... not the first syllable of either *bhóros or *bhorós, but rather the suffixal *o of the first alternative *bhóros as opposed to the suffixal *o of the...
... Note that any accent in which (unlike RP but like most varieties of US English) <library> has a full second vowel, "liberry" can't be due to syncopation...
At 11:20:25 AM on Saturday, April 1, 2006, Piotr Gasiorowski wrote: [...] ... So common, in fact, that many of my students normally spell the word <suprise>. ...
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Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote: The vocalisation has nothing to do directly with the developments of the thematic vowel. I mentioned it only...
... sonorant, is this purely Jens Rasmussen's idea? (It seems quite brilliant, by the way). Thank you, Andrew. Yes, this has been entirely my own idea as long ...
As many listmembers know, I have been skeptical of Rasmussen's proposed *O-prefix/infix as a way of explaining PIE root-*o vocalism. I would argue that there...
... sonorant, is this purely Jens Rasmussen's idea? (It seems quite brilliant, by the way) Well, Jens has already replied himself. ... That's definitely...
... Most evidence is indecisive either way, since initial *h2w- and *w- merge almost everywhere. Greek can't be used as evidence if it's the Greek development...
... What ... Sorry, Piotr. With all my respect to Jens, beacuse is a great idea: But is not yet convincing: Jens needs to clear stipulate on what particular...
Greetings, everyone. After lurking for a while, I've decided to come out of my "slumber" after reading the messages in this new thread. This subject is one ...
... The nature of these suffixes is such that they often "attract" the stress along with the usual quantitative ablaut. What this seems to imply is that these...
... How so? It seems quite clear that it is *-e-h2. Cf. collectives like *wekWo:s which could be analyzed as *wekWosh2 > *wekWo:s for instance (and there is...
... I agree here, and would like to add that the contrastive accent may be partially attributable to prosodic factors. ... Regrettably, I cannot agree with...
... accidentally" > beginns with an *-e-. With all due respect, I'm not sure just how confidently forms like *wekWo:s < *wekWosx can be reconstructed....
... Which is obviuosly secondary and easily explained as such. ... Cf. -a:ni in yuga:ni. The -i is the same and the anusva:ra is the -n- from this -ni. Thus...
... Don't worry, Jens: this is the "normal" scientific trend: 1. there are only fews that can generate new ideas. 2. there are only fews that can understand...
... How is it *obviously* secondary? I'd like to hear your rationale, please. ... Where does the -n-/anusva:ra come from, though? ... the *-e- in *-eh2 is not...
... Was it any different from the inanimate genitive? And how and why was the vowel of the genitive ending reanalysed as a stem-final element? ... This looks...
... Phonological. Roughly, *-n- after oral stops and non-vocalised laryngeals, *-t- elsewhere (Olsen), but I think this condition should be somehow revised,...
... It was unaccented, perhaps qualitatively reduced to some kind of schwa, but not yet lost completely. *per-tó- ([p&r-tó-]?) --> *pér-to- > *pér-tu-. ......
I am scheptical about the idea that IE originally had only one wovel. For example: Why propose that all -u is the reduction or an -ew and all -i the reduction...
... IMO, *ei and *eu are the result of stressing *i and *u, rather than *i and *u being the zero-grade of *ei and *eu. But that's just me. ... I think there...
... However many vowels you give it, it is extremely odd as a language, in that it seems to use only e (or o in relatively predictable situations) for full ...
... This is true of derivational affixes, but not necessarily of roots, where I believe fundamental *a was also a possibility, not to mention primary *i and *u...
... I don't make the stronger claim ("PIE had no primary high vowels"). On the other hand, it is rather obvious that many instances of *i and *u are secondary,...
... Well, the pattern like *nebHos ~ *nebHo:s looks irregular. Thus, it is not at all strange that we find the secondary *nebHeseh2 etc. everywhere. However,...
... more sense. ... language, in that ... for full ... I think so too, I've proposed it myself. Pre-PIE had the vowels **i, u, r, l, m, n, ... in ... How...
full vowels i, u, a, ... The problem with deriving *i > *ey, *u > *ou etc instead of the traditional plot is that one will have to claim also *i > *ye, *u > ...
... I put the word "animate" in parentheses because I'm not yet sure about the veracity of reconstructed forms like *nméns 'name (gen. sg.)'. If such forms...
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