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Re: [QuacksAnonymous] RE: [Theoretical_Physics] Cosmological Distance Measurements/Allan Francom

So...

Primarily "space" is simply on or about 'electro-magnetic' until we get sub-atomic...
 
-Yes, space, time, mass etc all blend on the string scales in terms of quantum energy, upper-limited by the Planck-Length and lower-bounded by the magnified Planck-Length (the Weyl-String E8 also called Wolford center by our friend).

All measurements of distance are electro-magnetic because there's no way we 'actually' measure it otherwise...
-Yes, to measure distance, the lightparameter in the form of the lightpath X=ct is invoked, relative to some arbitrary standard 'ruler', depending on mensuration units.

And it is the bonding of electrons around atoms that makes things interesting, and that's how electrons
participate in the effect of gravity...  and likely we don't have to worry about neutrino's giving a hoot
about gravity until/unless they interact ?
- The neutrino issue is rather complex, as they are very important in unifying the strong interaction with the weak interaction in electroweak strong coupling between the gluons and the leptonic ring-structures.
Imagine a pebble dropped into a still pond. When the pebble hits the surface, the indentation defines the interacting Weyl-String area as the 'size' of both a gluon and an antineutrino (matter is coupled to antineutrinos and antimatter is always coupled to neutrinos).
The concentric wavefronts caused by the pebble are like a ringstructure for the Higgs template accomodating all bosons and all fermions in existence.
Firstly there is the KERNEL (of the Weyl-Center) defining the FIRST FAMILY of the up-down quarks with the so called POINTPARTICLE ELECTRON of classical quantum field theory.
Secondly there is an INNER MESONIC RING defining the SECOND FAMILY of the charm-strange quarks with the  POINTPARTICLE ELECTRON at the MUON-ENERGY LEVEL.
Thirdly there is an OUTER LEPTONIC RING defining the THIRD FAMILY of the bottom-top quarks with the POINTPARTICLE ELECTRON at the TAUON-ENERGY LEVEL.
 
You have the three families because of the QUANTUM GEOMETRY of this POINT-ELECTRON manifesting as the CLASSICAL ELECTRON at precisely the geometric scale of the Higgs Boson and the LEPTONIC RING at so 3 fermi. This 'size' is also the size of the charged weakons (W+ and W- ; the Zo is the size of the Weyl-Center as doubled neutrinos).
Then the electroweak unification engages the Weyl-Center in an interaction between the gauge photon of EMR and the antineutrino (both of the same scale).
But because the electron's antineutrino is part of the W- template (the size of the Higgs Boson and decaying into an electron with its antineutrino) the POINTELECTRON becomes the CLASSICAL ELECTRON and so the electroweak unification occurs via the exchange of a 'virtual' W-.
But the gluon interacts with the antineutrino in a strongweak coupling without the gauge photon and so the transformation of a gluon with a neutral Zo weakon would unify the nuclear interactions on the primal level.
This however requires TWO antineutrinos to negate the integral spin of the Zo and again the Higgs Boson mastertemplate must be YYCCMM+RRRRGGGGBBBB (because a single antineutrino is RRGGBB(+1/2) quantum geometrically.
This is part of the reason the pundits search for a (unnecessary) supersymmetry and SUSY particles with integral spinning antineutrinos as fermions and halfspinning bosons.
 
So what happens, is that the oscillating ringstructure changes energylevels between KERNEL and MESONIC RING and LEPTONIC RING in the MANIFESTATION of the POINTPARTICLE ELECTRON becoming CLASSICAL.
 
As Mac would say, the electron of Quantum-Field-Theory is required to have a finite size in the Classical Electron, yet QED requires it to be structureless to a distance not greater than 1/1000th of a fermi.
The scenario above explains the situation and justifies both QFT and QED in their mutual extensions.
 
So you find the down-quark at the Mesonic Ring level OSCILLATING into the strange-quark at the Leptonic Ring AS a FULL -1 electron charged 'quantum ring'.
This changing of the quantum structure of the electron then manifests as the elementary interactions between the elementary 'forces'.
 
But, as you can easily ascertain, the down-quark has a charge -1/3, meaning that there must be a +2/3 KERNEL charge somewhere in its structure.
This structure is the up-quark as a trisected KERNEL charge (+2/3+2/3+2/3=+2).
 
