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Fwd: Re: [tied] Re: That old Ariovistus scenario.   Message List  
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--- On Sun, 7/5/09, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

Scholar, not scholars. Boosen.
GK: He cites others.
Erh, OK.
(GK) So that whatever changes are noted in the Oder/Warthe and other regions in
the 1rst c. BCE are changes due to internal dynamics
(and afterwards with interaction with the Romans), not to cultural
or other influxes from the east.

The interesting part is that the provenance of these new elements
are not discussed at all.

GK: Well you picked the source. Find a better one. Surely there
are archaeological publications which comment on the identity and
provenance of these inventories at least broadly "local" vs. "imports". The
ball's in your court here.

I haven't seen any. Do you feel up to the task of discussing the provenance of
those particular grave goods which should or shouldn't be there?

****GK:Have a look at V. Mordvinceva's "Sarmatian Phalerae" It's a publication
of the Deutsches Archeologisches Institut, Eurasien-Abteilung (around 2001?==
particulars available on line. Check "Sarmatian phalerae".) I haven't looked at
this, but it should give a pretty goods idea of one item to expect in a
Sarmatian grave. Of course, cremation burials can be crossed out immediately.
Other things to be checked: body position; weapons; ceramics; jewellery.*****



































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... Erh, OK. ... I haven't seen any. Do you feel up to the task of discussing the provenance of those particular grave goods which should or shouldn't be...
tgpedersen
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Jul 5, 2009
10:06 am

... Scholar, not scholars. Boosen. GK: He cites others. Erh, OK. (GK) So that whatever changes are noted in the Oder/Warthe and other regions in the 1rst c....
george knysh
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Jul 5, 2009
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... Thanks. Just ordered it. A Snorri qoute to make you happy: http://omacl.org/Heimskringla/ynglinga.html '8. ODIN'S LAWGIVING. Odin established the same law...
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... A Snorri qoute to make you happy: http://omacl. org/Heimskringla /ynglinga. html '8. ODIN'S LAWGIVING. Odin established the same law in his land that had...
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... http://omacl.org/Heimskringla/ynglinga.html 5. '... Now when Odin heard that things were in a prosperous condition in the land to the east beside Gylve; he...
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... ****GK: Cut for economy, since none of this has any relevance to the fact that Swedish kings were cremated at Old Uppsala in the 6th century. According to...
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Jul 6, 2009
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... The answer is that you are talking through your hat. http://tinyurl.com/kqsscf ... Nor that it is done over a cremation. ... That remains to be seen. The...
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Jul 7, 2009
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... ****GK: (From James Burnham): "An ideologue--one who thinks ideologically- can't lose. He can't lose because his answer, his interpretation and his...
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Jul 7, 2009
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... BTW, did the "Yas" earlier the 13th century to the same Yazyg nation (or tribal group)? I mean the Yas population that, prior to the Mongolian invasion,...
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Jul 7, 2009
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... ****GK: I stand to be corrected on this, but my impression is that the classical Yazygi had been assimilated by the end of the 5th c. The Yazygi groups...
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... Is your false claim that Scandinavia used cremation exclusively an argument, an observations or an experiment? I disabuse you of your ignorance of funeral...
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Jul 8, 2009
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... BTW the Götar/Svear rivalry continues, in other forms, in Sweden http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6taland_theory The article is a good example of the...
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Jul 8, 2009
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... ****GK: I point out that you have misinterpreted your idol on a particular point, and you go berserk with irrelevant citations and incongruous as well as...
gknysh
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Jul 8, 2009
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... That would have been that Snorri did not specifically say that burials in mounds were inhumations? But archaeology shows they could be. ... In ...
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... the presence if inhumation is a prerequisite for Yasig presence ****GK: Indeed. But that is only one characteristic. Others are: the grave shape; the body...
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Jul 9, 2009
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... Of course. But actually that raises an interesting principal question: Whatt does one do in the case of a partial match. Torsten...
tgpedersen
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... Yasig presence GK: Indeed. But that is only one characteristic. Others are: the grave shape; the body position and orientation; the funeral inventory...
george knysh
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... Doligocephality? http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/12962 cf. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/12960 and ...
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