am wrong about this. It wouldn't
> shake my faith or theology if we do find life out there. As I
> mentioned before, these are my opinions, not Biblical dogma.
>
> As I contemplate the immense size of our universe, I usually do
not
> wonder about extraterrestrial life. Rather, I spend my time
pondering
> the age-old question of why would such an awesome God care so much
> for mortal man? Why would God Almighty seek our friendship?
>
> Footnote #1
>
> The only stars we see at night are the ones in our own galaxy
(Milky
> Way). The stars in the other galaxies are too far away to be seen
> from our planet. I would like to point out that there are three
> nearby galaxies that can be seen with our naked (unaided) eye.
They
> are the Large Magellanic Cloud, Small Magellanic Cloud, and
> Andromeda. The only reason we can see them is because they are
over
> 100 billion times brighter than an individual star. One of these
> galaxies (Andromeda) is over a trillion times brighter than a
star.
> Yet, because these galaxies are so far away, they only appear as
> faint stars.
>
> Footnote #2
>
>
> Although evolutionists believe the universe has been in existence
for
> about 15 billion years, most Christians do not. Many Christian
> scholars have estimated that the universe has been in existence
for
> only about 6,000 years. If you believe in a literal seven-day
> creation (which I do) you then believe the universe was created
> around the same time Adam was created. Look at the chapter 7-Day
> Creation: Literal or Figurative? for more information on this
subject.
>
> Using the genealogical records provided in the Old Testament, many
> scholars say Adam was created about 6,000 years ago (4,000 BC).
There
> are, however, some disagreements on a couple of the genealogical
> dates. An example of a book providing a detailed timeline from
Adam
> to Jesus is The Wall Chart of World History (Publisher: Barnes and
> Noble).
>
> Although the universe has the potential of existing for several
dozen
> billion years, God will cut its life short. God has a special plan
> for mankind and the Bible says that when He is finished, He will
> destroy the universe (Revelation 21:1).
>
> The Bible provides a description of several events that will take
> place in the "End Times." First, the Christians will be taken out
of
> the world ("Rapture"). Second, seven years of trouble
("Tribulation")
> will immediately follow the Rapture. Third, after the Tribulation
> there will be a period lasting a thousand years where Christ will
> rule directly here on Earth ("Millennium"). At the end of the
> Millennium, there will be a "short season" when Satan will have
one
> final reign. At the end of these events, the universe will be
> destroyed.
>
> Once the Rapture takes place, the countdown clock is set in
motion.
> After the clock has been started, there will only be 1007 years
(plus
> a "short season") left for the universe. The question, of course,
is
> when will the Rapture take place? No one knows when Jesus will
come
> as a "thief in the night" and rapture His church (1 Th. 5:2), but
it
> could happen at any time. http://www.biblehelp.org/planet.htm
>
> Understanding God http://www.biblehelp.org/whogod.htm
> What is God's Race http://www.biblehelp.org/godrace.htm
> Could Jesus have Sinned? http://www.biblehelp.org/jesussin.htm
> What an Awesome God http://www.biblehelp.org/awegod.htm
> 7-Day Creation: Figurative or Literal?
> http://www.biblehelp.org/7day.htm
> Is There Life on Other Planets? http://www.biblehelp.org/planet.htm
> UFOs -1: Fact or Fiction? http://www.biblehelp.org/ufo1.htm
> UFOs -2: Distances are too Great http://www.biblehelp.org/ufo2.htm
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