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Re[2]: [tied] Slav names from *Walh-

At 5:23:24 PM on Wednesday, March 26, 2008, alexandru_mg3
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> ... and if you will go further Vallachia is finally linked
> with Walhalla - the great hall in Norse mythology where
> heroes slain in battle are received

> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/valhalla

The etymological information at that very site shows that
there's no connection.

Brian





Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:26 am

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I know the various Polish and Russian names from PGmc. *walh. "southern foreigner" in -lo-/-olo- probably follow ordinary rules of derivation from...
tgpedersen
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Mar 26, 2008
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Włochy "hairy, Italian" is a great coincidence. ... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a...
Rick McCallister
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Mar 26, 2008
5:41 pm

On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:03:19 -0000, "tgpedersen" ... Since Slavic did not distinguish between /o/ and /a/, that would be hard to tell. The /h/, however, shows...
Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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Mar 26, 2008
8:07 pm

... of ... Volcae)? ... ... and if you will go further Vallachia is finally linked with Walhalla - the great hall in Norse mythology where heroes slain in ...
alexandru_mg3
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Mar 26, 2008
9:23 pm

... rules ... forms ... Valhalla heavenly hall in which Odin receives the souls of heroes slain in battle, 1768, from O.N. Valhöll "hall of the battle-slain;"...
alexandru_mg3
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Mar 26, 2008
10:11 pm

... in ... conceal" ... Matasovic for Celtic Cognates "Proto-Indo-European: *welh2/3- 'wound' Proto-Celtic: *weli- 'blood' [Noun] Old Irish: fuil [i f] Middle...
alexandru_mg3
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Mar 26, 2008
10:18 pm

... not ... Celtic ... slain," ... syncope; ... kind ... Valfather: Odin as "father of the slain." Old Norse (ON) valr = "slaughter, corpses, those slain in...
alexandru_mg3
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Mar 26, 2008
10:29 pm

... <alexandru_mg3@> ... *walh. ... ordinary ... Slavic ... and ... with ... slain ... in ... first ... is ... < ... derived ... fall ... Darius; ... they ... ...
alexandru_mg3
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Mar 26, 2008
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... <alexandru_mg3@> ... slain ... sense ... tollo 'take' ... Valhalla ... (Gylf ... called ... the ... every ... a ... is ... and ... be ... himself, ... him ...
alexandru_mg3
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Mar 26, 2008
10:43 pm

Is there an etymology for Volcae itself? What would the proto-Celtic form have been? ...
Rick McCallister
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Mar 26, 2008
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This is what Wikipedia has to say re: etymology of Volcae, but I think all of you could come up with something better Traditional etymologies have attributed...
Rick McCallister
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... Catowolcus was leader of the Eburones, thus a Belgan. ... I wondered sometimes if there was lenition after all in some continental Celtic languages. That...
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Mar 27, 2008
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If you propose lenition for Belgic, then maybe, just maybe, Belgae and Volcae could be related to "folk" --although some try to link folk to populus. We once ...
Rick McCallister
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Mar 27, 2008
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At 5:23:24 PM on Wednesday, March 26, 2008, alexandru_mg3 ... The etymological information at that very site shows that there's no connection. Brian...
Brian M. Scott
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Mar 27, 2008
4:28 am

... Why? 1. If the root is *welh2- 'to wound' in Wal-[halla] 2. Why *wal-[h-] (< *Vlach] cannot have a meaning somewhere between 'deadly enemy' to...
alexandru_mg3
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... What do you mean by '*wal-[h-] (< *Vlach]'? That Germanic borrowed the word from Slavic with reverse metathesis? Torsten...
tgpedersen
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Mar 27, 2008
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... the ... Sorry: please read Germanic *wal-[h-] (> Slavic Vlach-] I put < by mistake Marius...
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Mar 27, 2008
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At 2:51:01 PM on Thursday, March 27, 2008, alexandru_mg3 ... [...] ... Because PGmc. *walxa- isn't plausibly to be derived from PIE *welh2-. Brian...
Brian M. Scott
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Brian, the quotation is suggestive of your point but not decisive for me. Patrick ... From: "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...> To: "Patrick Ryan"...
Patrick Ryan
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Mar 28, 2008
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Marius, get yourself a copy of Pokorny. *wa(:)l- means 'strong', as in 'valiant'. Patrick ... From: "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...> To:...
Patrick Ryan
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Mar 27, 2008
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... I hope that you will not suggest this for Walhalla meaning Please clarify your point. Marius...
alexandru_mg3
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Mar 27, 2008
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Of course I do. 'hall of the strong' Patrick ... From: "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008...
Patrick Ryan
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Mar 27, 2008
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... Patrick, the Germanic *walaz is well attested in the daughter languages http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/IE566.html What are the germanic *wal- words that...
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... From: "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [tied] Slav names from...
Patrick Ryan
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... [...] ... [...] ... ON <valr> 'the slain'; OE <wæl> 'slaughter, carnage; field of battle; dead bodies'. ON <valkyrja>, OE <wælcyrie> 'chooser of the...
Brian M. Scott
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