To incorporate gravity so requires an additional Kernel-gauge agent and this is what is called Graviton.
The Graviton is however ALWAYS already UNIFIED with the Gauge photon in a longrange gravito-electromagnetic coupling LINKED to the suppressed precursor of the Higgs Boson (this is the gauge antiphoton,...and with it the weakon derivatives).
So it is futile to search for the Graviton OUTSIDE the nucleus; it ALWAYS resides within the KERNEL as the interaction medium for the Antineutrino of the weak interaction and the gluon of the strong interaction and the gauge photon of the electromagnetic interaction.
 
Iow, all of the 4 fundamental gauge agents are really the same 'particle' in an ongoing transformation.
The quantum colour charges and descriptions are:
Strong Gluon: RGB[+1]; Weak Antiphoton: BGR[+1]; EMR Photon: RGB[+1]; Graviton: BGR[-2]; RMP: YYCCMM[-1].
 
The above will one day revolutionise the understanding of unification physics (but the time is not yet).
 
But you might see, that the origin of the physical universe in gauge terms relies on the RMP=RestMassPhoton as a spininduced Higgs Boson.
EMR and Gravity neutralise each other in colour charge (RGB+BGR=(RB)GG(BR)=MGGM=Meson quark-antiquark doublet SU(2); BUT do not neutralise in quantum spin (+1-2=-1).
Additionally, the longrange spin-disparity is complemented by an opposing shortrange spin-disparity betweeen the inertia-coupled antiphoton and the gluon in MGGM[+2].
 
This then is the reason for the decoupling of the 4 elementary interactions in the first place.
The longrange interactions (emr and gravity) are neutralised in colour-charges (or magnetic gluon charges) by the shortrange nuclear interactions BUT require a FIFTH interaction to 'correct' the quantum spin imbalance -1+2=+1.
 
In gauge terms then, this MUST generate a 'missing energy' template which carries a -1 quantum spin.
The missing energy is then labeled as 'dark matter', dark energy, axion, WIMP, SUSY particle or what have you.
 
But the simplicity is found in the SUPPRESSION of the antiphoton and the antimatter described earlier.
Because the supersymmetry is suppressed, the COUPLING between INERTIA-MASS and GRAVITA-PHOTONMASS becomes possible.
So an appropriate label for the 'missing energy' is simply RMP=RestMassPhoton as the gauge of the unifying interaction.
 
You might witness, that the blueprint of the RMP is precisely that of the Higgs Boson - albeit with quantum spin -1 and not scalar (0) as in the Higgs.
 
The searched for Higgs Boson is a Goldstone Boson and MASSLESS as a SCALAR 0-spinning gauge.
It is simply the scalar RMP.
Associating ANY mass with the Higgs Boson simply generates the energy levels with certain peaks at the Kernel-InnerRing-OuterRing structure of itself.
Adding two neutralising weakons in W-+W+ ~161 Gev as well as the vacuum expectation (adding all the energy levels up to, but excluding the top-level together) in 81 GeV, as well as the Fermi-Energy of the electroweak coupling in 284 GeV; will give such 'peak values' and as have been amply observed, measured and demonstarated in the literature.
So the upper Higgs Mass is a DoubleStrange quark level at about 1.1 TeV and the lower Higgs Mass is that of the weakon scale at 81 GeV (W+-) and 91 GeV (Zo).
 
So rendering the massinduced 'particles' massless again, will REUNIFY all of the gauges and reform the plenum of energy from which all derived before space and time existed.
This process you can easily retrace with the information given above.

But mass exists and is in a constant flux of transformation between energy selfstates.
 
This extended treatise on the quantum geometry of unification physics might have answered your query.
There is much more detail to be added and I shall clarify any issues.
 
John Shadow
 
 
 

So, do all the other little inner doodads have a different notion of distance ?
 
-No, the displacement scales are those of the POINTELECTRON transforming into the asymptotic nuclear confinement limit of the CLASSICAL ELECTRON.

And the macroscopic can be left completely EM ?
 
-Yes, the longrange action begins at that of the Classical Electron radius.

The "distance" problem is more directly or entirely related to non-electrons ?
 -There is no distance problem; except specifying the scale where the physical measurement units change into each other.
This is thought by string theory to be the Planck-Length; but is modified (and guessed at by researchers like Ng and VanDam) to a magnified scale, which here is termed the Weyl-Scale.
 
