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Re: [tied] The word for horse

piotr.gasiorowski@... wrote:
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Annew <annew@w...> wrote:
>
>> Are you sure that 'celer' isn't a horse word? Equuleus is a
> constellation identified with Celeris. "Some mythologists said that
> the constellation represented Celeris, the brother of Pegasus, given
> by Mercury to Castor; or Cyllarus, given to Pollux by Juno" [from
> 'Starnames', Their Lore and Meaning, Richard Hinchley Allen, 1889]
> 'Accelerate', to speed up, as in to win a race, is likely to be a
> horse action
>
> Well, <celer(is)> means 'swift, fast, fleet, lively' etc., and as such
> makes a good "wishing" name for a horse. This doesn't make it a horse
> word
>
>> If you were to accept that 'celer' is a horse word, would you accept
>> that it is related to 'cabalus'? [should be <caballus> -- PG]
>
> It can't be. How exactly would you relate them? Phonologically,
> <caballus> doesn't match <celer> in any way known to me. Semantically,
> the original meaning of <caballus> in Latin was 'pack horse, nag' --
> the very opposite of <celer>
>
> Piotr

Interesting here is that the Greek "keles" meant " horse to be riden"
but not " horse to work with".
In Latin we have some words which point for the word "cal" and not
"caballus":
celeres= corpus equestrum
calo = boy who took care of horses
The German word "Gaul"= old horse, or bad horse is given as with unknown
etymology too.

Question: which is the etymology of "caballus"? Why this "ba" there?
Wherefrom should derives this word?






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... From: <bugalowbil@...> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 5:49 PM Subject: [tied] The word for horse ... What do you mean...
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Piotr Gasiorowski wrote: The Thracian word for 'horse' seems to have been <esba-(s?)/ezba-> ... I am afraid I have to say something else about Thracian word,...
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... From: "alex_lycos" <altamix@...> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [tied] The word for horse ... ...
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... But even an amateur will ask how the PIE "k" remains conserved in most of the words which remained but in *ekwos- it became an "s". And I guess that being...
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... From: "alex_lycos" <altamix@...> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [tied] The word for horse ... And...
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... true Piotr....
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... From: "alex_lycos" <altamix@...> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [tied] The word for horse ... ...
Piotr Gasiorowski
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... *****GK: True. As luck would have it, the Iranic "horse word" seems to be present in the name of one of the attested Cimmerian kings, one TSEUSHPA or ...
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Feb 10, 2003
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... Celere:s =ältester Name der römischen Ritter, vergleiche Kreek "keles". take a look at "calo:" too ... scribere > scrie :-) I always wondered about this...
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... From: "alex_lycos" <altamix@...> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 6:37 AM Subject: Re: [tied] The word for horse ... Not...
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... Piotr, 'calator' is not a derivative from 'cal' but from "cale"= way .Cale= Latin 'callis' ( short /i/) I give you now the explications from DEX for...
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... From: "alex_lycos" <altamix@...> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [tied] The word for horse ... ...
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... I showed you words where is no rotacism of a simple "l" too. . Unfortunately, I am just an amator , I cannot show you the stem of *kel- in dacian and I...
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... From: "alex_lycos" <altamix@...> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [tied] The word for horse ... Did...
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... OK. Tell me where from could get the proto-romanians or the valahs the word "a cãli" ? DEX means that this one is from slavic "kaliti". What is your...
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... From: "alex_lycos" <altamix@...> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [tied] The word for horse ... I...
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... From: "Piotr Gasiorowski" <piotr.gasiorowski@...> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [tied] The...
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... From: "alex_lycos" <altamix@...> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [tied] The word for horse ... ...
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... Are you sure that 'celer' isn't a horse word? Equuleus is a constellation identified with Celeris. "Some mythologists said that the constellation...
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... constellation identified with Celeris. "Some mythologists said that the constellation represented Celeris, the brother of Pegasus, given by Mercury to...
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... Interesting here is that the Greek "keles" meant " horse to be riden" but not " horse to work with". In Latin we have some words which point for the word...
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At 3:26:10 PM on Tuesday, February 11, 2003, alex_lycos wrote: [...] ... That's <ca:lo:, ca:lo:nis> 'soldier's slave, drudge'. ... But MLG <gu:l> 'war horse',...
Brian M. Scott
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Feb 11, 2003
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... Not because of this I put the question. But let us take a look first at the word "kaliti" and its cognates: PIE *kal1= hard, to harden Slavic : kaliti ...
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... From: "alex_lycos" <altamix@...> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [tied] The word for horse ... ...
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... From: "alex_lycos" <altamix@...> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [tied] The word for horse ... ...
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... One hint if my information is not bad: Isidor, Codex of Wolfenbüttel, ed. Otto, pag. 377 "cavallus antea a cavo dictus" That will be very intersting if...
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... From: "alex_lycos" <altamix@...> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [tied] The word for horse ......
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... Piotr, you may laugh. I understand Italian and French and a bit from Spanish and Portuguese but I have trouble with Latin. I can understand the words but...
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... From: "alex_lycos" <altamix@...> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [tied] The word for horse ......
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