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Re: [tied] Re: Andere

It`s probably just a coincidence, but there is a Portuguese surname ANDRADA or ANDRADE.
 
Joao SL

alex <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
Joao S. Lopes wrote:
> Alexandra is just a later female form of Greek Alexandros, which is
> sometimes analised as from Hittite-like Alakhshandush.
>
> Kassandra is a Trojan name, and it`s a good choice. Greek names in
> -andros have usual female as -aneira (Leandros/Leaneira,
> Deiandros/Deianeira). I`d guess Kassandra < Kash-/Kish-/Kush-,
> Anatolian Moon-God.

"Andrada" is tracian feminine name. No idea what it could mean and it
begins with "andra-" in this case.
I wonder if Romanian "mândru/mândrã" (lover) has any connection here
or this is indeed a derivation from Slavic "mo~dru" which should have
meant "wise". I hope Czech "modru" here is not from Slavic "mo~drU"
since so far I remember this is an adjectiv and means "blue".

P.S. some people see Rom. noun "mândru" (lover) as a simply adaptation
of the adjective "mândru"= proud.

Alex



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Vennemann finds <andere> "woman" in both Basque and Old Irish; even Trask, that debunker ;-), agrees that it might be a loan. Kuhn finds a suffix <-andr-> in...
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Mar 16, 2004
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... even ... might ... Quite strange. How can it be explained in the light of Gk andr-, man or as it is used in the compound word androgyny 'male'? Loreto...
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Mar 17, 2004
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There is a Gaulish goddess Andraste or Andarte, isn't there? Joao SL ... Yahoo! Mail - O melhor e-mail do Brasil. Abra sua conta agora!...
Joao S. Lopes
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Mar 17, 2004
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... A British goddess Andrasta and a gaulish Andarta. The second name surely means "Great Bear" (intensive prefix and- + arto- "bear"). Andrasta is harder to...
CG
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Mar 17, 2004
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... "Intensive Bear"? "Surely"? ... Cassius ... dedicated ... Vennemann proposes Vasconic *andera-ast-a"victorious woman", or a Britannic compound based on...
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Mar 18, 2004
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Alexandra is just a later female form of Greek Alexandros, which is sometimes analised as from Hittite-like Alakhshandush. Kassandra is a Trojan name, and it`s...
Joao S. Lopes
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I wrote ... I forgot to add that some see Basque andere ("woman") as a loan from Celtic, as opposed to the various related Celtic words being derived from...
CG
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Mar 18, 2004
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... from ... derived ... ************ According to H. Krahe, root *and- is very much present also in Illyrian: And•et•ri•on/And•et•ri•um (place...
Abdullah Konushevci
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... to add that some see Basque andere ("woman") as a loan ... <ânde/ënde> 'flower' ... Hmm..yes, 'anthropos', 'humans' could be anyone of the ff. 1. A ...
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On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 20:06:26 +0000, CG <sonno3@...> ... The masculine equivalent of feminine Andere in the Aquitanian onomastic material seems to be...
Miguel Carrasquer
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Mar 24, 2004
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... To bother Greek-Basque associations again, how would Basque (h)andi and Spanish 'gigante' (English 'giant' from Gk 'gigantikos' or 'gigas') relate? Would...
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On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 04:54:22 +0000, loreto bagio ... Not. Basque handi (also haundi) comes from *and- plus adjectival suffix *-i. I'm pretty sure the root...
Miguel Carrasquer
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... andi ... Vennemann proposes a Proto-Vasconic *grandi > (h)andi was loaned into Romance (grand-) and Germanic (great, gross-). Now you've made an orphan out...
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On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:25:46 +0000, tgpedersen ... That's completely impossible. ... If you insist on a proto-Vasconic *grandi (> gara(d)i), Bq. garai means...
Miguel Carrasquer
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... into ... But, but! Vennemann has writen a long, fine article about it! Which part is impossible, the PVasc. > Basque or the PVasc. > Latin / Germanic? (btw...
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... structure ... is ... In case you've been following the "grave" discussion (Greek tumpho-, tapho-) in Austronesian, you will probably have noticed the ...
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Mar 29, 2004
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... loaned ... Which ... , ... IE?) ... pre- ... the ... Good Afternoon from Bilbao. Your conjecture is All rigth. We are sure that the --Euskeras language--...
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:58:19 +0000, tgpedersen ... PVasc > Basque. Vennemann, if I recall, argues that gr- becomes r- (elimination of initial clusters) and...
Miguel Carrasquer
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... loaned ... Which ... True, it's speculation on Vennemann's part. He is aware of Basque's way of dealing with loans, but ascribes it to a later period (I ...
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Mar 30, 2004
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... "Andrada" is tracian feminine name. No idea what it could mean and it begins with "andra-" in this case. I wonder if Romanian "mândru/mândrã" (lover)...
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It`s probably just a coincidence, but there is a Portuguese surname ANDRADA or ANDRADE. Joao SL alex <alxmoeller@...> wrote: ... "Andrada" is tracian...
Joao S. Lopes
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Mar 18, 2004
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... As Basque and(e)re means 'lady, madam', and apparently meant the same thing already in Aquitanian, it's history has nothing to do with the history of Greek...
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Mar 17, 2004
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... man ... same ... the ... from ... Vennemann explicitly distinguishes between reflexes of PIE *h2ne:r- and and Vasconic *andere-. But he's not adverse to...
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Interesting. But who were this Vasconic pre-Greek people? And *salam-, is there another examples of it as meaning water? Salamis/Salamina, maybe? Salmoneus,...
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... Salamis/Salamina, maybe? Salmoneus, Salmidessos? ... This is Vennemann's list ON so,l (< *salu) "sea" so,l (a kind of algae) So,lsi, So,lvi (names of...
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... man ... same ... the ... from ... Quite right, that is also what I see. I just would want to hear somebody second that. Surely it has nothing to do within...
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