This extended treatise on the quantum geometry of unification physics might have answered your query.
There is much more detail to be added and I shall clarify any issues.
 
John Shadow

Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [QuacksAnonymous] RE: [Theoretical_Physics] Cosmological Distance Measurements/Allan Francom


So...

Primarily "space" is simply on or about 'electro-magnetic' until we get sub-atomic...

All measurements of distance are electro-magnetic because there's no way we 'actually' measure it otherwise...

And it is the bonding of electrons around atoms that makes things interesting, and that's how electrons
participate in the effect of gravity...  and likely we don't have to worry about neutrino's giving a hoot
about gravity until/unless they interact ?

So, do all the other little inner doodads have a different notion of distance ?

And the macroscopic can be left completely EM ?

The "distance" problem is more directly or entirely related to non-electrons ?




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Subject: RE: [QuacksAnonymous] RE: [Theoretical_Physics] Cosmological Distance Measurements/Allan Francom


Okay, here is what has been bugging me:
------------ --------- --------- --------- --
You may see here, where the solution to the nonparity between matter and antimatter lies.
The Higgs Boson does not exist as an independent particle, as its existence would imply the existence of the AntiHiggs in an observed matter-antimatter symmetry.
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------


This is totally cool, I totally love it, and at least a few, and perhaps LARGE steps beyond what I've been thinking here.

In your follow up, you zeroed-in on the double-neutron, and double-anti- neutron, which to me is an odd choice starting from ( go all the way back to principles of electro-weak unification )

You'd think first there'd be "electron" in some similar mechanics as you are describing, and arrive into neutron / atom space a little later on down the line.

What am I missing about electrons-first ?

 
Simple; the electron is charge polarised, whilst the neutron is not.
So the Higgs derivative/precurso r must be charge-neutral and define a 'particle' which decays into opposite charges (charge positive of the proton with anticharge negative of the electron in the conventional labeling).
 
Btw, the 'Double-Lambda' would decay into a Neutron-pair with gamma photons or a proton-pair with negative pion meson pairings.
 
But the neutron as a particle is also just a label.
Remember that the dineutron is BOSONIC and MASSLESS (as a YLEM String-photon say) in my description. It is not the baryonic nucleon of the textbooks.
It is more of a SUPERSTRING; massless and of an energy 1000 trillion times greater than the neutros in your body. But its template BECOMES manifested in Higgs MassInduction AS a pair of neutrons, one righthanded and the other lefthanded.
It is precisely the mass induction which transforms the huge string energy down to the level of the nucleon physics (by a factor of so 10^13).
Only the lefthanded one partakes in the weak interaction; showing from first principles why the cosmic antimatter is suppressed in gauge coupling.
 
You should realise, that the weak interaction is the only fundamental interaction which occurred AFTER Inflation and is so THE fundamental interaction defining the nature of Inertia in the nature of the weakon gauges.; as well as the energy transductions from bosonic strings to fermionic 'particles'.
 
The weakons are massless as leptonic bosons (coupling electrons, muons and tauons to their antineutrinos for the Wminus's and also antineutrinos to each other [for the Zo's]) BUT become massive via the massless Higgs precursor (itself the 0-spin ancestor the RestMassPhoton or RMP(-1)) transforming the GRAVITA into the measured INERTIA (as the masses of the elementary particles).
 
John Shadow
 
 

 

FUTURE SHADOWS OF THE PAST

"A most wondrous thing the Shadow is, a redeemer in all to succour;
it can go where the light cannot abide, seemingly banished, it is not.
For where the light is, the darkness flees, no longer present to endure;
so to become illuminated is its destined journey and its troubled lot.

But without the light, no Shadow can be cast, its such a splendid key;
the dimensions reduce in space from three to two and all in just the one.
Betwixt the light and the darkness it is and part of both for all to see;
the Shadow of the body, does it not merge all in its rule under the sun?
 
Whatsoever can cast a Shadow, must be a most wondrous thing to relay;
as nature's very own offspring, the young ones grow towards their final goal.
Enabled to bring peace to so many things appearing apart and so far away;
the reconciliation for the suffering body with its spirit and its scattered soul."
 
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